732xghost

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this kid i work with knows someone who is selling a H22 head for what he thinks is cheap. He told me that the guy wants it for $250. think this is a good deal? im gonna take a look at it on sunday. Is there anything i should be looking for when i take a look at the head, and also what other misc. parts will i need to do a H22 head swap.

teh CL

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i dont think thats a great deal..

is it a full head with throttle body, distributor, intake manifold etc etc..?

i know exactly what you need to do that head swap, it seems complicated but it really isnt

teh CL

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give me a sec to get all the stuff...

teh CL

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here's all that you need..

- complete head
- f23 headgasket
- Must remove one smaller copper fastener that holds the 3 layers together from the f23 headgasket
- h22 header
- bottom part of f22 waterpipe & top part of a h22 waterpipe (weld together)
- take the h22 waterpump gear and put it on the f22 waterpump
- h22 lower timing belt gear
- h22 timing belt
- h22 head studs
- and plug the two oil passages...
- Obd1 P13 or OBD 2 p13

if your really interested, go through this whole thread..its long and you might get confused alot of times but all your questions will be answered in there..or just pm me, i should be able to help you out

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=776837&page=1


thats pretty

bebop.fey

thinking of this too but. . . too hectic =(
no time . ..

ask pirate or this other guy -_-'' forgot his name

SwervinCL

Very nice..

Mind if I use that in my noob section?

teh CL

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sure, knock urself out..i actually wont see many CLers doin this cuz everyone thinks its a waste of time/ $$...

oh well...their loss

teh CL

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not hectic at all if you know what ur doin and dont rush things...it could be done in a weekend no problem...

SwervinCL

What gains did you get?

teh CL

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i haven't done it, but i've read all of info on it

but ur lookin at around 180ish WHP (forgot the tq) but it's supposedly torqueier than a regular h22

bebop.fey

our sohc's in general are torqueier if turbo'd . . you would see more tq gains than hp =)

SwervinCL

Thats not bad at all...Do you know approx. total cost?

teh CL

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it really depends on where you get your parts from and how cheap you get them...but i dont see this costing more than $1000CDN ($800US + - )

i really like the gains on this..it would be nice to do just to shut everyone up that says:

a) it can't be done
b) not worth the time/money
c) just swap a full h22, easier/ cheaper

starboy2nv

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thats alot of stuff to do.... i was thinking about it but eh i dunno...

teh CL

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thats not alot of stuff to do...at all, i should just do it show you guys that it isn't hard at all..

if your doin what i think your doin to your engine, then what your doin is 100x harder than doin this

bebop.fey

yo! was that gain FI or NA?
cause i remember being FI

Blenz

I'd be worried about reliability of the engine, not the cost or difficulty of installation. The guy on H-T did this with the f22b2 block, but has it been done with the f22b1 that comes in our 2.2 CL's? The f22b2 he used doesn't have vtec, but our f22b1 does, which would certainly add some problems wouldn't it?

ShavedH22CL

no problems caues of vtec. for starters the vtec is only in the head and is controlled by the Ecu and with bothin of those things beong changed there is no conflicting commands / acts coming from your ecu or managment system. you will have more problems with a turbo vtec motor then with a f22 with a h22 head on it.

teh CL

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that is N/A stock

god knows what those turbo guys are running

ib_jimmy

suppostily, this is easier than doing a LS-VTEC. I've seen this done before and was thinking if i have a 2.x (thanks GOD i got a 3.0) i would do that instead of a full engine swap.

teh CL

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you wish you had a 2.2....

2.2 frankenstein > 3.0 all day

732xghost

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alright heres the deal, im checking the head out on sunday and im gonna question this guy to death. i wanna try and talk him down to 200. and those parts wont be a problem for me to get at all because i work at a Honda dealership, so ill be using brand new parts for the swap. im very excited about this, but if i buy the head i wont expect to be doing the work until summer.

thanks alot silver for the info, your the man. im also glad to see support for this project from some of you guys. ill try not to let you guys down. and if i do it, expect to see alot of pictures

wilp99

i hate to say it but being that ive done a frankenstein g23 vtec. on a prelude it put down 186hp to the wheels. thats about 220chp. and seing that just the motor weighs bout 300lb less and puts down 10 more hp to the wheels. sorry 3.0's. tho i never got a chance to run with it. it would have been close. i hope..

wilp99

theres alot of research you need to do before doin something like this. especially if you dont know what to look for on a head. no offense intended i promise. its worth it, but my friend put in about 1500$ on budget parts and good luck.

wilp99

and i did all the work for free. if you were in the uk i would do it for free too.

ib_jimmy

with that set up it would of taken the 3.0 no doubt. more HP, weight less, and a 5-speed. of course.

732xghost

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i just hope everything works out. even if i cant get this kids head. im gonna keep trying to find other ones.

wilp99

back to the topic it is a good deal tho.. as long as its not trashed.. you can take it to a machine shop and have the valves rematched and the head dipped and magnafluxed, and resurfaced for about 200$

ib_jimmy

you cant just get a brand new head from you work with a discount?

732xghost

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idk it would still be alot of money and sometimes the parts dept. is :ghey: when it comes to ordering things, like they might tell me i would have to order the whole motor. ill inquire but i dont think it would be worth it. im just gonna use my discount to order the misc. parts that i need this swap to work.

NauTiC*

Question: Why is it that the G23 produces 186hp and the H22 produces 200hp? Is there a difference in compression?

suremang

i think the g23 186hp is measured at the wheels and the h22 200hp is at the crank. not sure what the difference is between them in power but they seem very similar.

teh CL

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the g22/3 and the h22 have pretty much the same power it's just that the g22 has more torque to it..

teh CL

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trust me, i've done enough research on this..i read that thread on honda-tech god knows how many times, i look at how people messed up and all that fancy stuff..

the only thing is that if you get a shop to do it, you'll get , i say just grab some friends that know what their doin and make a weekend of it..

oh and 3.0s

teh CL

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no problem, if you got any questions or problems just shoot me a PM

wilp99

the g23 is a stroker h22. which is why its not safe to bring it past 7200rpm.. it can go more but not safley. unless you install the oil injection ports on the bottom of the pistons. we didnt cause we had no time and it was just a daily driver and i ended up giving away the injectors for free. the h23 has a rev limit of 6700rpm max. also the g23 has a crazy compression ratio.. somewhere near 11.2:1. i know the frankenstein i put togather pulled all the way to 7500rpm in all gears. and it wrapped up so fast after the 5500 vtec point.. dope.. simply dope.

732xghost

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arite some of you might find these price to be funny. that is what the honda stealership i work at would charge me lol.

H22 cylinder head.....my discount = 1,238.00.....customer price= 2,139.74

teh CL

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forget that

SwervinCL

So you would be faster than a H22 swap.... HMMM...

Would a state inspection fuck with you?

wilp99

not as long as you passed thier emissions. which isnt too hard to fool.