Pics of the new motor!!!
01-12-2005, 08:24 AM
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Pics of the new motor!!!
OK, FINALLY remembered to bring my camera to the shop last night and snap a few good pics of the Type II. Here you go:
[IMG]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...68_27_full.jpg[/IMG]
Notice the SIZE of this monster!!! The other motor in the one pic is from a late model Mustang Cobra!!
[IMG]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member...68_27_full.jpg[/IMG]
Notice the SIZE of this monster!!! The other motor in the one pic is from a late model Mustang Cobra!!
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yeah man, gonna prolly be a until end of Feb. as they are kinda working on it as they have time (saves me lots of $$$ that way) I'm drivin my g/f's old '84 Scirocco right now...lol I should put some pics of that beast up here for jokes!! I'm gonna be cleaning/painting most of the stuff on the motor as they proceed so that it will look nice and clean when it gets into the car.
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Yeah, its a big motor but its quite 'low' in terms of the height of the motor, considering its an overhead cam engine.
90 degree design is what keeps it compact in that sense. Honda has always had this near fetish with low hoods
90 degree design is what keeps it compact in that sense. Honda has always had this near fetish with low hoods
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How can i show this emotion towards what you are doing to your TL... 
SWEEEEET DUUUUDE!!!
That looks awsome... bet you can't wait till its in your TL... damn... Type 2... does this mean you will have more power then our MegaMod Ken???
Keep us informed on your progress with your swap... good luck on the swap...
SWEEEEET DUUUUDE!!!
That looks awsome... bet you can't wait till its in your TL... damn... Type 2... does this mean you will have more power then our MegaMod Ken???
Keep us informed on your progress with your swap... good luck on the swap...
01-12-2005, 02:24 PM
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Haha...thanks Spook. If I had more $$$$, time and tools myself, I'd be getting the heads and intake ported. I still might, once the heads are off, I may send them to my friend to have him port them for me....we'll see. THAT will definately put me over Ken. 
I am gonna get my ECU custom programmed once it is all in the car by a local guy. I'm gonna put it on the dyno when it's all done to put up some hard nmbers to shoot for.
I am gonna get my ECU custom programmed once it is all in the car by a local guy. I'm gonna put it on the dyno when it's all done to put up some hard nmbers to shoot for.
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Yeah, its a big motor but its quite 'low' in terms of the height of the motor, considering its an overhead cam engine.
90 degree design is what keeps it compact in that sense. Honda has always had this near fetish with low hoods
90 degree design is what keeps it compact in that sense. Honda has always had this near fetish with low hoods
01-13-2005, 07:14 AM
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Thanks guys....Yeah TooCoo, I was originally planning on doing a 3.2 Type II head on an RL block, (a la Dv8 from the Legend forum....) But well...I'm good, I'm just not THAT good! LOL Just don't have the time or $$$ to spend on that. But this should still work out well....
LDH- No kidding! Everything has a place on this sucker!! Gonna be a bitch to take in and out I think.....
LDH- No kidding! Everything has a place on this sucker!! Gonna be a bitch to take in and out I think.....
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I'm at 208 whp. Try and shoot for that once everything is said and done
01-13-2005, 03:58 PM
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That's about 250 at the motor pretty good bro.... If I do end up porting everything, I'll hope to be at around the 260-270 HP range. Not hoping for too much more torque though, hard to get with this motor. 
But 260 HP will DESSIMATE many cars on the highway though.
But 260 HP will DESSIMATE many cars on the highway though.
01-13-2005, 04:09 PM
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Yeah.. I'm doing 14.6 on the 1/4 mile now
Not bad for an automatic
Not bad for an automatic
01-13-2005, 04:14 PM
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Hoyl shit Ken, that's sick!! I may actually be able to take my car to the track again!! (Man I miss my Integra!!) And even kick my little bro's ass!! (He's had bragging rights on the dyno and the track with his '96 Maxima 198.7 WHP)...He'll be pissed! I LOVE IT!!! :P 
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Yeah.. I'm doing 14.6 on the 1/4 mile now
Not bad for an automatic
Not bad for an automatic
i need to get my facts a bit straight... but man you guys are going all out with these conversions... can't wait to see you two tearing up the tracks...
01-15-2005, 12:36 AM
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Cornflake and Ken ... thou shalt desamate (sp?) the third gens - showem who's their daddy. 
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Yeah, i think i overdid the smilies.
Nice to see yall keeping our 1st gen up and running ahead of the game even a decade down the road. Ken for example, is doing 0-60 in less than 7 secs and quarters in the 14s. Thats enough grunt to dust off a Bimmers e.g. that 330ci he spanked a while back, MB, and run with auto tranny 3rd gens. I say a job well done. It seems like the c32 motor has a lot of potential. Good job guys, keep it up. And to all u 2.5tl owners out there - i understand aftermarket support is limited, but there's always a way. Vigor MT tranny, custom turbo, etc. - be creative.
Echoing slownlow's sentiments: "We own luxo cruisers not rice burning pocket rockets; keep it custom but classy"
:gheywave: Yeah, i think i overdid the smilies.
Nice to see yall keeping our 1st gen up and running ahead of the game even a decade down the road. Ken for example, is doing 0-60 in less than 7 secs and quarters in the 14s. Thats enough grunt to dust off a Bimmers e.g. that 330ci he spanked a while back, MB, and run with auto tranny 3rd gens. I say a job well done. It seems like the c32 motor has a lot of potential. Good job guys, keep it up. And to all u 2.5tl owners out there - i understand aftermarket support is limited, but there's always a way. Vigor MT tranny, custom turbo, etc. - be creative. Echoing slownlow's sentiments: "We own luxo cruisers not rice burning pocket rockets; keep it custom but classy"
01-15-2005, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by spooky3ce
Cornflake and ken... you two considering MT??? that would kill... you two will be able to keep up with the 3rd gens... heard they have about 300hp... right??? i need to get my facts a bit straight... but man you guys are going all out with these conversions... can't wait to see you two tearing up the tracks...
i need to get my facts a bit straight... but man you guys are going all out with these conversions... can't wait to see you two tearing up the tracks...A 6 speed manual may be in the works but i'm looking at an '06 RL. '97 TL will either go to my brother or my g/f.
It all depends
01-16-2005, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Yeah, they're at 270 hp but more realistically 275 or 280 hp.
A 6 speed manual may be in the works but i'm looking at an '06 RL. '97 TL will either go to my brother or my g/f.
It all depends
A 6 speed manual may be in the works but i'm looking at an '06 RL. '97 TL will either go to my brother or my g/f.
It all depends
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Awesome job "big flake" (thats your new name haha) cant wait to see those dino numbers...Im gonna buy a new truck in the fall but im keepin my TL...that baby is not goin anywhere! my dad said that i should use it for trade in. SCREW THAT!...it'll be like givin up my child...crazy!
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Congrats Cornflake!! (Proud to see a Canadian Type II 1st Gen TL!!)
This may be an inappropriate spot to ask, but I've searched this forum and acura-lengend.com, and DV8 managed to put a RL block in his type II legend. Considering the 2002 RL is 225HP/224ft/lbs Torque, do you guys think that would fit in a 1st gen TL? (Very little information, but I can't find a site that confirms if the new engine in the 2002 RL is a J block or C block, but consumer guide says the RL didnt change engine platforms from 1996-2003).
This may be an inappropriate spot to ask, but I've searched this forum and acura-lengend.com, and DV8 managed to put a RL block in his type II legend. Considering the 2002 RL is 225HP/224ft/lbs Torque, do you guys think that would fit in a 1st gen TL? (Very little information, but I can't find a site that confirms if the new engine in the 2002 RL is a J block or C block, but consumer guide says the RL didnt change engine platforms from 1996-2003).
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Also Cornflake, mind if I ask where you got the type II engine? In Toronto? And if you don't mind, how much did it cost you? (Hope I'm not being too nosy!
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This is the first time i have seen a Type II engine! Wow. Looks like a pretty serious engine swap. Congrats. My younger brother has a 92' legend and it's his daily driver. I have the big daddy: 2000 3.2TL Of course though I have to pay for mine while he is part of the M&D financial club! Good luck with the swap and post some hard numbers when you are done!
Of course though I have to pay for mine while he is part of the M&D financial club! Good luck with the swap and post some hard numbers when you are done!
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Originally Posted by chocfullaflava
Congrats Cornflake!! (Proud to see a Canadian Type II 1st Gen TL!!)
This may be an inappropriate spot to ask, but I've searched this forum and acura-lengend.com, and DV8 managed to put a RL block in his type II legend. Considering the 2002 RL is 225HP/224ft/lbs Torque, do you guys think that would fit in a 1st gen TL? (Very little information, but I can't find a site that confirms if the new engine in the 2002 RL is a J block or C block, but consumer guide says the RL didnt change engine platforms from 1996-2003).
This may be an inappropriate spot to ask, but I've searched this forum and acura-lengend.com, and DV8 managed to put a RL block in his type II legend. Considering the 2002 RL is 225HP/224ft/lbs Torque, do you guys think that would fit in a 1st gen TL? (Very little information, but I can't find a site that confirms if the new engine in the 2002 RL is a J block or C block, but consumer guide says the RL didnt change engine platforms from 1996-2003).
Its has a longer stroke so it has a slightly taller deck height, just removing the plastic cover should suffice.
We now have TWO 1st gen TL's with the Type II head swap
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
The '96 - '04 RL is a C35 engine. And yes, its a direct fit
Its has a longer stroke so it has a slightly taller deck height, just removing the plastic cover should suffice.
We now have TWO 1st gen TL's with the Type II head swap
Its has a longer stroke so it has a slightly taller deck height, just removing the plastic cover should suffice.
We now have TWO 1st gen TL's with the Type II head swap
I haven't had time (or a car to drive!) to run around and pick up the last few items. Now have the Scirocco fixed, so next weeks day off will be spent picking up the last few gaskets and dropping them off at the shop. Soon as I do that, the following Friday car will be brought in to get the motors swapped!! WOHOOO!!! MiGHT ACTUALLY HAVE MY RIDE RUNNIN BEFORE SPRING!!!
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FINALLY got over to the dealer yesterday and ordered and payed for the last few parts needed to at least get the new motor ready to go!!! Still have to get a new rad and type II ecu before it can go into the car, but at least now my boy can start tearing it open and porting out the heads and intake... Ken, I GOTTA find the bayou chip to go with it too....how much are they again? Do you have the dude's contact that makes them?
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Originally Posted by Cornflake
FINALLY got over to the dealer yesterday and ordered and payed for the last few parts needed to at least get the new motor ready to go!!! Still have to get a new rad and type II ecu before it can go into the car, but at least now my boy can start tearing it open and porting out the heads and intake... Ken, I GOTTA find the bayou chip to go with it too....how much are they again? Do you have the dude's contact that makes them?
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So I spoke with the Bayou guys, they are gonna send me a chipped ECU, so that just means I don't have to find one somewhere else. SOOO...Calculating HP with a CONSERVATIVE addition for the porting of the intake and heads, the muffler (soon to be 3" cat-back), and the short-ram intake....I am figuring about 265-270 HP total.....HOLY S#$% this car is gonna be nuts...I think now I'm gona have to add a sneaky pete 40 shot of spray to push me over the 300 HP mark.....
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Nice...
02-15-2005, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cornflake
So I spoke with the Bayou guys, they are gonna send me a chipped ECU, so that just means I don't have to find one somewhere else. SOOO...Calculating HP with a CONSERVATIVE addition for the porting of the intake and heads, the muffler (soon to be 3" cat-back), and the short-ram intake....I am figuring about 265-270 HP total.....HOLY S#$% this car is gonna be nuts...I think now I'm gona have to add a sneaky pete 40 shot of spray to push me over the 300 HP mark.....
If u dont mind me asking, i got 2 ?s
1. How much $$$ is this costing (type II bayou chip)
2. Whats the contact info if someone wants to get this chip.
Thanks and props to you. BTW, do you think that the 270ish HP your gonna be putting out is gonna mess up ur tranny?
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
i heard that quite a few bayou chips had problems i.e. when installed in legends, the tcs light would come on and the cars would not rev over 4000rpm. Hopefully the chip their sending u has none of these problems.
If u dont mind me asking, i got 2 ?s
1. How much $$$ is this costing (type II bayou chip)
2. Whats the contact info if someone wants to get this chip.
Thanks and props to you. BTW, do you think that the 270ish HP your gonna be putting out is gonna mess up ur tranny?
If u dont mind me asking, i got 2 ?s
1. How much $$$ is this costing (type II bayou chip)
2. Whats the contact info if someone wants to get this chip.
Thanks and props to you. BTW, do you think that the 270ish HP your gonna be putting out is gonna mess up ur tranny?
02-16-2005, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken1997TL
Most of those problems were because TCS equipped cars need their own chip. I'm guessing those people bought the wrong chip (meant for non-TCS vehicles)
Also, alot of problems were from other chips that were made as COPIES of the Bayou chips. Bayou is the company that actually bought the license from Dinan. There was another guy who was supposedly making chips with a COPY of the bayou/dinan program, and these were the ones that had more problems.
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Originally Posted by vishnus11
i heard that quite a few bayou chips had problems i.e. when installed in legends, the tcs light would come on and the cars would not rev over 4000rpm. Hopefully the chip their sending u has none of these problems.
If u dont mind me asking, i got 2 ?s
1. How much $$$ is this costing (type II bayou chip)
2. Whats the contact info if someone wants to get this chip.
Thanks and props to you. BTW, do you think that the 270ish HP your gonna be putting out is gonna mess up ur tranny?
If u dont mind me asking, i got 2 ?s
1. How much $$$ is this costing (type II bayou chip)
2. Whats the contact info if someone wants to get this chip.
Thanks and props to you. BTW, do you think that the 270ish HP your gonna be putting out is gonna mess up ur tranny?
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Damn that's a big engine... What car is it from?
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Originally Posted by Cornflake
SIZE and BLOCK wise, it's exactly the same as ours (3.2L). It's from a Legend GS sedan. 30 more HP than the TL's (which is the same as the Legend LS sedan) due to better head design. I am having it mildly ported and polished and adding the Bayou ECU. I am SLIGHTLY worried about the tranny. There is a guy on CarDomain who says he re-programmed his tranny to increase the fluid pressure, which I WANT to do, but I haven't been able to get a hold of him to find out where he got the programmer for it. If the tranny DOES give out, it will be the perfect opportunity to do my 5 or 6 spd conversion.
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Also Cornflake, mind if I ask where you got the type II engine? In Toronto? And if you don't mind, how much did it cost you? (Hope I'm not being too nosy!
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Originally Posted by HQuakers
This car will be so badass if you can get it over the 300hp mark. Wow...incredible. I don't really know what to say..wow.