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03-23-2004, 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by LCARUCA 97
Its been dyno proven that anything over 87 will degrade performance in the f22a. And thats a real dyno, not a butt dyno.
Its been dyno proven that anything over 87 will degrade performance in the f22a. And thats a real dyno, not a butt dyno.
03-24-2004, 08:41 AM
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As the octane number increases the tendency for the air/fuel mixture to detonate is reduced and the speed of the flame front in the engine is also reduced. This means that the point of maximum combustion pressure in your cylinder occurs later with 93 octane than 87 octane. The later that max pressure occurs the less force/torque is produced by the engine.
Only cars with higher compression, more advance timming, etc can benefit from higher octane by moving the point of maximum combustion pressure closer to piston TDC.
Also consider the following:
All grades of gas have the same amount of additives and detergents. The oil industriy want you to believe otherwise so that people buy their 93 octane gas and they pocket a higher profit. Remember 5 years ago all the commercial about getting better performance form premium gas. These commercials are no longer around because they got sued due to false advertisement.
It take 10 times more petrolem to produce 1 gallon of 93 octane that it does to produce 1 gallon of 87 regular. Why? Higher octane requires further refinement in order to get the lower octane molecules out therefore more oil is used.
So if you want to pay 20 cents for for each gallon, get less power and less mileage and help us get fu....ed by the oil producing countires be my guest.
Only cars with higher compression, more advance timming, etc can benefit from higher octane by moving the point of maximum combustion pressure closer to piston TDC.
Also consider the following:
All grades of gas have the same amount of additives and detergents. The oil industriy want you to believe otherwise so that people buy their 93 octane gas and they pocket a higher profit. Remember 5 years ago all the commercial about getting better performance form premium gas. These commercials are no longer around because they got sued due to false advertisement.
It take 10 times more petrolem to produce 1 gallon of 93 octane that it does to produce 1 gallon of 87 regular. Why? Higher octane requires further refinement in order to get the lower octane molecules out therefore more oil is used.
So if you want to pay 20 cents for for each gallon, get less power and less mileage and help us get fu....ed by the oil producing countires be my guest.
03-24-2004, 02:27 PM
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jeez :ripped: thanks for the info bro. shit works for me tho if i put in the 89 i get bad gas milage?? oh well go with what ya know!!
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Originally posted by judpri86
As the octane number increases the tendency for the air/fuel mixture to detonate is reduced and the speed of the flame front in the engine is also reduced. This means that the point of maximum combustion pressure in your cylinder occurs later with 93 octane than 87 octane. The later that max pressure occurs the less force/torque is produced by the engine.
Only cars with higher compression, more advance timming, etc can benefit from higher octane by moving the point of maximum combustion pressure closer to piston TDC.
Also consider the following:
All grades of gas have the same amount of additives and detergents. The oil industriy want you to believe otherwise so that people buy their 93 octane gas and they pocket a higher profit. Remember 5 years ago all the commercial about getting better performance form premium gas. These commercials are no longer around because they got sued due to false advertisement.
It take 10 times more petrolem to produce 1 gallon of 93 octane that it does to produce 1 gallon of 87 regular. Why? Higher octane requires further refinement in order to get the lower octane molecules out therefore more oil is used.
So if you want to pay 20 cents for for each gallon, get less power and less mileage and help us get fu....ed by the oil producing countires be my guest.
As the octane number increases the tendency for the air/fuel mixture to detonate is reduced and the speed of the flame front in the engine is also reduced. This means that the point of maximum combustion pressure in your cylinder occurs later with 93 octane than 87 octane. The later that max pressure occurs the less force/torque is produced by the engine.
Only cars with higher compression, more advance timming, etc can benefit from higher octane by moving the point of maximum combustion pressure closer to piston TDC.
Also consider the following:
All grades of gas have the same amount of additives and detergents. The oil industriy want you to believe otherwise so that people buy their 93 octane gas and they pocket a higher profit. Remember 5 years ago all the commercial about getting better performance form premium gas. These commercials are no longer around because they got sued due to false advertisement.
It take 10 times more petrolem to produce 1 gallon of 93 octane that it does to produce 1 gallon of 87 regular. Why? Higher octane requires further refinement in order to get the lower octane molecules out therefore more oil is used.
So if you want to pay 20 cents for for each gallon, get less power and less mileage and help us get fu....ed by the oil producing countires be my guest.
03-24-2004, 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by DrDre1443
if you dont care about wasting money, use what you want.
our cars were designed for 87 stock
turbo or NOS, use 93
if you dont care about wasting money, use what you want.
our cars were designed for 87 stock
turbo or NOS, use 93
I can almost bet no one on this board has NOS.....you need to live in the now and call it nitrous!!!!! please.
and 87 is good enough.
03-25-2004, 01:11 AM
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Well I don't know about that it is entirely true about the higher octance causing the flame to combust later, I mean if this is true why use race gas. Isn't it a higher octane? I use 93 with 2 in 1 restore feul injectore cleaner. I have ran all three types of gas and this is the best. My dad works for shell and I don't care what others tell you the 93 is better for the engine. Its cleaner and more effiecent.
03-25-2004, 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by roddymerritt
Well I don't know about that it is entirely true about the higher octance causing the flame to combust later, I mean if this is true why use race gas. Isn't it a higher octane? I use 93 with 2 in 1 restore feul injectore cleaner. I have ran all three types of gas and this is the best. My dad works for shell and I don't care what others tell you the 93 is better for the engine. Its cleaner and more effiecent.
Well I don't know about that it is entirely true about the higher octance causing the flame to combust later, I mean if this is true why use race gas. Isn't it a higher octane? I use 93 with 2 in 1 restore feul injectore cleaner. I have ran all three types of gas and this is the best. My dad works for shell and I don't care what others tell you the 93 is better for the engine. Its cleaner and more effiecent.
www.google.com go read on up octane buddy, then get back to us when you are in tears over the money you have wasted. Higher octane doesn't burn any cleaner or is any more efficent than a lower octane. With our engines, you actually LOSE efficency and power with higher octane. Your car's computer is smarter than you.
03-26-2004, 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by proaudio22
So what are you saying - neither you or your dad is very bright?
www.google.com go read on up octane buddy, then get back to us when you are in tears over the money you have wasted. Higher octane doesn't burn any cleaner or is any more efficent than a lower octane. With our engines, you actually LOSE efficency and power with higher octane. Your car's computer is smarter than you.
So what are you saying - neither you or your dad is very bright?
www.google.com go read on up octane buddy, then get back to us when you are in tears over the money you have wasted. Higher octane doesn't burn any cleaner or is any more efficent than a lower octane. With our engines, you actually LOSE efficency and power with higher octane. Your car's computer is smarter than you.
:swear2: oh snap you told him and got the
to back it , shit you convinced me :ripped: is how i feel no more 93 for me , saving me $$ thank you , this means more $$ to chief on :blaze:
03-26-2004, 03:06 PM
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did i lose ya? i didnt think that it was that hard to fallow?? i was just sayin thanks for the $$ you are going to save me on future gas tanks, thanks Bro!
03-26-2004, 03:22 PM
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If you think about it the difference between 87 and 93 is approx. $3.00 when filled up. For me, the yearly difference is only $150. So I go with 93.
But if you tell me that 93 actually do no good but harm the engine (less efficient and less torque), I might switch to 87 instead.
But if you tell me that 93 actually do no good but harm the engine (less efficient and less torque), I might switch to 87 instead.
03-26-2004, 03:31 PM
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and it'll most likely clog up your injectors cause the fuel isn't being burned faste nough.
Thanks for covering this one OG's, I tried to avoid this topic this time
Thanks for covering this one OG's, I tried to avoid this topic this time
03-26-2004, 03:34 PM
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I learned something new everyday! Thanks guys.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/octane.htm
03-28-2004, 10:55 AM
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Well I'll leave you with your 87 and I hope that when you go to the track and the guy next to you with race gas blows you away I hope that 87 is burning fast enough
03-28-2004, 11:30 AM
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Using anything other than 87 on a basically stock engine provides no benefit. Honda designed the car to use 87. So unless you add a Turbo or Supercharger, you get nothing by spending the extra $$$ on 91.
On another note, Honda did think about adding 10-15hp to our car, but that would have required 91. I think they had a change of heart, since I'm sure all new Acuras need 91 now (possible with exception to RSX).
On another note, Honda did think about adding 10-15hp to our car, but that would have required 91. I think they had a change of heart, since I'm sure all new Acuras need 91 now (possible with exception to RSX).
03-28-2004, 12:14 PM
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I do feel that each of you should use the gas you think its best.
I think the best gas for me is Amoco premium. Allow me to tell you why I believe this.
First, all gasolines are required to have minimum ingredients, such as cleaners, as was mentioned earlier. That does not mean that all gases have the same level, just that they all have at least that minimum level. Some gasolines, such as Amoco premium, contain extra levels of detergent over and above what is requred by law. This helps keep deposits from forming.
Amoco premium also contains less sulfur than most fuels. This reduces polution.
I recently read an article in a motorcycle magazine about different fuel grades. The author stated that in his experience of rebulding engines that had been using the recomended fuel grade (regular), and comparing them to engines that used premium, that the engines using regular had much more deposits and contamination than those using premium.
Engine knock is not always detectable by hearing. That is why some engines have knock sensors to automatically detect knock and adjust engine timing until the knocking dissapears.
Overall, even with the additional expense, I feel premium fuels such as Amoco is the better choice over the long haul.
I think the best gas for me is Amoco premium. Allow me to tell you why I believe this.
First, all gasolines are required to have minimum ingredients, such as cleaners, as was mentioned earlier. That does not mean that all gases have the same level, just that they all have at least that minimum level. Some gasolines, such as Amoco premium, contain extra levels of detergent over and above what is requred by law. This helps keep deposits from forming.
Amoco premium also contains less sulfur than most fuels. This reduces polution.
I recently read an article in a motorcycle magazine about different fuel grades. The author stated that in his experience of rebulding engines that had been using the recomended fuel grade (regular), and comparing them to engines that used premium, that the engines using regular had much more deposits and contamination than those using premium.
Engine knock is not always detectable by hearing. That is why some engines have knock sensors to automatically detect knock and adjust engine timing until the knocking dissapears.
Overall, even with the additional expense, I feel premium fuels such as Amoco is the better choice over the long haul.
03-28-2004, 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Morris
I do feel that each of you should use the gas you think its best.
I think the best gas for me is Amoco premium. Allow me to tell you why I believe this.
First, all gasolines are required to have minimum ingredients, such as cleaners, as was mentioned earlier. That does not mean that all gases have the same level, just that they all have at least that minimum level. Some gasolines, such as Amoco premium, contain extra levels of detergent over and above what is requred by law. This helps keep deposits from forming.
Amoco premium also contains less sulfur than most fuels. This reduces polution.
I recently read an article in a motorcycle magazine about different fuel grades. The author stated that in his experience of rebulding engines that had been using the recomended fuel grade (regular), and comparing them to engines that used premium, that the engines using regular had much more deposits and contamination than those using premium.
Engine knock is not always detectable by hearing. That is why some engines have knock sensors to automatically detect knock and adjust engine timing until the knocking dissapears.
Overall, even with the additional expense, I feel premium fuels such as Amoco is the better choice over the long haul.
I do feel that each of you should use the gas you think its best.
I think the best gas for me is Amoco premium. Allow me to tell you why I believe this.
First, all gasolines are required to have minimum ingredients, such as cleaners, as was mentioned earlier. That does not mean that all gases have the same level, just that they all have at least that minimum level. Some gasolines, such as Amoco premium, contain extra levels of detergent over and above what is requred by law. This helps keep deposits from forming.
Amoco premium also contains less sulfur than most fuels. This reduces polution.
I recently read an article in a motorcycle magazine about different fuel grades. The author stated that in his experience of rebulding engines that had been using the recomended fuel grade (regular), and comparing them to engines that used premium, that the engines using regular had much more deposits and contamination than those using premium.
Engine knock is not always detectable by hearing. That is why some engines have knock sensors to automatically detect knock and adjust engine timing until the knocking dissapears.
Overall, even with the additional expense, I feel premium fuels such as Amoco is the better choice over the long haul.
03-28-2004, 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by roddymerritt
Well I'll leave you with your 87 and I hope that when you go to the track and the guy next to you with race gas blows you away I hope that 87 is burning fast enough
Well I'll leave you with your 87 and I hope that when you go to the track and the guy next to you with race gas blows you away I hope that 87 is burning fast enough
dude, it's been DYNO PROVEN, that our car produces the most power off of 87
what part of that is hard to understand? Race gas is for the guys w/ high compression or boosting motors, not for these things
03-29-2004, 10:23 AM
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ha ha ha ya all are reall fun to read wit - like a buch of kids out on the playground " i am right " "no no i am right you are wrong"
come on guys we are all going to use what ever you like the best. what i want to knwo is this thred really going to influence your gas purchases???
come on guys we are all going to use what ever you like the best. what i want to knwo is this thred really going to influence your gas purchases???