I'm just dying to see what kind of comments these anti-speed activists are going to dish out. I can see it now: "Hey!! Speeding on public roads is bad but...driving too slowly...ummmm....well....and more accidents being caused at low speeds.....ummm...that's...ummm....right too!! So what have we learned from this? It's safer not to drive on public roads at all!!! Just hire a wrecker service to haul your cars directly to the track!!!

 

I live about 45 min south of Chicago and anything past that is two lane corn field roads that consist of perfectly flat pavement with minimal weathering or pot holes so I went about 30 min south with a friend where there is absolutly no one...turned on the high beams and drove down the road once at normal speed to see whats on the road, like roadkill or bumps....there was none so I turned on the high beams and punched it...got up to 147. Coulda got up to a little higher...maybe...but there was an intersection coming up in a little less than a quarter mile...lol...my dad also did the Richard Petty experience at Daytona and I think he got up to the 180 range...

 

Mr. Sideswipe (sigh) If you are going to doggedly pursue this un-related argument; please....at least....read the article that you have provided.

The researchers make it abundantly clear that the vast majority of fatal accidents occur at lower speeds because that is where the vast majority of all driving (and hence most accidents) occurs.

Regarding Mr. Newton; please review this excerpt from (page 1) of the article you provided (I've used bold for your benefit):

translation:

A) Impact force increases by the square of velocity, i.e. ; double the speed from say 50 to 100 and you have quadrupled the impact force (and stopping energy required).

B) Many more cars at 50 vs 100 means many more crashes at 50 vs 100. The greater number of low speed crashes means the lower percentage of fatalities in that category will roughly equal the near certain fatalities in the small group of high speed crashes.

Others have noted that it is ill-advised to respond to your posts, so this will be my last.

But Dude, WHY are you so angry?

For compliance: about 120 mph on the autobahn.

 

Just curious, Swideswipe, do you even read the articles you reference or just pull out tidbits of info in dire attempts to solidify your weakening position?

First it was the drag car which put on a demonstration during a parade on a public road - the end result, people killed, and YOU thought it was innocent bystanders dying at a santioned event at a track. Nice job admitting your misinterpretation of the article...

Now you've pulled a small quote from an article without reading the entire article...or perhaps you merely can't grasp basic concepts while reading the article.

You speed excessively on public roads - good for you. I'm just glad I don't live anywhere near you or anyone like you.

At least you didn't make any personal attacks in your latest post - you're doing so good here on this forum....good boy.

 

From your article:

This analysis supports Swedish research (Nilsson 1993) which suggests a fourth power relationship between mean traffic speed and the proportion of fatal crashes. A 3% reduction in mean traffic speeds can produce a 12% reduction in fatal crashes. On this basis measures which reduced mean traffic speeds by 2km/h in urban areas and 3km/h in rural areas would have saved 71 fatal crashes, 342 serious crashes and 1191 other injury crashes in NSW during 1994.

A similar relationship between initial travel speed and risk of fatality exists with cars hitting pedestrians, except that, in effect, the probability of a fatality reaches 100% at an impact speed of 60km/h (see "Vehicle Travel Speeds and the Incidence of Fatal Pedestrian Crashes" by Anderson, McLean, Farmer, Lee and Brooks, J. Acc Anal. and Prev, Sept 1997)


Not to fret, Sideswipe, I'm positive you didn't read the entire article...

 

Hmm....I appreciate both sides of the argument. With that said, here goes.

185 + MPH - 2001 Kawasaki ZX12R - On a track. Could go faster with the mods I had at the time, but space was limited....if you know what I mean. You are covering something like a football field a second at those speeds. I figured the bike was good for 200 - 205 MPH, but never saw it. I know Muzzys ran a stock 2000 ZX12 to over 200 MPH with just an exhaust.

My new addition (Ava) has significantly changed my outlook on a lot of crazy shit I used to love to do. Now, the adrenaline rush doesn't seem as nearly important as me being around for her and her mom.

60 MPH (100 km/h) - My new RDX. Still only have 102 kms on it.

 

I more than read the entire article, genius. But the point is what I quoted from the article and put in enlarged type above. More accidents are caused at lower speeds. We're not talking about the probability of death being higher at higher speeds. The point, once again, is that more accidents occur at lower speeds, so build your public service anouncement around that, Ranger Rick.

 

But Ranger Rick made the point that there are many more accidents at lower speeds because many more people drive at speeds at or near the limit. Didn't he?

So the statement should be that more accidents happen at lower speed. Not that they are caused by lower speed. Right?

Surely you do not suggest that everyone drive faster? Even drivers with marginal skills?

 

Yeah... I totally agree with your points... I thought we were talking about losing control of the car at high speeds and the potential fatality that accompanies that lost of car control. Sure auto accidents occur at slow speeds too... heck, even cyclists can have self-incurred accidents travelling at 10-20 km/h. A car hitting a cyclist at < 50 km/h can lead to severe injury, but a car hitting a cyclist at 180 km/h is certainly fatal. Is it easier to avoid hitting someone at 50 km/h (assuming you are the ofending or guilty party in the accident) or travelling at 180 km/h? Of course this point is mute if you are drunk... which i am sure some of you will bring up...

Anyway, someone here made a perfect point, the original poster simply asked what was the highest speed one took in the RDX, he didn't say where or how... but it sort of relegated to people raising the bar each time, to like 180 mph, wow...

for the record... fastest in the RDX for me... 75 mph on the interstate I5 in washington state, speed limit 70mph and also in Montana I90 @ 80mph (speed limit > 70mph?). RDX seemed to be going strong and definitely felt that it had the juice to go more... but I didn't need to go any faster on the public roads to prove to myself or to anyone that this would be true... I am contented to know that my RDX has gobbles of torque to accelerate to pass a slow moving vehicle or to get out of trouble...

 

The point is that Ranger Rick and the rest of the cast from 'Reno 911' are hell bent on ridiculing people that drive above the speed limit on public roads when most of the accidents that occur happen below or at the speed limit, so Ranger Rick needs to go holler at all them law abiding citizens instead of wasting keystrokes on us evil, baby killing, body snatching, blood drinking law breakers.

 

Dude, you'd make even more sense if you came across even angrier. Try it for my entertainment.

 

Nah, I'm doing fine just the way I am. I'll leave acting like an ass to you good law-abiding, neighborhood watch, conservative, christian citizens.

 

To add to this wonderful thread, 178mph in the GN indicated by my scantool and an indicated 151mph in the TL. In the GN the freeway was completely clear except for a CL55 Mercedes that I humiliated and no one else on the road in the TL. Other than a one time trip to top speed just to see what they would do I stick to the 1/4 mile or even less in the GN on the street. Both times I took them up there there was no one to kill but myself.

 

Damn that's a hellified car. Go faster! Faster!!

 

More accidents occur at lower speeds because most of the general population is driving at lower speeds. How many people excessively speed on public roads? A very small % compared to total drivers.

By the way, my name isn't Rick...

 

You're actually LEAVING???? We could only be so lucky.

 

True... of the many cars on the typical city road or hwy, there may be like only 10% or less who drive like idiots weaving in and out at high speeds or flying down at speeds in excess of 120 mph.

Animagix posted this earlier:
"It is dangerous on open road, a lot of people are guilty of driving fast when they feel they're not endangering anyone and I myself have been guilty of it at one time or another.

Though, an 11 point suspension for speeding a few years ago kept my speeding on the tracks. And I think I got very lucky, a few more mph on the radar they would've taken my audi.

Just be safe and responsible."

Animagix who posted this thread, had stated very well that all these high speed tests of any car, should be kept to the tracks... if it was okay and lawful to do excessive speeds on public roads, whether its empty of other cars or pedestrains or not, then there would be signs that say "Excessive speed permitted on road ONLY when you are the only car or person around".

I do honestly believe in those specs that Acura put out on the performance capability of the RDX, like it's top speed and high speed cornering capability, but I would certainly not want to break the law, or endanger myself/family or anyone else nearby, just to prove those numbers on a public road to myself and just to feel the thrill...

The only times I actually pushed any car to its limits was on the tracks... I last time I did this was a couple of years ago in my BMW 330i at a BMW performance driving program... Man, it was exhilrating to corner at speeds around 70-80 mph, and feel the drift in the car...and hitting speeds around 140-150 mph. I got to feel what it was like to "race" in a GT series track... There, I was only proving to myself the potential of that 330i, while not breaking any law or endangering other people... I learned on the track to respect the limits of a car... and how to get out of a skid or safely avoid another car skidding towards you... There, if you get into trouble, you hit into tire barricades or off into a grass patch...

The public road is not a testing track, period... Its not about trying to be conservative, righteous or religious... its the public law that we all have to live under...

It is so sad to see the original theme of Animagix's thread relegate to every type of car from TL to Accord, to whatever, stating their high speed prowess on public roads and folks cheering on this kind of attitude...

 

To the people doing those kinds of speeds on public roads...

You are all MORONS and probably won't stop until you wind up killing an innocent person.

Grow up and get a clue.

 

And of the morons previously referred to....you look like the King.

 

I was going to stay out of this debate but I can't help myself...

I've been into cars since I could drive and had a 13 sec car when I was 17 which over the years has become a 10 second car. It does require a lot of self control and respect on the street. I drive like a grandpa 99% of the time but there's that itch that gets me every now and then to light the tires at a 50mph roll or put an 80hp lowered stickered winged Civic in it's place. Funny thing is I have never had an accident in the 14 years I've been driving. Or even a speeding ticket for that matter.

I see more people get in accidents because they're on the cell phone and not paying attention in general. After being in Europe for a couple months I realized that Americans as a whole just can't drive in a panic situation. I watched a little old Greek lady do a perfect stop, modulating the brakes perfectly to avoid a wreck. Over here, if the rear end steps out an inch, the average driver jerks on the steering wheel and slams on the brakes causing a spin and resulting accident. I would rather go fast with someone that knew how to drive than drive to the store with my mom driving. Of course the accidents are more likely to be fatal with more speed.

There's a time and place for everything. I do not condone weaving in and out of traffic at insane speeds and I've been known more than once to pull people out of their cars and let them know how I feel about it. On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with stretching the legs a little on an open road where the only one you're going to kill is yourself. I used to street race every weekend but it was on an old farm road with one entrance that we blocked off and a field on either side. No chance of killing innocent people. The only thing I hated was people would stand inches from my car while I was doing my burnout. I figured if they were that stupid they deserved to get whatever derbris I kicked up or their toes torn off.

And the track is much safer than the street. Lanes are much wider, proper barriers, medics and fire on scene, plenty of shutdown space, and one important thing-- no one to pull out in front of you.

 

Agreed. Generally, performance enthusiasts are the best and safest drivers because they are attuned to the road, have far greater situational awareness and know their car's limits. Plus, the vehicles they drive can accelerate, steer and stop to avoid danger.

Most, but not all, performance drivers understand that speed = danger and requires keen judgement. Most, but not all, realize that they are responsible to those around them.

Conversely, the hordes of dull drones in their Camrys and Stratus's choke the roads at 8 and 5; multi-tasking as if they're still in the cubicle. They treat the car like a Maytag....till they hit Rinse and Spin and end up Permanantly Pressed.

 

Lots of talk about top speed in gen 3's. How about for gen two TL-S's?

 

Okay, Bob.

 

fyi: i just made one one of those speed signs(radar that shows your speed) go up to 83 (limit 25). my goal is to get one of those bastards to 100+. those sign's MAKE me speed cuz i wasn't even thinking about punching it until i saw it.

 

You probably want to ask in the 2G TL forum instead of the RDX forum....

 

I have to agree with most of your points stated here... when you say stretching the legs a little, on a farm road closed off and kind of isolated from the general public roads, I think that would be reasonable and very prudent on your side...

And again, you have echoed what a number of people here have tried to convey the message... "And the track is much safer than the street. Lanes are much wider, proper barriers, medics and fire on scene, plenty of shutdown space, and one important thing-- no one to pull out in front of you."

I also agree with you that many accidents were caused by drivers on cell phones, even when they were only driving at 50 mph. That kind of erks me too...
Consider a busy street with moving but heavy traffic going at an average of 30-40 mph, a car moving at 70-80 mph in that kind of traffic, would be considered speeding excessively, would it not? He/she may think he has great driving skills, and can avoid anything that might suddenly come out on the road, but it is a busy street, and moving at 70 mph will not be easy to make quick maneuvers to get out of trouble...

On the other hand, if there were designated high speed interstate freeways like that in Germany, i.e. autobahn, I would say go for it and "stretch your legs and push that car a little"...

I saw on youtube, where a car on an interstate suddenly broke down and tried to move to the side of the freeway, the couple of cars coming from behind were moving pretty fast, slammed right into the broken down car... one after the other... did that driver whose car broke down wanted to have that situation... of course not... and those cars coming from behind were really moving really fast, had no chance to brake in time... they tried to steer out of the way, but at such high speed, no chance... there were a few cars travelling much slower, just managed to swerve out of the way, only just... the accident was a really bad one... the occupants in those cars were clearly pretty badly injured... ambulances and police arrive...
I know this is an odd example and the drivers in that accident did not anticipate what was going to happen... but it simply shows that at super high speeds, severe accidents leading to fatality can happen very quickly, unexpectedly...

it sure feels exhilarating to see your car fly by other people's cars and enjoy that brief moment of superiority, but that moment can also be quickly fleeting, an obstruction can suddenly appear in front of your car unexpectedly... for other people and yourself...

 

Intelligent response, Sideswipe. You are truly a valued asset to this community.

 

I tried dialing up one of those posted radars too. This one was one of those permanent deals not the one on the back of a trailor the cops leave on the side of the road. I was doing about 100 and it dialed up to 80 and just blinked out! Why the hell would it blink out (showing no digits at all) if you go over 80mph? Crazy.

BTW, I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in years and the last wreck I was in the other person was considered at fault. A word to the wise: You better have damn good insurance if the other person has Allstate. Apparently, Allstate has this clause that if the other person is at fault at least 1% they will not pay the claim. Unfortunately, their insured was drunk, admitted he had a few drinks to the police officer, oh, and he was also underaged. I won the case.

 

Thank you, Michael. I pride myself in being such a valued asset that I have the capacity to even provide people that present a pointless counterargument with the only information they had to support their argument with, which still didn't help in their case.

 

In all the excitement I didn't post the fastest I've ever gone. I did just barely past 140 on a four lane stretch of highway with sparse traffic. The road surface was smooth as silk. On the average I hit over 100mph at least four times a week. And, yep, I haven't had a ticket in years nor have I been in an accident.


Reno 911 answer: You're going to run out of luck one day buddy and kill somebody!!!

 

 

i did 135 this mornin on 495....im always late to leave werk but i always get there on time

 

Hell yeah!!! NEED FOR SPEED!!! There needs to be a "Fastest you've ever gone in a turn" thread. The fastest I've gone in a turn - like a 360 degree entrance ramp - was 60 on a 45mph ramp.

 

My fans. Thank you, thank you. No autographs please. Please step away from my CLS. No finger prints and nose smudges on my windows please.

 

I am sure there are many in this forum who would agree with your sentiments totally... a very very lost soul indeed... the avatar speaks a lot about the character behind the postings... so sad... oh well... while the sun still shines, there is still hope yet for such souls...
it is one thing to seem brave to boast behind the safety of postings in a thread/forum, and present a totally wild and crazy character behind all that bravada... it is another to really do it, and challenge the law in the face of a real situation where a cop is right by there... "Hey cop, see... going by yer at 150 mph...what can you do about it!!!"

lots of smoke blown around here... senseless and irrational smoke...

 

I wonder why you never see people like this ridiculing and harrassing members in the street encounters forum? I'm going to make this the longest thread in the history of Acurazine's existence.

 

Thanks, Paul, for your noteworthy imput.

 

That seems to be a major leap. The agruement that Ranger Rick presents has a missing piece of data, that being the percentage of accidents in each group vrs all vehicles in that group.

I would also assert that most accidents happen at of near posted speeds, because people who speed and then hit someone usually tell the cops and insurance companies that they were not speeding. How often do you think that cops measure the skid marks, and interview witnesses.

Perhaps Ranger does not Really care if you slam your car into a tree at 140.
Maybe he just does not want to be struck by you when your superior driving skills fail you.

 

I don't know about every state in North America but 99.9% of the time if there's a high speed collision (whether inanimate object or another vehicle) the cops are going to go the whole nine yards (i.e. breathalizer, measure length/depth of skidmarks, etc.) or they'd look pretty stupid having gaps in the info on the accident report - even in some smaller cities unless maybe it's one of them Mayberry-sized towns, so the person at fault cannot lie. In many cases the cops don't even bother to measure the skidmarks if it isn't a serious accident. They just estimate the speed by the amount of damage done to the vehicle(s).

Ranger Rick and the cast from Reno 911 won't have to worry about guys like me slamming into them primarily because, first of all, I'm an experienced driver that's knocking on the door of middle age. Let Ranger Rick worry about the teenagers that borrow dad's Corvette or some sweet sixteen kid that just got a brand new car.

 

am I they only one who is mildly freaked out at people taking pictures of the Speedo
at 145 mph. if you going to do that please at least buy a camera with stability control
or something