dustbuster4

I was FINALLY able to take a road trip to my Uncle's in PA where my engine is sitting (sshhhhhhhh; don't tell my soon to be ex-wife ). The pics aren't much to look at, but they're pics all the same.


















I plan to take 2 weeks off this summer (1st week to strip down the motor; then later in the summer, 2nd week to build it).

I need feedback. Not just suggestions on what to (which are most welcome), but also contacts, web sites, etc. on where to look for parts.

I'm looking for forged pistons to run a 125-shot (or possibly a turbo) and also need to know how to prep the block if I go turbo.

I have the Type 'S' cams, but rather go for the j30a4 cams (if they'll work).

I'm mainly looking for suggestion on what I can do to the motor to maximize HP/torque BEFORE forced induction. I'm looking for about 350 HP at the crank.


BTW: Yes, I'm going to have a tranny built to handle the HP.


Please, any feedback?

KulCL3.0

I talked to a compay about getting turbo in my 3.0, but said that I would get no more that like 60 hp! For me that's not worth the 2500 bucks

CLpower

our blocks can handle a good amount of boost, i've seen people pushing 14 lbs on stock motors in sand rails and buggies and such. I think you could easily get 100 + hp at about 8 lbs on pump gas. And I think the motor could easily handle it. But the suspension is going to need to be custom built. I'd find one and have it built up for when yours goes.


As far as NA, you will need head work i'd shave a little of the block. Also look into valve springs and retainers. The v6 accord pistons look like a good option and it's going to be interesting if the a4 cams will work. Also look into gething your intake manifold extrude honed.


for tranny work check out www.artcarr.com

and for extrude honeing check out www.extrudehoned.com

JLai

Thats gonna be tight to finally get a turbo 3.0 on the board. Hope everything goes well. :thumbs up:

97Acura3.0CL

hey dust its nice to hear from you in a while i wondered what happened with your motor. hey i am going to meet a guy this week hopefully, his name is monkey on here down in fresno, he has the type s cams and he loves em, i will get a first hand experience on how they feel and tehn let you know. but i would go with some je pistons, i heard you can get the most out of these, and then i would P&P your block and maybe largen it a little for better compression maybe??? i dont know about the j30a4 pistons i would check the av6 site for more info. prep the block for turbo i would suggest, ignition, fuel pressure regulator (a aem or maybe the racing one i have seen on ebay?). vafc to tune in your shit, ur underdrive pulleys, and then timing gear (if they make one).

hey man pm me about the PRadonski thing if you have heard anything yet.

good luck on your project i wish i had the extra money, i am currently saving for a bling bling ring for the old gf aka ol' lady

nice to see you taking some time off to work on your project engine, keep us posted on your progress, hey how did the 100 shot work with your kit? did you take it to the track? comments?

let me know

turbotk

You have to do twin turbo! thats about 10g's though.

My friend has the older accord v6 (non-turbo) and he blew his motor with spray. Naturally he wanted to rebuild with pistons, etc (the whole nine) and it came out to a rediculous amount of cash like $8,000 in parts because everything had to be custom done. Maybe you guys know of a place that already has everything made but no matter what be prepared to spend some cash and do the work yourself because most shops want some cake to work on a v motor. Good Luck. I will talk to some people to see if i can find anything out for ya. I havre been dying to see one of these motors woopin some serious assssss.

CLpower

JE doesn't make pistons for us, they'd have to be custom done and would be rediculous expensive. And him and I aren't talking about the a4 pistons, we are talking about the forged pistons in the 6th gen av6 and the cams for the a4.


Dust, i suggest looking into the aem ems. You won't be able to mess w/ the timing unless you go this way, and the performance and capabilitys will blow the vafc away!

R1Performance

JE should be able to produce and reasonably charge you (still custom of course), for a set of specifically spec'd pistons for you, if you can give them those exact specifications. I'd suggest contacting them if anything.

I also suggest looking into the AEM EMS, those are turning out to be amazing.

capa_22CL

good luck dust.. sorry i dont know much about buildin up the ol 3.0 but im feelin confident you'll be able to get the job done..

btw.. how much did the engine cost... if ya dont mind me askin?

CLpower

to the turn of 1000$

atleast that's what they told me

moforose3.0

If you get new cams, interested in selling the type-s cams?

joeshmoe

Good luck with the project Rick.

I will ask around to see if I can find any recommendations on places for parts.

clracer97

wouldnt it just be better to get an H22 motor and drop in a turbo????

JLai

Ummm...You're kidding right? H22A turbo Vs J30A turbo and you'd choose an H22A?

clracer97

i would only choose the h22 because it has a manual tranny otherwise the j30a is much better!

clracer97

where did you find a turbo kit that fits the j30a?

clracer97

if u got low 14's i dont see why you cant get high 13's with what you already have!

dustbuster4

I'm having a BITCH of a time locating pistons! :thumbsdn:



Agreed! I just need to get to the track. I should hit the 13's with my 75-shot and drag radials. The 100-shot should knock off a few 10ths.

However, I'm looking for low 13's.



Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Keep 'em coming.




I gave up on it. Too many changes have occured in my life, so I stopped focusing on it.




capa_22CL: $535.23 + Shipping http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...406112814&rd=1



ghander: Yeah, I've been looking at the AEM EMS. Looks like a good buy.



moforose3.0: If I don't use the Type 'S' cams, I'll sell them to 'ya.

clracer97

what turbo kit are you using that fits the 3.0?? also are you planning on changing the transmission to stick/?

CLpower

personally, yes. The H22A is proven, parts are dirt cheap. You have no idea how expensive this project is going to be. The pistons, rods, crankshaft alone would give me the go ahead on the 4 banger, that shit will run a couple G's if you want to build custom ones for the 3.0, but yet they are available and really cheap for the prelude already. That and the H22A is a few hundred lbs lighter, and will rev higher w/ less work. That and mainly the tranny thing. I've looked into turboing the 3.0 extensively it's not as easy as it looks. The main thing that's gonna suck is the EMS.



But if it cost the same i'd take the 3.0.

clracer97

thanks for the backup on the h22 thing ghander!!

JLai

I was speaking of costs aside. No duh it will cost more to turbo a V6. But a turbo 3.0 vs a turbo 2.2/2.3, the 3.0 should/will rape it. Plus why would you change a 3.0 to a h22a engine b4 turboing (If thats even worth the time/effort)? Cause thats what he was implying why D4 didn't do this using an H22A.

clracer97

u would have the same horespower with an H22 and its lighter!! the only difference is torque! also its way too complicated to turbo up the j30!!

CLpower

honestly, it'd be interesting to see a built 3.0 against the h22a. it'd honestly be a close race. The 3.0 would have a good amount more torque, but if it would be able to utilize it it'd be interesting.

I'd switch out my 3.0 for a h22a in a heart beat to be honest w/ you.

dustbuster4

I'm sticking with the j30a that I've mentioned at the beginning of the thread.

Please help me build my j30.


I'm not married to putting a turbo on this motor, but that would be wonderful!

I may need to stick with a dual-stage direct-port nitrous setup.

At this point, I just want to build the internals to handle whatever I slap on it (could even be the supercharger; but I doubt it--not for $4000+).

CLpower

i think dual stage would be the way to go. I think the block would handle a good 150 shot given the proper fueling.

capa_22CL

sounds like to me you're off to good start with that price.. a h22a would be upwards of $2000+ just for the engine.. even if ya spend $2000 on internals im thinking its definitely worth it because you can build it to be a VERY powerful v6, with da torque ta match.. any ideas on the power numbers or you're just shootin for low 13's?

ill try and look around for ya for parts.. ill stop by a local perf shop too.. theres tons of hooked up accord v6's around here that all go to the same place..

clracer97

he could get low 13's with a turboed h22 with some other mods added on!!

capa_22CL

yeah and he could spend $10000 on a $500 motor and run 11's..

he already said hes keep da motor give it up!! heh..

j/k do whacha want i dunt care

clracer97

lol could he really run 11's on a h22???

Always Dirty

Maybe if you pushed it off the top of a very tall building...

clracer97

anything is possible with the right connections!!!! my dad owns a shop so we're doing all the work on my cl in house!!

PerFecto

how bout you guys start another thread and talk about the H22a ... this is dust's thread and it's about finding him parts and helping him out! BTW dust i've been looking around for ya

JLai

Ghander-
You're right about weight...I've just seen 4 cylinders run out of ass way too quickly up top. They lose ALOT of power to the wheels compared to a 6 at the same top end. Example---> WRX

PerFecto

bump

What about this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33633

Does it replace your CAT or something?

BTW only use this if your going off road!

CLpower

that has nothing to do w/ the motor that's all about the gearing of the transmission.

JLai

Beats me then. I still rather have a turbo 6 instead of a 4 from my experiences Vs NA H22As.

CLpower

i hear ya, but NA and Turbo are worlds apart. But I hear ya.

Sacramento CL

Hey Dust: don't forget to buy one of those $20 performance chips on ebay. You'll shave .5 sec off your 1/4 mile times.... j/k

Sounds like you're on the right path, provided you can find some pistons.

niedejb

JE and wiseco both have sheets to fill in all the specs you need for custom pistons.

It may take a little longer to get them, but it shouldnt be any more expensive (many many people go with custom pistons).