The Acura Key Fob We`ve all been waiting for!
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So i`m doinging my Euro R conversion and looking for a new Honda FOB key when I stumbled over this on Ebay:Germany.
Its a UNIVERSAL VW/AUDI style key fob!!!!!!!
AMAZING what germans can do! I wonder if it works on my TSX?
For all you electrical engineers here are the specs. Its all in German?
Modell MS-312
Markteinführung Februar 2004
UVP ca. 119,- EURO
Betriebsspannung 12 Volt
Stromverbrauch 8 mA
Handsender Frequenz 433,9 MHz
Hanssender Reichweite über 70 Meter
Here is the list of cars it works on (the HONDA ACCORD is listed as one) YES!
"RHINO Funkfernbedienungen und Alarmanlagen sind für folgende Fahrzeuge unter anderem bestens geeignet:
AC Cobra
Alfa Romeo 145, 146, 147, 155, 156, 164, 166, 33, 75, 90, Alfasud, Alfetta, Giulietta, GTV Spider, RZ
Audi 100, 200, 50, 80, 90, A2, A3, A4, A6, A8, Allroad, Cabriolet, Coupe, Quatro, RS, S2, S3, S4, S6, S8, TT, V8
Bentley
BMW 315, 316, 318, 320, 323, 324, 325, 328, 330, 518, 520, 523, 524, 525, 528, 530, 535, 540, 628, 633, 635, 725, 728, 730, 732, 735, 740, 745, 750, 760, 840, 850, B7, M1, M3, M5, X5, Z1, Z3, Z4, Z8
Buick,
Cadillac,
Chevrolet,
Chrysler Viper, Voyager
Citroen AX, Belingo, BX, CX, Evansion, Saxo, Xantia, XM, Xsara, ZX,
Daewoo,
Daihatsu
Fiat 124 Coupe, Spider, 126, 127, 130, 131, 242, 500, Barchetta, Brava, Bravo, Campagniola, Cinquecento, Croma, Dino, Doblo, Ducato, Duna, Fiorino, Marena, Marengo, Maxi, Multipla, Palio, Panda, Penny, Punto
Ford Cougar, Escort, Explorer, Fiesta, Focus, Galaxy, Ka, Maverick, Mondeo, Mustang, Probe, Puma, Scorpio, Scorpio, Transit
GMC
Honda Accord, Civic, Concerto, CR-V, NSX, Shuttle, Legend, PreludeHummer
Hyundai Isuzu,
Jaguar Daimler, XJ6, XJ40 V12 , XJS V12,
Jeep Cherokee, CJ5, CJ7, CJ8, Grand Cherokee, Renegade, Willy, Wrangler
Kia, Lada Niva, Nova, Samara, carnival
Lancia Delta, Kappa, Prisma, Thema, Zeta, Beta, Startos, Zeta, Gamma
Land Rover Landrover, Defender,Discovery, Freelander, Range Rover, Rangerover
Mazda 121, 323, MX5, MX6, 626, Demio, MPV, MX3, RX7, Xedos
Mercedes Benz, A-Klasse, C-Klasse, E-Klasse, Transporter, Vito, SLK, SL55, SL500, SL300, A140, A160, A170, A190, Actros, Atego, C180, C200, C220, C230, C240, C250, C270, C280, C32 AMG, C320, C36 AMG, C43 AMG, CE200, CE300, CL, CLK, CLK 55 AMG, E200, E220, E230, E240, E250, E260, E270, E280, E290, E300, E320, E36 AMG, E420, E430, E50, E500, E55, LKW, MB100, ML230, ML270, ML320, ML350, ML400, ML430, ML500, ML55 AMG, S280, S300, S320, S350, S400, S420, S430, S500, S55, S560, S600, SL280, SL300, SL320, SL350, SL380, SL420, SL450, SL500, SL55 AMG, SL560, SL600, SLK230, SLK32 AMG, SLK320, SLR, Sprinter, V220, Vario, Vita, 190, 200, 220
Mini Cooper
Mitsubishi 3000GT, Colt, Lancer, Eclipse, Galant, L200, Pajero, Sigma, Space Gear, Space Runner, Space Wagon, Carisma, Galloper,
Nissan 100NX, 200SX, 300SX, Almera, Micra, Maxima, Serena, Patrol, Primera, Silvia, Terrano II,
Opel Agila, Frontera, Monterey, Monza, Omega, Senator, Corsa, Astra, Vectra, Omega, Calibra, Kadett, Sintra, Tigra
Peugeot 106,806,206,306,405,406,205..
Porsche 911, 944, 968, Boxster,Proton,
Renault Alpine, V6, Avantime, Clio, Espace, Express, Fuego, Grand Espace, Kangoo, Laguna, Mascott, Master, Megane, P1400, R11, R14, R18, R19, R20, R21, R25, R30, R4, R5, R6, R9, Rapid, Safrane, Scenic, Spider, Super 5, Trafic, Twingo, Vel Satis
Seat Ibiza, Toledo, Cordoba, Alhambra, Arosa
Skoda Felica, Oktavia, Fabia
Subaru Justy, Forester
Suzuki Baleno, Swift, Vitara
Toyota Avensis, Carina, Corolla, Celica, Land Cruiser, Rav4, Picnic, Previa, MR2, Paseo
VW Polo, Golf 1, 2, 3, 4, Sharan, Jetta, Passat, Polo, Lupo, Corrado, Käfer, Beetle, Bora, T1 T2 T3 T4 T5, Scirocco, Vento
Volvo C70, S70, V70, S80"
We all know the CL9 TSX is really a CL9 Accord in Germany. I hope it works,I would order one, and its only 75 Euro!!!!!!!
More info? do a google search for Rhino MS-312
There are other models too, try MS-211A
![](http://www.auto-alarm-anlagen.de/images/ebay/ms-312/rhino-ms-312.jpg)
Its a UNIVERSAL VW/AUDI style key fob!!!!!!!
AMAZING what germans can do! I wonder if it works on my TSX?
![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
For all you electrical engineers here are the specs. Its all in German?
Modell MS-312
Markteinführung Februar 2004
UVP ca. 119,- EURO
Betriebsspannung 12 Volt
Stromverbrauch 8 mA
Handsender Frequenz 433,9 MHz
Hanssender Reichweite über 70 Meter
Here is the list of cars it works on (the HONDA ACCORD is listed as one) YES!
![Wish](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/wish.gif)
"RHINO Funkfernbedienungen und Alarmanlagen sind für folgende Fahrzeuge unter anderem bestens geeignet:
AC Cobra
Alfa Romeo 145, 146, 147, 155, 156, 164, 166, 33, 75, 90, Alfasud, Alfetta, Giulietta, GTV Spider, RZ
Audi 100, 200, 50, 80, 90, A2, A3, A4, A6, A8, Allroad, Cabriolet, Coupe, Quatro, RS, S2, S3, S4, S6, S8, TT, V8
Bentley
BMW 315, 316, 318, 320, 323, 324, 325, 328, 330, 518, 520, 523, 524, 525, 528, 530, 535, 540, 628, 633, 635, 725, 728, 730, 732, 735, 740, 745, 750, 760, 840, 850, B7, M1, M3, M5, X5, Z1, Z3, Z4, Z8
Buick,
Cadillac,
Chevrolet,
Chrysler Viper, Voyager
Citroen AX, Belingo, BX, CX, Evansion, Saxo, Xantia, XM, Xsara, ZX,
Daewoo,
Daihatsu
Fiat 124 Coupe, Spider, 126, 127, 130, 131, 242, 500, Barchetta, Brava, Bravo, Campagniola, Cinquecento, Croma, Dino, Doblo, Ducato, Duna, Fiorino, Marena, Marengo, Maxi, Multipla, Palio, Panda, Penny, Punto
Ford Cougar, Escort, Explorer, Fiesta, Focus, Galaxy, Ka, Maverick, Mondeo, Mustang, Probe, Puma, Scorpio, Scorpio, Transit
GMC
Honda Accord, Civic, Concerto, CR-V, NSX, Shuttle, Legend, PreludeHummer
Hyundai Isuzu,
Jaguar Daimler, XJ6, XJ40 V12 , XJS V12,
Jeep Cherokee, CJ5, CJ7, CJ8, Grand Cherokee, Renegade, Willy, Wrangler
Kia, Lada Niva, Nova, Samara, carnival
Lancia Delta, Kappa, Prisma, Thema, Zeta, Beta, Startos, Zeta, Gamma
Land Rover Landrover, Defender,Discovery, Freelander, Range Rover, Rangerover
Mazda 121, 323, MX5, MX6, 626, Demio, MPV, MX3, RX7, Xedos
Mercedes Benz, A-Klasse, C-Klasse, E-Klasse, Transporter, Vito, SLK, SL55, SL500, SL300, A140, A160, A170, A190, Actros, Atego, C180, C200, C220, C230, C240, C250, C270, C280, C32 AMG, C320, C36 AMG, C43 AMG, CE200, CE300, CL, CLK, CLK 55 AMG, E200, E220, E230, E240, E250, E260, E270, E280, E290, E300, E320, E36 AMG, E420, E430, E50, E500, E55, LKW, MB100, ML230, ML270, ML320, ML350, ML400, ML430, ML500, ML55 AMG, S280, S300, S320, S350, S400, S420, S430, S500, S55, S560, S600, SL280, SL300, SL320, SL350, SL380, SL420, SL450, SL500, SL55 AMG, SL560, SL600, SLK230, SLK32 AMG, SLK320, SLR, Sprinter, V220, Vario, Vita, 190, 200, 220
Mini Cooper
Mitsubishi 3000GT, Colt, Lancer, Eclipse, Galant, L200, Pajero, Sigma, Space Gear, Space Runner, Space Wagon, Carisma, Galloper,
Nissan 100NX, 200SX, 300SX, Almera, Micra, Maxima, Serena, Patrol, Primera, Silvia, Terrano II,
Opel Agila, Frontera, Monterey, Monza, Omega, Senator, Corsa, Astra, Vectra, Omega, Calibra, Kadett, Sintra, Tigra
Peugeot 106,806,206,306,405,406,205..
Porsche 911, 944, 968, Boxster,Proton,
Renault Alpine, V6, Avantime, Clio, Espace, Express, Fuego, Grand Espace, Kangoo, Laguna, Mascott, Master, Megane, P1400, R11, R14, R18, R19, R20, R21, R25, R30, R4, R5, R6, R9, Rapid, Safrane, Scenic, Spider, Super 5, Trafic, Twingo, Vel Satis
Seat Ibiza, Toledo, Cordoba, Alhambra, Arosa
Skoda Felica, Oktavia, Fabia
Subaru Justy, Forester
Suzuki Baleno, Swift, Vitara
Toyota Avensis, Carina, Corolla, Celica, Land Cruiser, Rav4, Picnic, Previa, MR2, Paseo
VW Polo, Golf 1, 2, 3, 4, Sharan, Jetta, Passat, Polo, Lupo, Corrado, Käfer, Beetle, Bora, T1 T2 T3 T4 T5, Scirocco, Vento
Volvo C70, S70, V70, S80"
We all know the CL9 TSX is really a CL9 Accord in Germany. I hope it works,I would order one, and its only 75 Euro!!!!!!!
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More info? do a google search for Rhino MS-312
There are other models too, try MS-211A
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It won't work for our cars. You have to have the key cut at a Honda/Acura dealer. The key cutters used for Hondas are not laser driven as the ones for MBs and Audis are. You actually have to order replacement keys in from Germany. They aren't on demand as our keys are. The immobilizer chips are also of a different design in European makes, which makes the programming process different than our cars (or nearly impossible). In other words, you can buy the key for fun, just don't expect to get it to work in your Honda.
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Kurt, since it lists Hondas, I am going out on a limb and saying that if the EU Hondas have Immobilizers (and I don't know that they do) then the same chip is used in the Hondas.
If a different chip is used, I still have an idea... do they sell an aftermarket immobilizer that works off of this key? If they do, and you can get one, you can get one of those to trigger a remote start immobilizer bypass, still retain the same level of security as a remote start installation, and make it work.
If a different chip is used, I still have an idea... do they sell an aftermarket immobilizer that works off of this key? If they do, and you can get one, you can get one of those to trigger a remote start immobilizer bypass, still retain the same level of security as a remote start installation, and make it work.
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Originally Posted by kurt_bradley
The key cutters used for Hondas are not laser driven as the ones for MBs and Audis are. You actually have to order replacement keys in from Germany. They aren't on demand as our keys are. The immobilizer chips are also of a different design in European makes, which makes the programming process different than our cars (or nearly impossible). In other words, you can buy the key for fun, just don't expect to get it to work in your Honda.
Actually the keys for the 04+ Civic (and probably the Accord) are all laser cut.....
but I think I would be more concerned with the radio frequency... probably different due to FCC standards....
As far as the immobilizer chip goes, I think it probably has one built in since it claims to support all those different cars....
a side question, what kinda 'chip' do they use for the newer keys? I know the older 'chip' is simply a resistor with a certain specific resistance
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
My all time favorite key/remote for any vehicle is MB SmartKey, hands down.
However, Acura's system on the RL takes the cake (and probably any Smart Access system). It's so cool to simply walk up to the car and just open the door, and turn the starter knob. What's even better is walking away from the car and not having to do anything...you want to go make sure it locked, but if you get too close again, it unlocks
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You can choose the type of Key comes out of the switchblade. It is the A8 (Honda/Acura key) from Rhino. It is a complete replacement to the stock security system for 75 Euro you get 2 controlers and all the hardware (brain,wire harness, sensors and horn). I think its a good deal.
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Originally Posted by supraken
ACtually, Jeff, if you're going to do a EuroR conversion, you might as well go with the smart acess system conversion...... ![Big Grin](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Well, here's a stupid idea I just came up with.
What if you could make a rectangular enclosure (such as the one above) and have our TSX key fitted with some clever mechanism that will allow the key to pop in-n-out. This should take care of the immobilizer.
Getting the transponder function should be a piece of cake then, right?
What if you could make a rectangular enclosure (such as the one above) and have our TSX key fitted with some clever mechanism that will allow the key to pop in-n-out. This should take care of the immobilizer.
Getting the transponder function should be a piece of cake then, right?
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well...................... Lets leave it to the Germans. Actually i believe the transponder chip is inside the Acura part of the key. Its gonna have to be one huge retagular enclosure. And also dont forget about the remote functions.
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Originally Posted by jeffreytchui
well...................... Lets leave it to the Germans. Actually i believe the transponder chip is inside the Acura part of the key. Its gonna have to be one huge retagular enclosure. And also dont forget about the remote functions.
My assumption is that as long as the car can detect the key (not key-fob), then the immobilizer will be disabled.
Anyway, if the key can rotate out (e.g., MB key fobs) then the enclosure would not need to be much larger than the dimensions of the key.
I know the crappy Acura key-fob issue has been debated ad nauseum in this forum, but I just can't stand seeing my scratched up keyfob.
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Is it true there's a chip on the key? I was told I couldn't make copies of the key. I can only order a new replacement through acura. If I use a copied key without the chip, the car won't start. Is that true????
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Originally Posted by rivvin
Is it true there's a chip on the key? I was told I couldn't make copies of the key. I can only order a new replacement through acura. If I use a copied key without the chip, the car won't start. Is that true????
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but I don't understand why Honda accords would get a key and key fob in one but none of the acuras do????? what's missing?
I'm really about to write to honda and find out why? It just doesn't make any sense why their lower model cars would get the nicer key.
I'm really about to write to honda and find out why? It just doesn't make any sense why their lower model cars would get the nicer key.
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that's still kind of dumb and ironic that the TSX is a Euro Accord but we don't have European "VW, Audi, and Mercedes" type fobs, but that they have fobs on the US Accords.
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that's still kind of dumb and ironic that the TSX is a Euro Accord but we don't have European "VW, Audi, and Mercedes" type fobs, but that they have fobs on the US Accords.
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Ahhhh. I miss my old VW key fob. It was great. Switchblade design is awesome. I wish they did a better job with the paint on the buttons. After about two years, it wears off, but I believe Audi has already fixed that.
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OK, maybe it looks cool, but I just switched from a Passat to a TSX and I like the TSX key + separate fob a lot better than the thick "switchblade" VW/Audi design. And.. after 6 years the VW battery section started to separate from the part that holds the key. I had to Scotch tape the thing back together.
Cool isn't always fuctional.
Cool isn't always fuctional.
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Originally Posted by JTso
Personally, I don't care for that clunky switchblade keyfob at all. I'd much prefer something like this...
![](http://www.designenergy.com/jtso/Images/key.jpg)
![](http://www.designenergy.com/jtso/Images/key.jpg)
check out this thread:
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117050
apparently, the accord key fob works with TL... so im sure it'll work with TSX.