2004.5 Tsx?
12-12-2003, 10:02 AM
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2004.5 Tsx?
Considering the long time between the time the TSX came out and when the 2005 will come out I wonder if Honda will sneak in enough changes during the model run to have folks start calling their car a 2004.5.
I mean Nissan did with the G35. You see folks refering to their car as a 2003.5 because half way though the model run (long like the TSX) Nissan made a number of subtle changes (like badge on the rear of the car) to easily tell the difference between a 2003 and 2003.5. I assume there is no change in the VIN to tell the difference. I was just wondering if Honda might pull something similar.
I mean Nissan did with the G35. You see folks refering to their car as a 2003.5 because half way though the model run (long like the TSX) Nissan made a number of subtle changes (like badge on the rear of the car) to easily tell the difference between a 2003 and 2003.5. I assume there is no change in the VIN to tell the difference. I was just wondering if Honda might pull something similar.
12-12-2003, 03:42 PM
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all i got to say is they better not come out with a TYPE S with 240 hp or somthing.
if that happens im personally going to acura headquarters and strangling the shit out of someone.
if that happens im personally going to acura headquarters and strangling the shit out of someone.
12-12-2003, 07:02 PM
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The Accord didn't get a change 04, neither will the TSX.
In fact, no Honda that I can recall ever had much of a change in less then a year. Maybe an extra switch or something but styling will be the same for at least the next 2 years.
In fact, no Honda that I can recall ever had much of a change in less then a year. Maybe an extra switch or something but styling will be the same for at least the next 2 years.
12-12-2003, 07:06 PM
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I wouldn't be shocked if Acura added Satellite Radio sometime soon. Honda has invested big in XM and would really like to sign up drivers.
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12-12-2003, 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by MrChad
The Accord didn't get a change 04, neither will the TSX.
In fact, no Honda that I can recall ever had much of a change in less then a year. Maybe an extra switch or something but styling will be the same for at least the next 2 years.
The Accord didn't get a change 04, neither will the TSX.
In fact, no Honda that I can recall ever had much of a change in less then a year. Maybe an extra switch or something but styling will be the same for at least the next 2 years.
Had alot of options that were not available on any other accord.
12-13-2003, 09:51 AM
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I am praying for this satellite addition to the TSX. And if you have the navigation system, it is really nice if you get the Satellite radio. For the 2004 Honda Accords with Navigation and Satellite Radio, the satellite radio feature has been integrated into the huge navigation screen itself. It is not a separate component. The people who have 2004 Honda Accords with both ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT according to the comments on Edmunds.com.
I am praying for this satellite addition to the TSX. And if you have the navigation system, it is really nice if you get the Satellite radio. For the 2004 Honda Accords with Navigation and Satellite Radio, the satellite radio feature has been integrated into the huge navigation screen itself. It is not a separate component. The people who have 2004 Honda Accords with both ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT according to the comments on Edmunds.com.
12-13-2003, 10:17 AM
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Reasons why the TSX may not get XM-Satellite radio, quickly.
XM is a North American only service with its own equipment.
So a car made in Japan and UK may not see a strictly US made radio if all the coponents are sourced locally.
Many of the aftermarket Satellite radio equip. providers are selling add-on kit right now at a huge discounts. I think Sirius has several tuner deals right now were you can get some of the equipment for free.
www.sirius-radio.com
www.siriusbackstage.com
Not sure if XM is running equipement deals right now.
XM is a North American only service with its own equipment.
So a car made in Japan and UK may not see a strictly US made radio if all the coponents are sourced locally.
Many of the aftermarket Satellite radio equip. providers are selling add-on kit right now at a huge discounts. I think Sirius has several tuner deals right now were you can get some of the equipment for free.
www.sirius-radio.com
www.siriusbackstage.com
Not sure if XM is running equipement deals right now.
12-14-2003, 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by helloha
Since TSX is made in Japan..
I want JDM Engine....
Since TSX is made in Japan..
I want JDM Engine....
their 2.4 gets 190hp while we get 200hp
why would you want their engine? unless you want the euro-r engine which is the 2.0 from the integra type-r 220hp and less torque
12-14-2003, 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by Bass Mechanic
all i got to say is they better not come out with a TYPE S with 240 hp or somthing.
if that happens im personally going to acura headquarters and strangling the shit out of someone.
all i got to say is they better not come out with a TYPE S with 240 hp or somthing.
if that happens im personally going to acura headquarters and strangling the shit out of someone.
Wouldn't bet against a "Type S" or "R" 2005.5 with a turbo now that the JDM i-CDTi Accord comes with a turbo. Also, Recaros, bi-Xenons, 3-season Yokohamas and big Brembos. Still priced less than a Volvo S60R or stripped out 330i.
Make the appointment to see Johnnie Cochran NOW!
12-14-2003, 02:53 PM
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Wouldn't bet against a "Type S" or "R" 2005.5 with a turbo now that the JDM i-CDTi Accord comes with a turbo. Also, Recaros, bi-Xenons, 3-season Yokohamas and big Brembos. Still priced less than a Volvo S60R or stripped out 330i.
Make the appointment to see Johnnie Cochran NOW! [/B]
Make the appointment to see Johnnie Cochran NOW! [/B]
Turbo in a modern Vtec Honda.....small diesels need turbos b/c they don't build any RPM quickly. It's a completely different turbo then what a 2.4 would need. Don't ever look for a Turbo Accord or diesel model in the near future.
Car companies don't add new trim level models to cars that sell well.
12-14-2003, 03:25 PM
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Volvo has used variable valve timing and turbochargers together since 1999. Porsche has had it's VarioCam on the 911 turbo since 2001. I also never noticed that my Volvo's revs built particularly quickly, just that it has gobs more torque than the non-turbocharged service loaners. And the TSX may be selling well but if it were selling like champagne in Baghdad today dealers wouldn't be discounting them $1500 off sticker. I'm sure Honda would like to sell more. We'll all see of course, "in the fullness of time". But the turbo is my story since a V6 won't fit.
You can buy the i-CDTi Accord turbodiesel right now, just not in the USA, land of cheaper-than-water gasoline.
You can buy the i-CDTi Accord turbodiesel right now, just not in the USA, land of cheaper-than-water gasoline.
12-14-2003, 03:38 PM
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Honda won't bring anything with a Turbo for us to drive to the states. It's been years since Honda offered a turbo car. And even then it was green-friendly not performance turbo.
Honda won't bring a diesel to the states, and they will NEVER sell a turbo Accord anywere period.
Vtec was Honda's answer to Toyotas turbos early on. Emissions and turbos aren't friendly Honda won't mate turbo to engines in the states for that reason. This is also why we won't see a Type-R anytime soon.
Honda won't bring a diesel to the states, and they will NEVER sell a turbo Accord anywere period.
Vtec was Honda's answer to Toyotas turbos early on. Emissions and turbos aren't friendly Honda won't mate turbo to engines in the states for that reason. This is also why we won't see a Type-R anytime soon.
12-14-2003, 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by MrChad
Car companies don't add new trim level models to cars that sell well.
Car companies don't add new trim level models to cars that sell well.
Honda normally does a facelift every 2-3 years and major model changes every 4-5 years. If anyone knows of a precedent which differs from this pattern (including a major trim level upgrade at year 1), please post it.
For those who think Honda will increase TSX production, consider that the plant has a fixed capacity of some combination of JDM, Euro Accord and TSX. The Euro Accord is selling well, and the Exec trim sells for $22k pounds, which is $35k USD. They would prefer to make more of those to maximize the per unit profit.
They could add another plant to increase capacity. However, given the lead times involved in tooling up, we would have heard something by now for MY2005, which is only 10 months away.
That being said, there are some features already available on the Euro Accord that I would like to see, either as standard MY2005 features or options. It's already in production so therefore wouldn't cost a lot to develop.
- rain sensing wipers
- headlight washers
- cubby in the left dash (next to vsa switch)
- integrated keyfob inside the head of the key
12-15-2003, 03:55 PM
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Honda has already said cars will go through changes every 2-3 years so i think we can expect some nice changes. Honda doesn't need to add anything but additions/improvements etc., are the key to keeping a car fresh in the market. They did it with the latest civic. The 04 went through changes even though the redesign is right around the corner.
Originally posted by kiteboy
Exactly. People here like to talk about cool new features they want, but Honda cares (rightfully) about their bottom line. They are selling as many TSX as they can make, so it doesn't make sense to spend money to develop substantial new features and upgrades so early in its lifecycle.
Honda normally does a facelift every 2-3 years and major model changes every 4-5 years. If anyone knows of a precedent which differs from this pattern (including a major trim level upgrade at year 1), please post it.
For those who think Honda will increase TSX production, consider that the plant has a fixed capacity of some combination of JDM, Euro Accord and TSX. The Euro Accord is selling well, and the Exec trim sells for $22k pounds, which is $35k USD. They would prefer to make more of those to maximize the per unit profit.
They could add another plant to increase capacity. However, given the lead times involved in tooling up, we would have heard something by now for MY2005, which is only 10 months away.
That being said, there are some features already available on the Euro Accord that I would like to see, either as standard MY2005 features or options. It's already in production so therefore wouldn't cost a lot to develop.
- rain sensing wipers
- headlight washers
- cubby in the left dash (next to vsa switch)
- integrated keyfob inside the head of the key
Exactly. People here like to talk about cool new features they want, but Honda cares (rightfully) about their bottom line. They are selling as many TSX as they can make, so it doesn't make sense to spend money to develop substantial new features and upgrades so early in its lifecycle.
Honda normally does a facelift every 2-3 years and major model changes every 4-5 years. If anyone knows of a precedent which differs from this pattern (including a major trim level upgrade at year 1), please post it.
For those who think Honda will increase TSX production, consider that the plant has a fixed capacity of some combination of JDM, Euro Accord and TSX. The Euro Accord is selling well, and the Exec trim sells for $22k pounds, which is $35k USD. They would prefer to make more of those to maximize the per unit profit.
They could add another plant to increase capacity. However, given the lead times involved in tooling up, we would have heard something by now for MY2005, which is only 10 months away.
That being said, there are some features already available on the Euro Accord that I would like to see, either as standard MY2005 features or options. It's already in production so therefore wouldn't cost a lot to develop.
- rain sensing wipers
- headlight washers
- cubby in the left dash (next to vsa switch)
- integrated keyfob inside the head of the key
12-15-2003, 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
The 04 went through changes even though the redesign is right around the corner.
The 04 went through changes even though the redesign is right around the corner.
I can't fathom why only the Canadian TSX got the heated mirrors and the wiper fluid low indicator light. You would think economies of scale would make far easier to include them in all TSX's. Maybe Acura Canada has a bit more pull with corporate HO? After all, they did pull off the EL on their own, with great (sales) success.
It would be foreseeable that Honda would also introduce some running software fixes, like being able to shut all the windows and moonroof with the keyfob.
12-16-2003, 08:49 AM
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So again, how much of a change would it take and how does this .5MY business get decided. It's not like Infiniti sold the G35 as a 2003.5, it seems like folks on their own just starting calling their car a 2003.5. So if someone picks up a TSX next March and it has 2-3 of the things listed in this thread does he/she start calling the car a 2004.5?
12-16-2003, 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by kiteboy
That makes me wonder if the current Civic will be around for 2 more years. The prior Accord body went 5 MY's and the current USDM Odyssey is on year 6, I believe. It looks like Honda might be stretching out their product cycle a bit. It used to be you could expect a new Civic and Accord every 4 years like clockwork.
I can't fathom why only the Canadian TSX got the heated mirrors and the wiper fluid low indicator light. You would think economies of scale would make far easier to include them in all TSX's. Maybe Acura Canada has a bit more pull with corporate HO? After all, they did pull off the EL on their own, with great (sales) success.
It would be foreseeable that Honda would also introduce some running software fixes, like being able to shut all the windows and moonroof with the keyfob.
That makes me wonder if the current Civic will be around for 2 more years. The prior Accord body went 5 MY's and the current USDM Odyssey is on year 6, I believe. It looks like Honda might be stretching out their product cycle a bit. It used to be you could expect a new Civic and Accord every 4 years like clockwork.
I can't fathom why only the Canadian TSX got the heated mirrors and the wiper fluid low indicator light. You would think economies of scale would make far easier to include them in all TSX's. Maybe Acura Canada has a bit more pull with corporate HO? After all, they did pull off the EL on their own, with great (sales) success.
It would be foreseeable that Honda would also introduce some running software fixes, like being able to shut all the windows and moonroof with the keyfob.
12-16-2003, 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by biker
So again, how much of a change would it take and how does this .5MY business get decided. It's not like Infiniti sold the G35 as a 2003.5, it seems like folks on their own just starting calling their car a 2003.5. So if someone picks up a TSX next March and it has 2-3 of the things listed in this thread does he/she start calling the car a 2004.5?
So again, how much of a change would it take and how does this .5MY business get decided. It's not like Infiniti sold the G35 as a 2003.5, it seems like folks on their own just starting calling their car a 2003.5. So if someone picks up a TSX next March and it has 2-3 of the things listed in this thread does he/she start calling the car a 2004.5?
.There was an "official" 2003.5 Mazdaspeed Protege with substantial changes. Mazda's website had a different pages for 2003 and 2003.5 models, and both were available at the same time.
12-16-2003, 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by MrChad
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