o snap its eric

a felllow friend told me if you just have intake in your car is wouldnt do much but waste more gas and have your car perfome less than par. he said but if you have exhaust and headers it would be a diff. story? true or false?

joeshmoe

No disrespect......but your friend smokes crack.

97Acura3.0CL

false you get hp from an intake the cai is more but my short ram i think i got around 8-10 for it i could tell the difference but then when i added the vafc it made a complete differenece in gas and hp. i like the short ram sound with the vtec but i cant dog on the cai cause ive never owned one

o snap its eric

yeah thats what i though too haha

moforose3.0

you will only get 4-5 with the shortram and 8-10 with the cai ( depending on the application). You will definatley have better gas mileage also

VXCL

the only loss in hp is low end for the most part but the overgain more than justifies the loss. ur car is faster with the cai then without. u definitely notice it on a 2.2 or 2.3 but I doubt the 3.0 guys could tell

Bluesman

Internal combustion engine = Air Pump
More air in more air out = more hp

JLai

Does your friend think Type R stickers make the car faster?

Repo1234

Everyone knows that the Type R stickers give you 5 hp!!!!! LMFAO!!!!

moforose3.0

I thought it was 15hp? I gained low end torque also, I dont know who was losing it?

2FamoUs

LOL HHHHMMmmmmmm...... The real question is which Type R sticker gives more HP? AEM , Injen or WestWing? or can I put all three?

NOMAD

My gas mileage increased. I always set my trip meter when I fill up and I consistently get at least 400 mi per tank. That includes highway, city and of course the obligatory WOT and jackrabbit starts.

If he thinks it'll damage his car then let him live in his own world... he doesn't deserve to get one. We don't need any more "tuners" who don't even take the time to learn about the most basic things and spout off about things they know nothing about...

Casper98CL

guys, I may be wrong in correcting you, but I am... to my knowledge at least...

The CAI and Short Ram offer a 3-5 or 5-10 hp increase dynoed, but not dynoed alone.. they are dynoed with headers and exhaust, out of the total package hp gain, it is the intake that gives that amount...


alone, forcing more air in without a release, wikll help but not like its speculated... You may gain anywhere from 0-5hp from both... this is why, his friend may feel that way...

I know i drin kmoire gas now than before.. and I only realy feel the intake when I am on it and vtec revs up... 0-5hp is NOT very noticeable unless you constantly pound the gas... so in a way, his friend is CORRECT!!!!

would i think its pointless... by no means, otherwise i woul not have one... can I be wrong.. absolutely!

o snap its eric

finally someone who sides with my friend. anyone have anything to say.. seem like i have brought up a good thread

NOMAD

Well... i see where you're coming from as a purely kick-in-the-pants-potential of power, yeah it's pretty weak. But remember that the KEY is that you are getting rid of a very restrictive stock intake system. The resinator is what really chokes it all up.
Those people who take the resinator off and put in a free flowing K&N can have the same results.
Even changing the filter alone can have a slight boost. Look to K&N's research for info.
Of course an intake does not make HP but it frees up the engine's potential. However small it will make a difference.
I totally agree that the gains may be minimal but they are there nonetheless. You'll recognize gains of some kind whenever you remove bottlenecks in the engine. If you want bang-for-the-buck, yeah, you're getting screwed, especially if you pay top dollar for some of this stuff (and pay for installation). If you want easy speed buy NO2 and don't touch anything else. But even after you have that once you get rid of a bottleneck or two you'll realize some more of that potential.

NOMAD

OH yeah, I have to return to the original statement that the guy said it HURT the engine more than helped.

NO. Free air flow allows your engine to breathe easier and work less for the same result.

Low end torque may be compromised slightly to gain higher end HP. In VTEC range your engine is "gulping" more air to go with more fuel. Removing the restriction helps get more air in the combustion chamber. The exhaust pipe size will be a restriction only at higher RPM's but the stock muffler is very restrictive.

DirtyHarryFSU

It's 15hp at the crank, but only 5 to the wheels. lol

I could definitely feel a difference when I added my short ram

JLai

Have you considere the reason you drink more gas is that you're now constanly on the gas more?

I once only had an intake on my car. No exhaust yet. Gas milage def increased, but I used up more gas cause i constantly wanted to hear what it would sound like. Put it does help with your gas milage if you continue driving like you usually do.

NOMAD

I agree.
I talked w/ my Dad about the K&N filters etc and he called me up the other day and told me he finally got one. He said he noticed an improvement immediately. It wasn't a big improvement but he says he uses less gas, can pass on hills better and really likes it. This is from a guy who's just naturally skeptical of "gadgets" and calls BS when he sees it. (He has an older 6cyl Jeep Grand Cherokee)

Paper filters are restrictive.

o snap its eric

this is kind of off topic but i took off my filter and it sounds a lot better than having it on. and potental damage to my car if i leave it without a filter for about 3 months esp since it is winter now?

hougee

low end used to lag in my 3.0 before i put in my shortram...
def gain in HP.. no doubt...

hg

NOMAD

Better put that filter back in. You can take out the resinator and it'll sound great but keep the filter. Even if you just have the stock filter you'll block lots of contaminates.

Get a K&N pflat panel if you want a better-flowing filter.

If you leave the filter off you'll be sucking up dirt, dust, and every single other contaminate you can thing of. You won't even be able to stop an acorn from being sucked into the intake manifold! Get that thing back on unless you plan on getting a new engine soon.

o snap its eric

where is the resonator?

NOMAD

I believe it's in the wheelwell. I don't have a 3.0 though.
You should be able to unclip the plastic cover to the wheel underwell and take out a few screws.
The resinator is a box type thing about the size of a football +.
It is rather restrictive so if you take it out you will get better air flow.
Someone w/a 3.0 can help you more...

Acura3.0

I think AEM ment to say that the CAI improves 5 dbl - 9dbl on the sound dyno.

hougee

there are two... a big one under the factory airbox behind the wheelwell... another small one right on the intake pipe before the manifold...

hg