'06 Accord Sedan V6 to get 6MT- Would you consider it over a TSX?
07-07-2005, 05:05 PM
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'06 Accord Sedan V6 to get 6MT- Would you consider it over a TSX?
The Temple of vtec (vtec.net) is confirming that the '06 V6 accord sedan will be available with a 6MT.
If you are like me, and are at peace with the accord's styling, this is a very attractive combination. Take a ride in an accord coupe 6MT V6-- it pulls very hard.
Expect that the '06 6MT will also feature suspention upgrades which will significantly improve handling. Also, when equipped with leather and the NAV, an accord interior is almost to par with the TSX (except for our beautiful gages).
If acura doesn't significantly boost the power levels of the TSX when I'm looking for a replacement, I see myself having to make a tough decision between a new TSX and a V6 MT accord sedan.
Personally, I don't see an accord sedan hurting TSX sales but is there anyone else that would consider it over a TSX?
If you are like me, and are at peace with the accord's styling, this is a very attractive combination. Take a ride in an accord coupe 6MT V6-- it pulls very hard.
Expect that the '06 6MT will also feature suspention upgrades which will significantly improve handling. Also, when equipped with leather and the NAV, an accord interior is almost to par with the TSX (except for our beautiful gages).
If acura doesn't significantly boost the power levels of the TSX when I'm looking for a replacement, I see myself having to make a tough decision between a new TSX and a V6 MT accord sedan.
Personally, I don't see an accord sedan hurting TSX sales but is there anyone else that would consider it over a TSX?
07-07-2005, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by scheißterhöffer
Were it not so inexcusably ugly, yes, I would.
07-07-2005, 05:25 PM
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I like the looks of the Accord sedan, but it's just way too common for me. Although in 6 mt trim with leather and navi, that combo will be very rare. When it comes out it has to look different than the lower model accords. Should come stock with 18's and a lip kit.
07-07-2005, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scheißterhöffer
Were it not so inexcusably ugly, yes, I would.
Something about the Accord sedan styling that really doesn't do it for me. The Accord Coupe looks much better though. I don't know what Honda was thinking with the Accord Sedan Rear End...
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07-07-2005, 05:54 PM
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Everyone gripes about the rear end. Does no one else think the headlights look really awkward too? I don't know if it's the shape or the narrowing quarterpanel that wraps around them or what, but I just think it's such a misproportioned looking car. I know styling is subjective, but I look at that car and just don't understand how a group of people paid pretty good money to make aesthetically pleasing cars came up with that.
07-07-2005, 06:02 PM
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Even with a 6-spd, they are two very different cars. Some of us who bought the TSX like the 'go-kart' agility which you won't get with the boat-heavy, unbalanced USDM Accord.
If I wanted a heavy feeling sedan that handled like a boat, I'd just get a G35 sedan.
If I wanted a heavy feeling sedan that handled like a boat, I'd just get a G35 sedan.
07-07-2005, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Newplay1
If I wanted v6 w/ 6spd I would have picked up TL w/ brembos..
Or if I wanted torque steer....Something about a V6 and FWD just doesn't make me feel comfortable...
07-07-2005, 08:58 PM
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Saw sneak peek photos somewhere of a revamped and much improved tail on the Accord--said it would be an unprecedented major revamp in the middle of the normal 4-5 year model run. Accord sales are down, they've heard the universal feed back on the J Lo rear, and may move quickly to turn it around. But is it true and can they accomplish this by Oct? Considered the Accord coupe and six against the TSX, and it probably would have been a closer call if the A. hadn't been so fugly (and common). But, then again, maybe not....
07-07-2005, 11:10 PM
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As soon as I found out that the Accord wasn't available in a 6-speed sedan, it dropped off of my list of possible car choices. I doubt that I would choose an Accord over my beautiful TSX, but I would have at least considered it in a 6-speed.
07-07-2005, 11:16 PM
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i actually don't mind the accord sedans, but ya, the back-end does look like weird. for some reason, it looks like a turtle to me.
06 accord 6mt? i would seriously consider it if i were to be looking to purchase a sedan...
06 accord 6mt? i would seriously consider it if i were to be looking to purchase a sedan...
07-08-2005, 03:34 AM
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The fact that the TSX had the V-TECH 4 cylinder is the primary reason I bought it. I felt it was the perfect mix of good performance and fuel economy. If the TSX had a six cylinder, I would have never even considered buying it. And if Acura decides to shoehorn a six cylinder into the TSX, I will have lost all faith in Acura. In my opinion, we need to wean ourselves away from gas guzzling SUV's and engines that produce 500 HP and 12 MPG. My TSX can go over 100 MPH with no complaints from the engine (I've done it about ten times already). It doesn't get any better than that.
Don't get me wrong. If you actually need an SUV because you tow a trailer or actually use it regularly to go offroad - by all means get one. I had one and took it off road all the time. Just don't "overbuy". When a sophisticated four cylinder (like the one in the TSX) fits the bill - buy it.
To make a long story short: NO I would not consider the Accord as an alternative. Never. You'd have to peel my cold, dead fingers from the leather wrapped steering wheel.
Don't get me wrong. If you actually need an SUV because you tow a trailer or actually use it regularly to go offroad - by all means get one. I had one and took it off road all the time. Just don't "overbuy". When a sophisticated four cylinder (like the one in the TSX) fits the bill - buy it.
To make a long story short: NO I would not consider the Accord as an alternative. Never. You'd have to peel my cold, dead fingers from the leather wrapped steering wheel.
07-08-2005, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by RickKel
The fact that the TSX had the V-TECH 4 cylinder is the primary reason I bought it. I felt it was the perfect mix of good performance and fuel economy. If the TSX had a six cylinder, I would have never even considered buying it. And if Acura decides to shoehorn a six cylinder into the TSX, I will have lost all faith in Acura. In my opinion, we need to wean ourselves away from gas guzzling SUV's and engines that produce 500 HP and 12 MPG. My TSX can go over 100 MPH with no complaints from the engine (I've done it about ten times already). It doesn't get any better than that.
Don't get me wrong. If you actually need an SUV because you tow a trailer or actually use it regularly to go offroad - by all means get one. I had one and took it off road all the time. Just don't "overbuy". When a sophisticated four cylinder (like the one in the TSX) fits the bill - buy it.
To make a long story short: NO I would not consider the Accord as an alternative. Never. You'd have to peel my cold, dead fingers from the leather wrapped steering wheel.
Don't get me wrong. If you actually need an SUV because you tow a trailer or actually use it regularly to go offroad - by all means get one. I had one and took it off road all the time. Just don't "overbuy". When a sophisticated four cylinder (like the one in the TSX) fits the bill - buy it.
To make a long story short: NO I would not consider the Accord as an alternative. Never. You'd have to peel my cold, dead fingers from the leather wrapped steering wheel.
I'd get the IMA though, but there'e no HID. So I'm not in a hurry.
07-08-2005, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by scheißterhöffer
Everyone gripes about the rear end. Does no one else think the headlights look really awkward too?
07-08-2005, 06:28 AM
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For similar money I would seriously consider a Accord Ex V6 6MT w/navi over the TSX. I am pretty sure it has a fair amount of torque steer though, and I don't like that at all.
As for when it comes time to replace the TSX I plan on moving up the food chain, not moving laterally. I really like the GS300, but I am pleased with my Acura, so if Acura can add some of the GS bells and whistles while keeping the same price- I'll stick with honda. I suspect Lexus is going to do some damage to Acura with the new IS and GS.
As for when it comes time to replace the TSX I plan on moving up the food chain, not moving laterally. I really like the GS300, but I am pleased with my Acura, so if Acura can add some of the GS bells and whistles while keeping the same price- I'll stick with honda. I suspect Lexus is going to do some damage to Acura with the new IS and GS.
07-08-2005, 08:57 AM
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The 06 hasn't improved enough IMO to help sales all that much. Still fugly.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
07-08-2005, 09:24 AM
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The 06 hasn't improved enough IMO to help sales all that much. Still fugly.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
That's definitely going to be a niche market to sell to.
07-08-2005, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dom
The 06 hasn't improved enough IMO to help sales all that much. Still fugly.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
And realistically a MT Accord sedan will account for no more than 5-6% of total sales. And good luck trying to sell a used MT people hauler. The used MT family sedan market is even smaller.
I'm actually surprised they did it. The accord sedan is strongly positioned as the "family who doesn't want a minivan" car. I don't know why they would waste the time and money making a 6MT...
07-08-2005, 10:11 AM
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I'm actually surprised they did it. The accord sedan is strongly positioned as the "family who doesn't want a minivan" car. I don't know why they would waste the time and money making a 6MT...
I'm actually surprised they did it. The accord sedan is strongly positioned as the "family who doesn't want a minivan" car. I don't know why they would waste the time and money making a 6MT...
Maybe a 6MT Odyssey is coming!
07-08-2005, 10:45 AM
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This isn't applicable to me, since I opted for 5AT. I still wouldn't get an Accord, unless they brought over the Euro Accord and shoved a k24 in there or something. :wink:
07-08-2005, 11:33 AM
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What is the weight difference? The Accord coupe hauls ass, but, the sedan will be heavier. I seriously considered the Accord Sedan when I bought my TSX (since my wife layed down the law on 4 doors), but the 160 HP vs. 200 in the more nible TSX was worth the 2K extra. What will the price be vs. a TSX?
07-08-2005, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jmf
What is the weight difference? The Accord coupe hauls ass, but, the sedan will be heavier. I seriously considered the Accord Sedan when I bought my TSX (since my wife layed down the law on 4 doors), but the 160 HP vs. 200 in the more nible TSX was worth the 2K extra. What will the price be vs. a TSX?
07-08-2005, 02:29 PM
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The TSX and the 06 6MT EX Accord will be within 100lb of each other. After the inital hype dies down - the Accord will probably be 2-3K less than the TSX.
So it all comes down to this: is 40HP (and more importantly almost 50lb ft of torque) and a $2-3K deficit worth the slightly better handling and better looks?
So it all comes down to this: is 40HP (and more importantly almost 50lb ft of torque) and a $2-3K deficit worth the slightly better handling and better looks?
07-08-2005, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by biker
The TSX and the 06 6MT EX Accord will be within 100lb of each other. After the inital hype dies down - the Accord will probably be 2-3K less than the TSX.
So it all comes down to this: is 40HP (and more importantly almost 50lb ft of torque) and a $2-3K deficit worth the slightly better handling and better looks?
So it all comes down to this: is 40HP (and more importantly almost 50lb ft of torque) and a $2-3K deficit worth the slightly better handling and better looks?
Since I bought an AT I was faced with that dilemma and you know what I chose. No way could I deal with the looks of the 03-05 Accord. Like I said before, so far the 06 hasn't done enough to change that.
07-08-2005, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by g35doc
TSX and accord V6 actually get the same gas mileage.
Now in the "real world" I get about 28 MPG with mixed 50-50 Hwy/City driving (and I'm not babying it either). I get well into the 30's on the Highway (33 if I drive 80+, 35 or more if I drive more moderately). I wonder if "real world" for the Accord would be similar.
07-08-2005, 09:43 PM
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I've been weighing a lot of options and I think the proper thing to do is enjoy the TSX now, and wait an see if Honda makes a turbo at all. The most likely replacement for my TSX in the future is a SH-AWD TL with hopefully about 300 HP
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07-09-2005, 12:37 AM
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Actually RickKel, the auto tsx is 21/30 and manual tsx is 22/31. Still pretty much the same though.
It's also only 1 MPG better than the TL which is 200 pounds heavier and far more powerful.
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Originally Posted by g35doc
Actually RickKel, the auto tsx is 21/30 and manual tsx is 22/31. Still pretty much the same though.
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EPA Estimated Fuel Mileage (city/highway) - Manual: 22/29* mpg
EPA Estimated Fuel Mileage (city/highway) - Automatic: 23/32* mpg
* Use for comparison purposes only. Your mileage may vary.
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The auto has better mileage as 5th gear is more overdriven than the manual 6th gear (which I found out only after I purchased the car!! - not that it would have changed my mind).
I had an TSX-auto loaner for a few days and noticed that it runs at around 2450rpm at 70mph while my 6sp runs at around 2950rpm at 70mph.
Unlike most other manuals, the TSX 6sp has poorer mileage than the auto TSX.