NauTiC*

My question is, since you have this, was it necessary for you to purchase a camber kit such as Ignalls & SPC? Or were you able to fully adjust to suit your needs?

Because I'm considering swapping out my non-adjustable SS-P upper mounts for some adjustable ones to correct my camber (granted this is possible) instead of going the Ignalls route.

Outlaw

The adjustable upper pillowball mounts only adjust the dampening, not the camber, so whether you have the pillowball mounts or not, you still need a camber kit. In that picture, there are no pillowball mounts (if you didn't know that), but you can adjust the caster.

starboy2nv

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thats some cool looking coilover... looks like ill have to jump off the tanabe brand and on to tien...

CocoTypeS

Judging from the picture. your camber should be fully adjustable. since those are adjustable camber plates. You should be able to get within spec.

ib_jimmy

i dont think that adjust ur camber. thats for the caster angle.

97BlackAckCL

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WTF why are you gonna skimp out on $100 camber kit, and buy $1000 coils to try and avoid camber? And no it won't work, just buy a camber kit.

Recnelis

^ if they are possible to change camber (which i think they can, hence why they are called camber plates, call tein to make sure though) then he can go as low as he wants without worrying about the common "camber arm hitting my tires and fenders" problem when he hits a dip etc...

just my

teh CL

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they dont make those camber plates for our cars..i remember when i got mine i thought mine were missin so i call the guy and he said that they dont make em for our car..

NauTiC*

lol Everyone just confused me. That picture up above is not from my Tein's, I got that pic from Google. It was just a visual of the Adjustable Top Mount, which I think are from the Tein Type Flex set up.

I have the Tein SS-P with the non-adjustable Upper Mounts. What I want to do is replace the mounts currently on my SS-P with Adjustable Upper Mounts (similar to the ones in the pic above) that way I can adjust camber from there. According to the below description, the Adjustable Upper Mounts do adjust camber, and camber only, not caster.

Quote:

Upper Mount Accord 94-97

That’s why I ask if anyone with D2’s/Ksport were able to fully correct camber with THIER Adjustable Top Mounts if they had them...

danielsmi

the CL doesn't have a macphereson strut it has a double wishbone (which I've read is better) suspension same as the Intergra and older civics. The newer ones have macphereson like the RSX, newer civics, but I as said they're supposed to be worse in handling.

Cocoa

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The CL does not have double wishbone suspension. Not even the Evo does. Our USDM civics and integras did not come with double wishbone. The type R's in Japan did. The only import that I can think of that has double wishbone suspension is the s2k.

jdm CL

your an idiot. the older civic's and integra's DO have double wishbone suspension. why would an integra type r have it and a regular integra not?

99CL

chill jdm cl. there's no need to be calling people idiots here.

AnotherLevel

"Both CL models utilize a front-wheel-drive layout for excellent handling stability, superior traction on slippery road surfaces and an efficient, lightweight overall package. The CL also features a four-wheel double-wishbone suspension, four-wheel disc brakes, Antilock Braking System (ABS) and standard driver's and front passenger's Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) air bag."

Recnelis

i just know that double wishbone is a sick ass setup..

i highly doubt that a family coupe like the CL would have it. where did u get that info anotherlevel?

oh, and if you are comparing an ITR and a regular integra and saying that they have similar suspension, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. ITR has probably one of the nicest OEM suspensions and people actually swap their shit out for the OEM ITR suspension components

and dont be calling people noob when they are just trying to be informative. JDM cl my ass, go get a civic and join honda-tech

AnotherLevel

Link for reference: acuranews.com

Acura CL Chassis Overview:

"The CL is equipped with a 4-wheel, independent double-wishbone suspension with coil springs and front and rear stabilizer bars. The suspension has been designed to provide excellent directional stability and the tight, precise handling control demanded by driving enthusiasts, yet with a forgiving and resilient ride. Helping to achieve those goals are a highly rigid body structure and a 16-inch wheel and tire package specially developed to meet the chassis team's requirements of handling grip, ride poise and quiet operation."

NauTiC*

Uh ohh. Look what I've started...

I guess I should have asked if anyone had adjustable top mounts on there coilovers, which I'm assuming noone has.

97BlackAckCL

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klepto

there are no camber plates for our cars as of now.

/thread

danielsmi

I stand by what I said whether you believe it or not this car along with the integra LS I had before have double wishbone suspension. It's a fact.

97BlackAckCL

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That's what I said as well

97BlackAckCL

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The car has 2 control arms on each side that are shaped like wishbones Upper and lower control arms are both U shaped, is that what you're referring to.

jdm CL

itr has
1. Aluminum front tower bar to increase stiffness and rigidity
2. The frame where the rear wheel is has also increase stiffness and rigidity by adding thicker sheet metal
3. The pillars and roof rails are thicker to increase stiffness, rigidity and safety.
4. The shock towers have been reinforced to handle the increase spring and damper rates.
5. The rear sub frame has been beefed up
6. Rear trunk bar to increase stiffness and rigidity
7. Lower sub frame bar to increase stiffness and rigidity
8. Front spring rate has increased 22%
9. Front damper rebound increased 70 %, bound increase 115%
10. Rear maximum spring rate increased 22%
11. Rear damper rebound increased 31%, bound increased 61%

Anything else? Anything else at all? Want me to start going into the interior differences? How about the engine and transmission differences? I can even do exterior too?

my point is that although many suspension COMPONENTS have been beefed up. The suspension designs are the same. Integra’s use double wishbone suspension all through out the factory line. Even from the cheapest base model all the way to the R model.

It is sense less to use a McPherson strut design on the base model and then switch to the double wishbone design for the R.

Now do you understand?

and I do own a civic and I did come from Honda-tech

jdm CL

and i want to add that im sorry cocoa for calling you and idiot and 99cl for calling him an idiot.

also on a side note it is confirmed that the bushings used in the dampers and other part of the suspension are stiffer than normal.

NauTiC*

What about the ones Tein offer for the 94-97 accord? Would those work?

azian21485

Acura CL's are double wishbone (aka. long short arms)...along with all hondas and acuras made prior to the current gen models.

Unlike a macpherson strut setup, you can't change camber and caster by changing the angle of the shock for a double wishbone setup.. In a macpherson strut setup, the shock is connected directly to the knuckle and there's no uca. So, if you change the angle of the shock, you change the angle of the knuckle.



You must change the lengths and angles of the uca or lca to adjust camber and caster for a double wishbone suspension. Since the shocks are connected to the lca and not the knuckle, changing the shock angle will do nothing (in terms of caster and camber) for double wishbone cars except changing the motion ratios.



Pillow ball mounts can NEVER be adjusted. They are just spherical bearings that take the place of the rubber bushings inside the shock mount top hats allowing the shock to move freely with the suspension movements. You adjust the shock angle by using camber and caster plates (for macpherson strut cars)

NauTiC*

Thank you my good sir... Cant get anymore thorough than that!