Anhedonia

after 17 minuts of looking through old threads and searching, i have given up. if its a repost someone PLEASE redirect me.

my question.. is what would be needed to increase the redline of my f23? as most of you know.. there isnt a single drop of power until 3k rpm, and by the time your at 6, the Sienna has passed you.

basically, id like to be able to stay in each gear a little longer, an 8k redline would be nice, but what would i need to upgrade? obviously ECU/software, what can our ignition system handle? fuel pump? internals?

Anhedonia

Aside from a forged crank and weak piston rings.. idk much about the capabilities of the f23 stock.

spencer_homer

youd probably just want to do basic mods for power before you start lookin to extend your redline for more gear. without internals, i dont think the motor would take it. mine feels like its gonna blow at 6500

97BlackAckCL

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U could also change the vtec engagement point

Palayah8ta

17 mins really.. u gave up that quick? u think modding cars is that easy..

well to answer ur question, you would need to get a piggyback system ECU system (aem, gredddy) and get it tuned..

BUT the redline is set for a reason.. u think 1000 japanese people (or guys from Ohio) spent all that time so u can shift at a later RPM with a 17 min search?!!?? .. EVEN WHEN u know that no power is made after redline..

spencer_homer

but wont help much without I/H/E and more mods

spencer_homer

exactly!

starboy2nv

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apparently he does since he has smart remarks about my project.

97BlackAckCL

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17 mins isn't much, considering there are TONS of threads on this subject

Anhedonia

... considering the search system here, and the fact that you have to wait 60 seconds between searches.. i think 17 minutes is a good deal of time. especially considering that when you type in a word/words, acurazines brilliant search feature suddenly cuts out half of them in an attempt to thin our your results.

And spencer, i have I/H/E already, trying to sort out the next step to go in power wise.

If I got new under pulley & engine management//tune, what could i expect out of it?

97BlackAckCL

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2 more hp on the butt dyno

Dicorp

h22 swap or turbo. otherwise don't bother.

hybridnrg

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2 hp for my acurazine.com sticker

Gnate

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yeah dude you really make no power after redline in an f anyway, so why would you bother? Get a stage 2 bisimoto cam, it focuses on like 1700-5800 rpm or some shit like that, its perfect, and valvesprings and lifters are only suggested. I talked to a guy on who dropped that cam in by itself with just a tune and he said it was a blast.

asianspec

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Daniel ftw.

spencer_homer

isnt this what the whole question thread is about?

97BlackAckCL

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DaInFaMMuS1

Do what he said. Thats your best bet for F23 N/A power. For the money of what that cam, springs, retainers, and a tune costs, I'd still be passing right by u with my h23a though.

GhettoNinja06

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Dude, you pass right by alot of cars on the street with that h23a! Probably even me.

Palayah8ta

2-4 hp generously speaking..

the only cheap option left power wise is to spray.. but i wouldn't recommend it..


Edit: underpully isnt going to help much either lol.

Anhedonia

^^ my parents took me off the bottle when i was real little, dont plan on revisiting it any time soon.

thanks all, looks like ill start saving

DaInFaMMuS1

for what?

and nitrous really isn't bad at all, especially if u were to go N/A and wanted a little extra juice when u needed it, nitrous likes high compression. Its also quick, inexpensive power unless you are a nitrous whore and constantly use it.

f22vtec

If you are thinking about putting in a bisimoto cam think about getting an h23 IM and a good throttle body too. For the f motor you can use the stock h23 IM as a performance IM for our motors.

Anhedonia

good info vtec, and infammus, for the setup nate was talking about. The only reason id want to go with nitrous would to be if i was taking her to the strip, which im not so right now it looks kind of useless. Im looking for more constant power then one time use.

incredulous1

motor swap. save up for it, cause that sounds like what you're looking for

Anhedonia

Ebay turbo kit.

eh, well see what pans out. if i find a stellar deal on a motor thats swapabble, ill scoop it up. if not, ill start building my f23.

f22vtec

i know a dude with an ls boosted with a ebay turbo kit that runs in the 12's i think lol. chris its shauns friend with the white ek hatch idk if you've seen it.

incredulous1

sure if you want to drop tons of cash on it. itd be cheaper to piece it together a turbo kit yourself.

and im not going to lie to ya... n/a h series are better than n/a f series. mod for mod, h will always win. you can build up your f23 to kick some h22 ass, but you will end up spending way more money building up your f23 to match an h22.

not that im against All motor F's... i actually dreamed of building an all motor f22. it would be insanely cool, but not having money is a big factor against building one.

Project_CLean

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i wudnt even think about changing the redline man..
even if u KNOw that theres no power after..theres no point in straining the engine..changin when ur vtec kicks in can probabli mess with ur engine too..im almost positive..they made it last those couple grand of revs for a reason..getting an ecu and all is pretty expensive too..i wud do as much bolt ons as possible before really messing with ur engine that much..
just my

Anhedonia

ive bolted on everything to be bolted on, minus a cam gear and a tune. my next step for a NA build would be a bisimoto cam and most likeley hondata. but as you can tell, im looking into FI

f22vtec

then you have to get a different cam not the one gnate suggested if you want to go boost. You can't get it tuned either unless your obd1 or have an apexi vtec controller which matt says doesn't work on an F or you can go the hondata route and honestly you're probably not going to get the cam and tune anyways lol. Just keep it how it is throw some wheels on it and do inexpensive exterior mods for now and get something you really want when you're done with school.

Gnate

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^

+100 rep points for the most sensible answer.

DaInFaMMuS1

I completely disagree with that. If i did that, i wouldn't have had the pleasure of the bewildered looks on people's faces when my car pulls away, or my favorite was looking in the rearview to see a dude's girlfriend pointing at my car and laughing at him. Don't settle for something less if there's a goal you have for the car.

If you want more power, go for it. I'd say just be sensible in power for the money. Pick a direction and follow it, either boost or N/A. Cam regrinds aren't cheap so if you're gonna get 1 make sure it's the one you want, unless you have the money to throw away in changing things. If you're going boost, get a turbo cam, and build up your turbo kit. I recommend Treadstone Performance for a relatively affordable kit that comes with good brand name parts. As for tuning, a vtec controller wont give you the flexibilty you need to tune your turbo F, so either Hondata, Neptune, or AEM EMS would be my choice. My cousin's used AEM EMS on countless cars for his shop and says the flexibility is awesome, thats what his 890 hp s2k runs on right now. If you're on a tight budget, get obd2 to obd1 jumper harness, a p28 with neptune and/or crome programmed onto it and you'll be able to tune the car with that, thats what mine is tuned on currently till i go turbo and get Hondata or AEM. Besides, if Jeff Evans can tune cars the way he does with Neptune, i'd say its pretty damn capable.

Depending on the setup, changing the vtec point and redline could be usable. In my car I've changed it from 5100 to 4900 and it hasn't hurt the motor. Changing vtec just has to do with when you're having the car run on the low lobes of the cam as compared to locking the LMA's and having it run on the high lobe. If its done incorrectly, you'll be able to tell because there will be a power loss when changeover occurs, like the car is bogging when change over occurs. As for increasing redline, that could hurt the motor being you're putting increased stress on it that it wasn't prepared for, but with a bolt on f series i doubt raising the redline would produce much power anyway so i wouldn't do it unless its being tuned to do so.

f22vtec

yea BUT you're 25 we're 19 and 20 lol do you work full time? I would hook my shit up too. Im saying for us we're trying to hook up our cars but we're young and broke and always having to pay for school or bills. It's nearly impossible for us young cl'ers to save for the big things i got all my parts dirt cheap from matt lol.

f22vtec

and hey i've gotten my fair share of compliments and stares too lol. I think compliments and stares are the product of a sexy appearance hence why you get stares too know body has a black cl with rotas and yellow headlights. I mean hey we all have to drive the speed limit most of the time so people don't know if we're fast or not anyways. Thats why if i keep the cl when im done with school and want to really do work to it it will be perfect timing my motor will be on its way out and I'll be making good money i hope..

Anhedonia

nobody makes good money out of school, save doctors. im working full time now, have most of my school paid off already due to ridiculous work and savings throughout highschool. my issue was that my clutch job with circuit city went under with the company and i had to live on my savings for four months till i could find another job. if i hadnt lost my job, my cl would more likeley then not be leaps and bounds ahead of where it is now.

f22vtec

..lol that depends on what you're majoring in. I want an mba so i can get a sick nsx one day ahaha

Anhedonia

Im double majoring right now, trying to add a third. if not, ill take a minor and a double. i too plan on getting my masters in hopefully two of my majors.. but we will see.

Palayah8ta

DaInFaMMuS1

When i got my swap i had been saving for it for 2 years, since i was 20. I was still in college when i did my swap, and i wasn't working. I'm still not working full time, finishing up my 2nd school and working but i still find ways to mod my car, so don't make excuses bro. If u want it and u work for it, you'll have it! Look at Matt, he's young and has an awesome CL, why couldn't any other young person?