CL Platano

Taxes are coming back and may be thinking of just doing the turbo on our whip instead of a swap. Which is more economical?
http://www.turbo-kits.com/accord_turbo_kits.html

froggystyle14

my opinion is do the h22 swap then on next years tax refund, get the turbo for it....

pebe

Each one would probably cost about the same, so I would do the H22 just for reliability purposes.

xrunner86x

Im a fan of the turbo but for economy the H22 would be a better choice.

jandj2204

just think about whats best for u..but heres how i look at it..the f22-f23 are roughly 145 horsepower throw a turbo on that and u lookin at about 250
H22a your lookin at 2-215hp stock...next years tax return comes around and your lookin at 300hp after turbo. Throw in some internals(they make everything for this motor...valve springs,retainers,camshafts,crankshaft,pistons,rod s,sleeves...and the list goes on)
Go with option number one and you will be satisfied...
go with option number two and everytime you pas 5000rpm you will be nautious with your organs slamming into your spine..dont forget the neck snapping effects as well...well at least thats my

legendaryCL98

ive never heard a F22 or F23 w/turbo in person.. does it sound pretty aggresive?

i say get a turbo for your F22.. be different

that way... u could answer all the nubie questions about 2.x turbos.. haha

Blenz

The only turbo I've seen on the f22b CL is the FMAX kit that niedejb put into his. Check out http://http://home.insightbb.com/~niedejb/index.html to see his full installation of the FMAX turbo kit.

Zerostatic

Go Turbo
H22>F22
Turbo F22>H22
Turbo F22 > Turbo H22

I don't know where some of you get your info but F-Series are made better for Boost then H22's

klepto

isnt xrunner86x running a boosted f22 as well?

klepto

yea thats what i heard. even a n/a h22 doesnt gain that much more power with regular mods like i/h/e

baka_t

I would go with either the rev hard setup, or the drag setup with a tial wastegate. The drag is a/c compatible, if that matters to you.

lnsyone

You can't just say right off the back that an h22-turbo will make 300 hp or an f22-turbo will make 250 hp. Power is determined by your setup and its tuning.

By doing all this, you need to know what you want to do with your car. If you want to slap on a turbo just for the hell of it, then you should buy a turbo kit that they have on the market. If you want to make serious power, then you should piece out a "kit" that suits your needs.

If you do turbo an h22, you must realize that the ringlands of the piston are weak and will most likely crack or break even at suggested 7-9 psi. The cylinder walls of the h22's are weak and they won't hold up if you decide to crank up the boost. I highly recomend not turbo'ing an h22 if you don't plan on building your motor because the chances of it blowing is most likely.

I don't know too much about f22/23 turbos but from what I have heard, they are more reliable under boost than the h22.

So, if you want reliability you should cosider turbo'ing the f22/23. If you want real power, consider turbo'ing the h22. There are a few things you need to do to make the h22 reliable, but once you have taken care of those things, you'd have a nice little monster.

(Don't get me wrong, either way you choose, make sure to have the car properly tuned. With a shitty tune, you'd have an un-reliable car.)

jandj2204

naa..i can say that right off the bat cause my boy has an accord f22 turbod w/ no internal mods and is running 10 psi daily at 250 horse..and i know a kid w/ a prelude usdm h22a w/ some of the internal mods i listed in my last statement and hes running 325..so i was just stating that from my own personal experience

CL Platano

Baka if everything goes well on the install how long does it take to do?

lnsyone

you're not going to make that much power just by slapping on a turbo kit onto a stock motor. because thats what most people do. like i had said before, power is determined by your setup and how well its tuned. so you cant go around giving #'s if you dont know what their setup is like. remember when xrunner86x had first dyno'd his f23-t on a conservative tune? he dyno'd something ridiculous like 170whp. later on, he had made more power with a better tune.

CL Platano

I will get it tuned to put out more but I just wanted to know basically how long it takes to do it so I can make proper arrangements in giving up my car. The guy who is going to do it is working on a Type R six speed swap into a 03 Civic Si right now. He says once he is done with all the piping and tuning he should get 220 out of it.

agranado

im thinking further on down the road I may turbo my f22... but thats further on down the road (maybe after the semester's over and I work hard for the $$$ )

CL Platano

I just wanna smoke all those 3.0 people who think our 2x are slow

agranado

FUQ. YEA. you and me both.

-Alex

lnsyone

Installation should take several days- if anything, a week. I wouldn't expect it to be done the very next day. Also, don't be alarmed if it takes a month to straighten everything out so you can boost happily.

lnsyone

An NA f22 is slowest thing Acura had put into our cars. You should highly consider an h22 or boosting the hell out of your f22/23, then that would be a different story

lnsyone

Spend $650 for a direct port nitrous setup and run 150 shot nitrous. Problem solved.

CL Platano

Hell no I'm a maniac I will hit that switch and slam myself into the back of a 18 wheeler messing with my boy in his TL..

shineynitelite

thats not going to work.. somebodys running 125 shot

jandj2204

yeaa..im on here saying random numbers that come to my head..both those cars were dyno'd and i personally saw the results

CL Platano

What did you see on the accord dyno?

xrunner86x

I have an F23, the F22 is better for boost because it has lower compression.

lnsyone

dude you are totally missing the point.

lnsyone

the dude was talking about 3.0's in general.

pebe

OK, heres a simple question and I want a simple answer. To turbo a F22, auto tranny, what needs to be done internally? How much boost can it handle like it is, if any, and how big a turbo can go in there so the car can be driven everyday like normal??

shineynitelite

oh well.. cars are slow

CL Platano

http://www.turbo-kits.com/turbo_kits_faqs.html

jandj2204

242hp@6600
187lbs tqr@forgot the rpm
tec t40 turbo
spearco intercooler
tial bov+wastegate
hks piping+downpipe+exhaust
92 lb injectors
walbro fuel pump

jandj2204

i understand you were saying it is all about how a specific car is tuned...and i was stating that these particular cars are tuned to make this power

CL Platano

Nice, I can deal with that. Enough to mess with but not beat a 2nd Gen CL-P

CL Platano

Q: There is no such thing as a daily driven turbo Honda?
A: Try telling that to those that own FMAX kits and run 10-15 psi daily, on the stock bottom end for years, trouble free. If detonation is eliminated there is nothing to say that your engine will not survive higher than intended cylinder pressures. Whether it is turbocharged, normally aspirated or supercharged, a given torque number, for a given engine, usually translates into the same cylinder pressure, the horsepower may vary. Cylinder pressure is cylinder pressure, detonate the same engine, when turbocharged, supercharged or normally aspirated, and the result will be the same. Don't let someone in sales tell you otherwise, ask an engineer or a professor

pebe

great info. thanx

pebe

Who should install a turbo kit. Not something the neighborhood mechanic should do huh?

lnsyone

In my honest opinion it would be a waste of money to turbo f22 w/ an auto tranny. Now, the next question is: What do you plan on doing with the turbo? Do you plan on boosting 15+ psi? Do you want it to be a reliable daily driver? If you don't have the money for internals, I'd highly recomend running 7-10 psi daily with a respectable tune. It all comes down what you want to do with your motor. You can run any size turbo you want. But what you are looking for is a turbo that'll work efficiantly along with your setup.

It also depends how you'd like your powerband set. A t28 turbo or something similar will make up to 280+ hp. it should start spooling at around 2750 rpm and it should hit full boost at around 5500 rpm. A t3/t4 turbo can support up to 450-500+ hp. There are different sizes in compressor housings and wheel trim. My t3/t4 on my stock h22 started to spool at around 3350 rpm and it hits full boost at 7200 rpm.

Your car can be driven as a daily driver as long as you have it tuned well. There are many things to think about when turbo'ing a car. Nonetheless, Good luck in whatever decision you may choose.

pebe

Not sure about any of this, but I would like it to be as reliable as possible. This is my daily car, not a project. As far as the auto, will it work as well as the manual? Im not sure, but it seems worth a shot if its as easy to incorporate as it says. I dont think I would do it, but I want to at least get as much info as I can. How is your tubor setup running?