Bananaairsoft

Got this from someone on the Legacysti.com fourm


" Did some digging:

"As mentioned on acura-cl.com

At work today I was talking with our scheduling guy and he just got a work request in for some turbo development for a 2.2L Honda engine! The work is for our group in Japan but the engine is a gasoline engine intended for a MY 2006 Honda vehicle. Acura or Honda we couldn't decide, but my guess is an Accord? Perhaps they are downsizing the base 2.4L engine to a 2.2L and turbocharging it for the same if not more power, plus a lighter and more fuel efficient package? Apparently testing is going to be done in Japan until it is ready for its America unveiling, which is usually the case... All I know is it's a ball-bearing unit. Anyway I thought this was interesting considering the recent talk about Honda going hybrid or turbo or AWD... looks like they are already working on turbo powered engines!"

and

"JDM Honda Accord (TSX) with K22A (2.2L) turbo with AWD (not sure if it's the same SH-AWD system on the new RL), producing 250HP (no Tq figures yet).
Honda plans to unveil this sometime in 05 to compete against the popular segment currently dominated by the Subaru WRX and Mitsu LanEvo.
The pic on the mag is the Accord Euro R with hood scoop and rear spoiler similar to that of the JDM Integra Type R."

So first of all, it'll be at least 18 months until we see this car in production form probably. Second of all, all I'm going to say is that the speculation when the S2000 was being developed was all aluminum body, 2400lb, 280hp. It turned out to be all steel body (except hood), 2800lb and 240hp. (Still bought one anyways! ) All I'm saying is don't make a buying decision based on rumors - you'll be waiting forever to buy a car.

And yes, if a turbo AWD TSX were available, I would definitely consider buying one. "

Is this right?
Very unlikely~!

Dan Martin

This topic keeps coming up but there's nothing firm yet. Something's in the works but The Oracle has been quiet about it. We'll see SH-AWD in the TL before the TSX for sure.

crimson002

Justinjsw, any news regarding 05 TL or TSX? I know you probably have something juicey to say!

rb1

This seems odd. I don't think ball-bearing turbos have anywhere near the lifespan of oil-bearing turbos and are usually used by the power-hounds. Especially since it's Honda we're talking about here, I'd think an oil-bearing turbo would be the more conservative choice.

dabuda

seems like we'll see these in this order:

- TL AWD
- RL AWD
- TSX AWD?

cant wait

dzuy

turbo honda?!?

i'll believe it when i see it. honda is reknowned for their environment friendly, efficient vehicles. they don't even have a turbo car out now. it's ironic that honda does have a turbo in a water ski though haha.

awd? i doubt that too. they won't even make the tl a rear wheel drive. honda is oftened been criticezed for underpowering and restrraining the majority of their cars to front wheel drive.

nsx - only a v6 for 90 grand? it handles like a king, but where's the v8 to match that exotic body?

s2000 - torqueless best

oh well, i hope they do release a turbo. that would be so sweet

iamhomin

I agree that the s2k is torqueless, and that the NSX's engine is definitely not 90k material, but since the SH-AWD was introduced, why WOULDN'T they use it on the other models?

Seems logical to do so..

Dan Martin

I could care less if the NSX has a V6. 500hp is 500hp.

dom

Nope,

- RL AWD (Already announced for MY 05)
- TL AWD (MY 06?)
- TSX AWD Turbo or with more HP (MY 06?)

dom

Are you aware that a SH-AWD RL has already been shown and will be released this fall as an 05?

The same AWD system has also been put into the Honda Inspire in Japan which is our North American Accord which is the basis for the TL and TSX (to a lesser degree) which means this new SH-AWD system thats in the new RL can be fitted to the TL and potentially even the TSX.

dzuy

yup. the rl is going to get awd, but then again look at how much it costs. so since the tsx is already 27k, imagine how much a awd tsx would be. might as well get a sti, for ~30k

fdl

iamhomin

You "might as well get a sti"? For what reasons? Because the Sti will have "greater power!"?

biker

TL and TSX share very little other than the Acura badge.

dom

They practically share platforms.

kurt_bradley

Actually, the TL and the USDM Accord share the lines of platform basis, but that's about it. The TSX uses the JDM and Euro-Market Accord chassis (the CL7). On the TL and Accord for the states, the term of "platform sharing" really only means that about 20% of the underpinnings are shared. The frame is longer, wider, and taller on the TL over the USDM Accord. The TL is the UA6 chassis. This would make it a little difficult to just transplant an SH-AWD system into a TSX. Just because we have it in another chassis, doesn't mean that it's going to be a swap for assembly. On a further note, the new RL chassis is going to be an all-new platform. Good luck seeing Honda share a Japanese platform with any North American-devoted chassis. Especially when it comes to driveline components.

dzuy

yea. is that hard to fathom? the sti comes with turbo, high flow exhaust, brembo brakes, and a myriad of performance parts thaqt the tsx lacks. an awd drive tsx would most likely bump the price to 30k, and an sti is 30k, but it has 100 more hp and almost twice the amont of torque.

so unless honda could make the cl7 platform have more power and awd for a competitive price, it would be more logical to buy the sti if you wanted a high performance car, wouldn't it?

that's one the great draws of the tsx, it's priced competitvely in respect to it's aimed competition, the is300, for example. the tsx is a well balanced car, with luxury and sportiness intertwined.

but a person looking for a higher performance car, with awd and turbo, more power etc etc...they would consider the evo and sti, both priced around the same. so honda would have a hard time creating a vehicle in the performance class. and if you disagree, that's cool...after all, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Dan Martin

I really don't think that Acura is going after the STi market. STi is the typical big engine in an economy car formula. It is so far removed from luxury that it's not even funny.

A high performance AWD turbo TSX is a great concept because it would offer most of the performance of the STi but in a package that you won't be embarrassed to take clients out in.

leftride

iTrader: (1)

you dont think business men are impressed with the 2ft spoiler?

dzuy

i agree. i'm just making a point that the higher performance market has a different set of competetors...it would be nice.

i've seen pics of the 2.4l turbo tsx around. we'll see.

CGTSX2004

iTrader: (1)

Personally, I think that a turbo-AWD TSX would be a solid competitor to the VW R32. Otherwise, there aren't really any other competitors with the same level of luxury and performance at the $30k price point.

heyitsme

Awd/turbo/250hp would push it to the top of the entry-level sport sedan pack at 30k, but I don't really expect it.