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Old 11-21-2006 | 02:33 PM
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same here...great car.
Out of all of them, it was the most reliable too.
Old 11-21-2006 | 02:38 PM
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Actually, the Altima 3.5 ifor 2003-2006 s rated at 18 or 19 mpg city and 26 highway. I mostly got 21 in the G35's with mostly highway and some city driving. On a trip the best it saw was 25 mpg.

They do not get as good as a TSX. The VQ has never been known for good gas mileage.
They must have recieved some minor revision in 2007 then, because the website says 22/28 for the auto and 21/29 for the manual. The Canadian website has the 3.5SE listed at 10.6L/100KM city and 7.7L/100KM highway, which is a tad better than the US stats. I imagine we have a slightly different testing standard than the EPA.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:17 PM
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i don't know what you mean by "makes best engine", but it hasn't been known for its reliability in the past. I owned 96 Altima and it was junk.

exactly right. nissan sucks! all their cars/trucks are shit. the company isn't even japanese anymore. no wonder they're last place in sales and resale value. i don't know why someone would try to convince you otherwise..especially on a TSX FORUM.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pbjpb
exactly right. nissan sucks! all their cars/trucks are shit. the company isn't even japanese anymore. no wonder they're last place in sales and resale value. i don't know why someone would try to convince you otherwise..especially on a TSX FORUM.

Old 11-21-2006 | 03:27 PM
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Im not trying to be a pot stirrer...

-But go to ANY other car board or ANY car magizine and the acura tsx is never in the luxury class...its in the premium class of cars. I love the TSX but it truely is a rebaged honda accord (as we all know). There really is no difference between it and a loaded altima...So please get off you high horse and go educate yourself.


Would you say that a Lexus GS is not a luxury car when in essence it is a "rebadged" toyota camry?

There is more to a luxury car then the car itself. The service, warranty et al are part of what makes a car a "luxury" car. Acura, lexus and Infiniti exists in the US mostly as part of a marketing scheme, but also to set aside a certain class. Sure the TSX is riding on the coat tails of its bigger brothers, but to say it isn't luxury is a stretch.

Things such as warranty set apart a luxury car and a standard car. For instance... a honda, toyota nissan has a basic warranty of 3 yr. / 36,000 mi. A car like Acura/ Infiniti/ lexus has a warranty of 4 yr. / 50,000 mi (60k for infiniti)

To illustrate.. here is one reference to "luxury"
http://autos.aol.com/article/general...06141209990001


BTW. I am not a honda-fan boy. The TSX is my first and probably last honda/ acura.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:52 PM
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exactly right. nissan sucks! all their cars/trucks are shit. the company isn't even japanese anymore. no wonder they're last place in sales and resale value. i don't know why someone would try to convince you otherwise..especially on a TSX FORUM.
Holy fanboy.

Since you just pulled those statements out of your ass, here are the facts:
1) Kelly Blue Book just rated Nissan and BMW as having the highest resale values for 2006.

2) Last month was the best sales month ever for Nissan, up 33% over the same month last year.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Holy fanboy.

Since you just pulled those statements out of your ass, here are the facts:
1) Kelly Blue Book just rated Nissan and BMW as having the highest resale values for 2006.

2) Last month was the best sales month ever for Nissan, up 33% over the same month last year.

But your on a TSX FORUM, yo.
Old 11-21-2006 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
Holy fanboy.

Since you just pulled those statements out of your ass, here are the facts:
1) Kelly Blue Book just rated Nissan and BMW as having the highest resale values for 2006.

2) Last month was the best sales month ever for Nissan, up 33% over the same month last year.
I'd like to see those numbers or a link where it shows Nissan and BMW have the highest resale values especially over Lexus or Honda/Acura. I seriously doubt that.
Old 11-21-2006 | 04:22 PM
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Would you say that a Lexus GS is not a luxury car when in essence it is a "rebadged" toyota camry?
In this case it wouldn't be GS, it's ES, btw my friend has 1994 ES300 with 220k miles and still going without a hitch
Old 11-21-2006 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin

2) Last month was the best sales month ever for Nissan, up 33% over the same month last year.
I am not surprised if this is the result of their 350Z sales, but if it's not I must say I am really surprised, I guess people who buy other Nissan cars really don't care how it looks... I would take Corolla or Civic or Mazda3 (even Dodge Caliber will do) over Sentra, I would take Camry/Accord/Mazda6 over Altima or even Maxima
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And Dan, I hate to break it to you but you were wrong on Nissan sales. They are only up 8.1 perfect over last year.

Nissan North America Announces October Sales [Nov. 1, 06]


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (November 1, 2006) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today reported sales of 75,095 units in October, an increase of 8.1 percent from the prior year. Nissan Division sales increased by 9.6 percent over last year. Infiniti Division posted a sales decrease of -1.8 percent versus the prior year.

NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS
• October sales for Nissan-brand vehicles of 65,689 units increased by 9.6 percent on a daily sales rate basis compared with last year’s 62,317 units sold.
• The all-new Sentra was off to a good start with sales of 1,900 units, contributing to the total Sentra sales of 8,406 units.
• The new Versa subcompact continued to build momentum with sales of 3,056 units.
• The Murano and Armada had their best October ever with sales of 6,440 units for Murano and 3,376 units for Armada.

INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
• Sales for Infiniti were down 1.8 percent, with 9,406 units sold, as compared with last October’s 9,962 units.
• The FX luxury crossover vehicle posted sales of 2,320 units in October, a gain of 32.4 percent over the prior year.
• The all-new G35 sedan, released a few days ago, reported sales of 317 units, contributing to the total G35 sedan sales of 2,771 units.

NNA INFORMATION
• Combined October sales for Nissan and Infiniti totaled 75,095 units, a 8.1 percent increase when compared with last year with 72,279 units.
• The all-new 2007 Sentra was released mid-October. November will mark the first full month of sales of the all-new Altima and Infiniti G35 sport sedan.

In North America, NNA’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on NNA and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissannews.com or by contacting the corporate media line at 615-725-5631.

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Go here to see detailed numbers.

http://nissannews.com/corporate/news...01101623.shtml
Old 11-21-2006 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
The 3.0 L V6 engine in your 95 maxima is a completely different animal compared to the 3.5L in any of the newer cars. The 3.5 is no where near as smooth, and its much louder and more rough. Nissan lost the smoothness on the new engines. The J32 in the TL is a much smoother engine.
I think it should me somewhat smoother with the CVT in the '07's.


VQ engines have amazing torque. Horsepower may sell cars but torque wins races. TSX and Altima both weigh 3200lbs but the Altima does 0-60 in 6.31 seconds opposed to the 7.21 seconds the TSX does. It also does 1/4 mile in 14.8 while the TSX does it in 15.63.

However, the interior is no where near the TSX's. Not as good quality and ugly orange lights.
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And for the month prior to that it was much worse. They decreased.

http://nissannews.com/corporate/news...03101128.shtml

Nissan North America Announces September Sales [Oct. 3, 06]


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (October 3, 2006) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) reports sales of 88,340 units in September, which is a decrease of 9.2 percent from the prior year. The Nissan Division sales decreased by 9.1 percent over last year. The Infiniti Division posted a sales decline of 9.8 percent versus the prior year.

NISSAN HIGHLIGHTS
· September sales for Nissan-brand vehicles of 77,962 units decreased 9.1 percent on a daily sales rate basis when compared to last year with 82,478 units sold.
· The Murano had its best ever September with sales of 6,093 units.
· The new Versa subcompact continues to experience a solid start, with sales of 4,729 units.
· Nissan’s Pathfinder and Armada SUVs saw strong sales in September, with year-over-year monthly increases of 15.1 percent for Pathfinder and 11.4 percent for Armada.

INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
· Sales for Infiniti were down 9.8 percent, with 10,378 units sold, as compared with last September’s 11,062 units.
· The FX luxury crossover vehicle posted sales of 2,364 units in September, a sales gain of 17.3 percent over the prior year.

NNA INFORMATION
· Combined September sales for Nissan and Infiniti totaled 88,340 units, a 9.2 percent decrease when compared to last year with 93,540 units.
· The coming month marks start of sales for the all-new 2007 Sentra, while the new Altima and Infiniti G35 sport sedan will be on sale in November.

In North America, NNA’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on NNA and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissannews.com or by contacting the corporate media line at 615-725-5631.

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Old 11-21-2006 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
The 96 Altima had a KA24 Engine 4 banger. 2002 is when the Altima changed bodystyle and got the VQ.

The Altima in any bodystyle does not have a good resale value. Very poor. G35 and 350z are the only cars that hold the resale value in Nissans lineup.
The 2002+ Altimas have very good resale value, near tops in class.
Infiniti M has good resale on the Infiniti side.
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If that was true, then our 2003 we wouldn't have taken a bath on trading it in after 3 years.
Old 11-21-2006 | 06:21 PM
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exactly right. nissan sucks! all their cars/trucks are shit. the company isn't even japanese anymore. no wonder they're last place in sales and resale value. i don't know why someone would try to convince you otherwise..especially on a TSX FORUM.

Blind fanboy alert
Old 11-21-2006 | 06:34 PM
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If that was true, then our 2003 we wouldn't have taken a bath on trading it in after 3 years.
Infiniti M? The previous body style had pretty bad resale, despite being a very good car.
But most people get raped on trade in anyway.

If you're talking about the Altima, then I don't know... can't find a definitive source but the following all show Altima, and Nissan in general in good resale standing.

Top 10 with best residual value in 2005

Altima and Camry ranked same for resale
Actually, this source is kind of fishy because TL/TSX only get 3 stars, where the Altima gets 4

2007 Altima predicted to have 5/5 resale value

These are just some of the first links I found by searching in google.
Old 11-21-2006 | 07:15 PM
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Would you say that a Lexus GS is not a luxury car when in essence it is a "rebadged" toyota camry?

BTW. I am not a honda-fan boy. The TSX is my first and probably last honda/ acura.

But dont make me post pictures of the exact same TSX with honda badges, we've all seen them and we dont need to again.


By the Way...I think you are talking about the ES being a rebadged toyota camry

www.lexus.com
www.toyota.com


www.acura.com
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/
Old 11-21-2006 | 07:28 PM
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No our 2003 Altima. Nissan in general has a poor resale rating. Poorer out of all the japan made vehicles made. This has been known for many years. Only the 350z and G35 hold there value.

Our Altima was worth only 12k 1 year ago and it was a 2003 2.5SL Loaded with 29k of miles.

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Infiniti M? The previous body style had pretty bad resale, despite being a very good car.
But most people get raped on trade in anyway.

If you're talking about the Altima, then I don't know... can't find a definitive source but the following all show Altima, and Nissan in general in good resale standing.

Top 10 with best residual value in 2005

Altima and Camry ranked same for resale
Actually, this source is kind of fishy because TL/TSX only get 3 stars, where the Altima gets 4

2007 Altima predicted to have 5/5 resale value

These are just some of the first links I found by searching in google.
Old 11-21-2006 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pimpin-tl
I'd like to see those numbers or a link where it shows Nissan and BMW have the highest resale values especially over Lexus or Honda/Acura. I seriously doubt that.
Sure:

Originally Posted by http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4022645
Kelley Blue Book, which awards vehicles projected to have the best resale value after five years of ownership, has both BMW and Nissan leading the way once again with two models each—the BMW 5-Series and BMW-built MINI Cooper, as well as the Nissan-built Infiniti G35 Coupe and Infiniti M45.
Originally Posted by http://www.northpeel.com/br/wheels/story/3767290p-4357617c.html
Nissan Canada Inc. (NCI) has released its sales figures for October, 2006. The total sales figure for both Nissan and Infiniti brands was 6,260 units, an increase of 1,577 units (33.7 per cent) over October 2005. The Nissan brand accounted for 5,715 units, an increase of 1,650 units (40.6 per cent) year-over-year. This was the Nissan brand's best month since October, 2001.
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I see nothing about the Altima. :P I knew about the G35 and 350z but not the Alitma. As I said, the Altima has poor resale value.
Old 11-21-2006 | 09:29 PM
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I see nothing about the Altima. :P I knew about the G35 and 350z but not the Alitma. As I said, the Altima has poor resale value.
Uhmm... you just totally ignored my sources which state the Altima indeed has good residual value.
Old 11-21-2006 | 09:37 PM
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On the topic of Altimas, I just drove a 2.5SL tonight. It's a very impressive car. The CVT will take a little getting used to, but it was quite a bit faster than the Legacy 2.5 that we took out right after the Altima. We're going back on the weekend to drive a 3.5SE and I assume it will probably be faster than the Legacy 2.5 GT.
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Uhmm... you just totally ignored my sources which state the Altima indeed has good residual value.

It does not SAY anywhere "ALTIMA" for RESALE VALUE. Residue yes for 2005. But Dan's info shows it not listed period. I just looked again. Plus the % on that 2nd site link is wrong that Dan posted. I posted it straight from Nissans website the sales figures and they are only up 8-9% in October not 30%~.

Only TWO-THREE cars have good resale value. M35/45, 350Z, G35.

Most of Nissan other cars have a crappy resale value due to rental fleets and sales.
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Believe what you want. I see per Dan's links that the Altima isn't even listed.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
On the topic of Altimas, I just drove a 2.5SL tonight. It's a very impressive car. The CVT will take a little getting used to, but it was quite a bit faster than the Legacy 2.5 that we took out right after the Altima. We're going back on the weekend to drive a 3.5SE and I assume it will probably be faster than the Legacy 2.5 GT.

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Old 11-22-2006 | 08:03 AM
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Actually, when SS was behind the wheel, the sales guy said "I don't think I've ever seen a woman drive so aggressively. Nice!". LOL!
Old 11-22-2006 | 08:08 AM
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But dont make me post pictures of the exact same TSX with honda badges, we've all seen them and we dont need to again.


By the Way...I think you are talking about the ES being a rebadged toyota camry

www.lexus.com
www.toyota.com


www.acura.com
http://www.honda.co.uk/car/

Fine.. don't make me start posting pictures of the Lexus is300 and a Toyota Altezza.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
On the topic of Altimas, I just drove a 2.5SL tonight. It's a very impressive car. The CVT will take a little getting used to, but it was quite a bit faster than the Legacy 2.5 that we took out right after the Altima. We're going back on the weekend to drive a 3.5SE and I assume it will probably be faster than the Legacy 2.5 GT.

That's weird. When I drove both, I felt that the Legacy was significantly faster than the Altima. Just my

I had a blast driving the Legacy.
Old 11-22-2006 | 10:29 AM
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That's weird. When I drove both, I felt that the Legacy was significantly faster than the Altima. Just my

I had a blast driving the Legacy.
I would have thought so too, but we drove them back-to-back and it was quite noticeable. The Legacy did have a better suspension and more direct steering feel though.

Did you drive the new Altima?
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I would have thought so too, but we drove them back-to-back and it was quite noticeable. The Legacy did have a better suspension and more direct steering feel though.

Did you drive the new Altima?
Actually I believe I drove the 2006 one. Is there a difference between the 06's and the 07's?
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Actually I believe I drove the 2006 one. Is there a difference between the 06's and the 07's?
It's completely redesigned for 2007. The inline four still makes 175hp/180lb-ft but the V6 is up to 270hp/258lb-ft (from 250/249 in 2006). I think the CVT will show a little quicker acceleration than last year's 4AT.
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It's completely redesigned for 2007. The inline four still makes 175hp/180lb-ft but the V6 is up to 270hp/258lb-ft (from 250/249 in 2006). I think the CVT will show a little quicker acceleration than last year's 4AT.
Hmm, I'm gonna have to go test drive one. Sounds interesting.
Old 11-22-2006 | 03:25 PM
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I'd like to see those numbers or a link where it shows Nissan and BMW have the highest resale values especially over Lexus or Honda/Acura. I seriously doubt that.
yeah i agree, where's the link to this Dan you douche. besides it doesn't matter how much nissan's sales increased it's still in last place..that's a fact.
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Why not you look UP. Don't call people names either.
Old 11-22-2006 | 03:49 PM
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yeah i agree, where's the link to this Dan you douche. besides it doesn't matter how much nissan's sales increased it's still in last place..that's a fact.
Do you have a point, or would you just like to continue the personal attacks so you can be banned?
Old 11-22-2006 | 04:21 PM
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I think this thread should be locked... who really cares... if you want to get Altima - get Altima, if you like TSX - get TSX.

Personally I am happy that Altima/Nissan sales are up that means that we'll see less of other cars on the road and specifically TSX. I like standing out with my car and getting the car that has the highest sales numbers is not for me.
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^^ agreed.
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The ride is not on par with the performance. When I was looking at those before purchasing the TSX, I had some issues with the ride and handling. Coming from a 330CI SMG, the TSX was the closest in handling and ride quality. The altima is still very unrefined for those looking for sport handling and lux feel, should bump up to the G35 or look elsewhere IMO. The interior feels cheap compared to TXS's.

The other thing (strickly just me) with is those cars are freaking everywhere, its Nissans top selling car for like 10 years now, we have about 10 in our parking lot at work here, I wonder how they tell them apart sometimes


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