t_dot_porkchop

hey bros,

i need to make a tough decision. should i go for a 2004 or 2005? i can get a really good deal on a 2004 SSM 5AT ($32,000 cash + my 98 civic). my current car is not worth much and i know it has problems (front suspension, brakes, tranny, rad, etc) and has 184,000kms. i decided on SSM because i cant have a tan interior and the IBP is just ugly.

the thing is for 2005, there are new colours available in canada. i would LOVE to get a CG/5AT.....but is it worth the extra price? its about $1600 (MSRP) more, plus the $1500 incentive on 2004s right now. that means the car would cost no less than $35,000 + trade in....(probably closer to $36,000 + trade)

help me decide!

thanks

Belzebutt

$32,000 cash, no options? That's $2800 for your Civic including any discounts. If this $1,400 incentive is not from the dealer but from Acura, they're really not giving you that much.

But if you think you'll have to pay at least $3000 more for a 2005, it's absolutely NOT worth it.

t_dot_porkchop

you're not understanding.... its $32,000 CASH...on the road (all taxes, fees, freight, PDI, everything)

i might even get them to throw in some fogs and rain mats....we'll see.

PixelHarmony

That's a pretty good deal but I'm sure you can do better. I talked my dealer into giving me $1500 USD off my MSRP. I ended up paying 27,100$ for my CG 6MT/ Non Navi. Get the 2004, nothing is differnent on 05's Cept that little XM antenna.

Celeron

$27,100 including taxes, destination, fees, etc..?

t_dot_porkchop

yeah....my plan is to ask for $31500 or $32,000 + fogs + rain mats

Magoomba

Faxed in my offer yesterday. *fingers crossed*

Item Offer
2004 Acura TSX, Blue, 5spd Auto $31,250.00
PDI $0.00
A/C tax $0.00
Options:
Rear splash guard $0.00
All weather floor mats $0.00
Trunk tray $0.00
Sub Total $31,250.00
Taxes $4,375.00
Total $35,625.00

t_dot_porkchop

good luck bro!!!! you should get it. did they mention anything about the $1500 cash back on 2004 models? it was apparantly authorized by acura canada.

Magoomba

Didn't hear about this.
Where can I go for more info? I don't see it on www.acura.ca

t_dot_porkchop

that is what the dealer im dealing with told me. they said acura authorized a $1500 incentive on 2004 TSXs effective november 1st.

maybe they are lying to me to get the sale....i dont know?

Magoomba

Hmm, I'm still a bit unclear.

That's gonna affect me cuz I need to know if that $1400 is coming back to me, or if the dealership's going to factor that $1400 into my offer.

pcdawg

That price will be really hard to do. The CDN dealers invoice price on the TSX base is $32,016. That is the price that the dealers buy the car from Acura Canada.

Didnt hear about this $1400 incentive, but if did come from Acura CAnada, most likely you will get the check from ACura Canada the price will not be deducted from your price that u negotiated at the dealer.

Dan Martin

You'll be a hero if you get it for that price.

t_dot_porkchop

if he can get that price....then im not going to budge on my original offer of $30K + my car. im going to let the dealer sweat it out a bit. they keep calling me, but i will not return calls. if i wait until the 2005s are released, they will definately let it go for low.

im dealing with acura woodbine....anyone have feedback on them?

BTW: dan martin......you stole my name...lol

members78

i was going to give you some advice until you dissed my car color!

pcdawg

t dot porkchop:

The best price would be $32,016 + PDI +gas tax+ AC Tax. Admin fee is what the dealer makes(overhead of building, part of staff wages etc) That would be a miracle if u can get just that. Those fees have to be paid. As it is required for any new car in canada.
There is no way that the car will be sold at cost unless they are clearing out the cars the new body/styling is coming out. The dealership has to make some $$ to cover some of their overhead. Who pays for those lovely secretaries and those salespeople roaming around and all those managers?

I knew the cost of the car before going to my dealership ( i only went to one and didnt bother to shop around). My offer was for them to put $800 in their pockets but they wont budge. They kept calling me saying to put a downpayment and they can try to do it. I didnt believe them and told them to write down the firm #s. They kept saying we'll try......

Eventually i went to a car broker and got the car for a bit cheaper than what i was thinking of paying.

A week later, the dealer did call me back and said they will give me an "amazing offer". IT was close to what my offer was, but they couldnt match it. At that time i told them I was not interested in the car anymore and dont call me anymore.

But wow...you should have seen me the first few days when i was at the dealership. They marked down on the sheet a price range of 38000-39000. And when went back tey said ok here's the cost $41xxx. I was livid. Why did they write down the 38-39G price on the paper? SO that i can get suckered in and then they say sorry we cant do those #s for u?? They eventually moved down a bit (cuz of my stubborness of not budging) but i already got a good price from a car broker. I would have brought the car from them if they didnt cause me so much aggrevation. They thought i was very desparate for the car. Their loss....they cant sucker everyone....

ianS

It sounds like a good deal but if you can wait till X'mas time, you should able to get some discount on 05 model as well, so may be $34000 + trade in.

t_dot_porkchop

pcdawg....that is no where near the best price.....they can drop it down. trust me.

they lie....plain and simple. when push comes to shove, they will sell. they already know that i am a guaranteed sell and all they have to do is meet my offer....i will go up a bit only.

they forget two things:

1. I pay for everything. i pay for all the taxes, the car, the fees, the shipping, the service, EVERYTHING. all they do is deliver the car to me....i even have to pay for the $20 of gas thats in the tank. do they deserve a couple thousand dollars for handing me the keys? i dont think so. they know they dont deserve it.

2. i have a car already. i make that known everytime i talk to them. there is no pressure for me to buy. my car works. its paid. they want to you display signs that you NEED that TSX. like that they got you.

BTW: who pays for the lovely secretaries? all those suckers that think the dealer is giving them a "good deal"

sauceman

The deal looks okay. Jdging on 32,000$ cash, then it would mean they're giving you more or less 8000$ for your Civic. At such a high mileage, it's not unreasonnable.

pcdawg

Doesnt matter how you pay, they make money off of leasing or financing. Just cash they get it into their bank acount faster.
I also have a car already..a Camry which i told them i will not be trading in. SO they knew i wont be stuck with no car.

Yes, they will try to make some extra bucks off you.
How much are they taking the civic off you?

You should get at least $8000 on your civic
You should be able to get $30,000 plus your trade. If they say no, then go elsewhere.

dom

And Silver is just unbelievable

t_dot_porkchop

you cant look at it like that sauceman....you are giving the car too much value. i think i can get it for much less than $32K + trade in.

the invoice price means nothing. acura does not sell them for the same price to a dealer that moves 100 cars in a month compared to a dealer that sells 5. high volume = high discounts. that invoice price of 32,016 means nothing to us really because we are missing so many pieces of the equation.

OT (but kind on on topic too)....you know it only costs nike about $17 to produce a set of air jordans....notice the mark-up!

t_dot_porkchop

LOL....slim pickings up here....

dom

Get the White.

Magoomba

It's not cash back to the customer. Acura Canada is simply lowering their invoice price.
I'm uncertain about the amount though. Does anyone know?

fdl

I think you are missing the point though. They will not sell a car for less than they paid for it (under normal circumstances). If they get money back from acura, thats a different story. But if their invoice is $32,000 (i dont know if it is), why the heck would they sell it to you for less than they paid for it?

rastaman

[QUOTE=pcdawg]That price will be really hard to do. The CDN dealers invoice price on the TSX base is $32,016. That is the price that the dealers buy the car from Acura Canada.



where did you get the $32,016 invoice price from? www.carcostcanada.com ?

rastaman

If you are going to spend over $30,000 on a car, you might as well get what you want. So if you want the new colours that are coming out for 2005, pay the extra and get what you want. This way you will be more happy with your car and there wll be no regrets. And what is another $2,000 to $4,000 more when you are already willing to pay $32,000?
Get the 2005 and think about the navi.

sauceman

He is right, fdl, they do get volume rebates, incentives, etc., so the invoice is just a theoretical cost price, but depending on their turnover rate, their actual cost may be significantly lower.

But porkchop, if you believe you can get it at 30,000$, more power to you, but believe me, 8 Gran for your Civic is already good. Let's say the negociated sale price of the T would be 32,000 + transport taxes, etc., that would mean they would still be offering you 6 grand for a 6 year old, 184K Civic, which is still very reasonnable considering the risk related to it.

You have to understand that usually they will negotiate you on either the purchase or the trade-in, but not both, or at least they will not stoop down completely on their knees.

Like I said, if you can pull that off at 30k cash, you are a God. They are not exactly giving their TSXs away, even though some incentives might be valid, because demand is there, even for the 04s.

Anyway, keep us posted and good luck.

fdl

Right, I understand this, which is why I qualified it by saying "under normal circumstances". I dont think those types of discounts are the "norm" i.e. I woulnt go in expecting them to be able to go lower than invoice.

sauceman

Me neither, but then again, it depends. Take for example ALBI Mazda in Mascouche close to MTL. They are the #1 Mazda dealer in NA. I went in a few years ago to help my brother buy a Protege, and we came out 2 hours later with a signed deal for 15$ over invoice.

I'm pretty sure if I had known back then how to negociate, the deal would have been much, much nicer.

It's all about volume. If you can find the dealer that has crazy volume, you just might be able to get a deal even beyond invoice. I believe a few members have succeeded at this on this board.

I know for a fact we would never have been able to pull it off when we bought ours last year though.

t_dot_porkchop

exactly...supply and demand. i can not even think of pulling this on a 2005, especially with the new colours coming out.

im sticking to my original offer of $30K + my trade in....the most i will go is $30.5K + trade in.

Magoomba

The cars will sell for what they are worth. Simply market forces at work.
No one knows for sure the actual cost to the dealership due to holdbacks, volume discounting, other incentives, etc.
The bottom line is if someone is willing to pay $32,000 and you're only willing to pay $30,000 then the other guy's gonna get the car first. Once the cars are gone, that's it folks!
Just tell em how much you're willing to pay and stick by your guns!

t_dot_porkchop

good post magoomba....wish me luck!!!

Magoomba

After my weekend of haggling, the best they could come up with on an 04 TSX 5AT was
$32300 for the car
$950 for PDI
$120 for A/C + tire levy
$175 for documentation fee
$193 floor mats
$164 trunk tray
free rear splash guard
free cargo net
plus taxes of course

I told them my counter offer is for them to throw in the PDI and other fees. They stuck by their original "special" price. We're around $1500 apart. So I left.

t_dot_porkchop

just walk out.....they will call you back. not counting the extra things (ie mats, tray, etc), they are still asking you for $38200 on the road....too much for a car that is a year old. a 2004 TSX when it first came out had an on the road price of $41500 (without any haggling).

im still working on the $30K + my car deal......i faxed them a offer since i do not want to go in and out haggling with them....they will call me. if not, i dont care. im going to go see another one today in newmarket!

Bananaairsoft

I knew it! I just know domn will say something!

Magoomba

They did call be back.
But all they said was some BS about, "well, that's really the best we can do. we sold one last week for $39xxx, etc. etc. if something comes up on our side, we'll call you back or if something changes on your side, give me a call."
Sheesh!
My problem with them is that I moved up on my original offer, but they choose to stand pat on theirs. I mean, c'mon, that's not negotiating!

t_dot_porkchop

i just got back from sterne acura....i started at $29 + my car....moved to $29500....and left with $30K....i now have that offer in at two dealerships. they both know im motivated because i gave them my credit card and said they can have a deposit if we agree on a price. they only wanted to give me $4200 + taxes ($4830) for my civic.....losers!

i say they both call me back before the end of the week! i dont know if i will get $30K....but you cant say i didnt try! lol

Magoomba

t_dot_porkchop: What car are you trading in?

It's tougher to know what kind of price you're getting if you have trade-in involved. Mine's much simpler.

Oh well, if I don't end up getting a TSX, I'll save up for a TL instead!