Is H22 really worth it?
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Is H22 really worth it?
ive been contemplating this H22 conversion for a long time now...but my mind keeps going back and forth! there are pro's and cons to the swap, but it takes alot of money, time and work. It costs like 3 g's to convert to and for that price u could get a good turbo setup, not to mention to get the motor in u gotta shave the motor mount down, change the ecu to OBD1 etc...but the H22 has more potential for power and im a true speed freak not to mention there are no H22 CL's in my area so id b unique...what do u guys think?
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yeah my motor has 116K on it...and it seems to be burning oil, so i thought the upgrade would b beneficial...all these guys complain about all these complications putting it in tho its kind of deters a person from tryin it..esp on a tight budget
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well if you are a "speed freak" id either hurry up and get on that h22a (and a turbo kit) or get into another car...
i think if you ask around the h22 people are very happy with their decision
i think if you ask around the h22 people are very happy with their decision
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Originally Posted by acuracl33
i have 2.2 cl and have zex 55 shot and for 400 dollars got same performance as 4000 for h22
well maybe at first, but say you wanted to make more power... it would quickly get more expensive, where as the h22 has many more available bolt ons and general aftermarket support
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Originally Posted by acuracl33
i have 2.2 cl and have zex 55 shot and for 400 dollars got same performance as 4000 for h22
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Originally Posted by DaInFaMMuS1
im a true speed freak
If you're a speed freak, take that 4k and buy a bike. Once you've been on a bike anything on 4 wheels seems slow. I've gotten next to Z06 vettes, given them 4 second head starts, and still chased em down and beat em to the next light. All with my stock 929. The power to weight ratio is insane. If you're motor is gonna blow, i'd say do it. Other than that, stay away IMO.
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I had the same idea but then i got smart. why throw $3-4k more into my cl. im taking that $$$ and buying a new legacy gt. pimper, and more my style. the 250hp and 250tq turbo 2.5 boxter helps a little. the cl is old. im done with it. sad to say it but i can not wait to see some1 else drive it away and out of my life. ill miss it though.
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Originally Posted by baka_t
If i had a 2.2/2.3, I would do it. It opens up a world of opportunity, and make's sence esp if you have a high mileage motor.
I have a 3.0 and am considering it if this tranny goes
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Originally Posted by acuracl33
i have 2.2 cl and have zex 55 shot and for 400 dollars got same performance as 4000 for h22
yea, if you squeeze 24/7
and who is paying 4K for an h22
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Originally Posted by CLpower
yea, if you squeeze 24/7
and who is paying 4K for an h22
and who is paying 4K for an h22
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u know.....i think the h22 is a great swap oppertunity and for performance, it cant be touched (unless u have a K series in tap), but since i dont like f-ing around with the inner workings of my CL and ending up with no car, ill just stick with my f23....i have 90k on my motor, and it still runs perfect. if i were looking for performance, look to the H22...if ur looking for a good everyday driving engine, look 2 the F23.
either way, you win
either way, you win
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Let's put it this way; If you plan on building it, it would be well worth it. If not, do not attempt it.
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get the H22, I couldn't be more happier with mines! 4g's for the swap, where the hell are you guys looking? $950 for the motor, $450 for install, but I did a whole bunch of other crap at the same time, so it was a lil more.
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if my tranny goes out again im goin 6 speed. i do all my own work, so only price would be parts + time. i also stopped by dynamic speed lab here in brandon fla. and they told me it would be easy to make a tt setup for this motor, and it would take 15lbs of boost all day. tt setup was 1800 (just for all the ss piping)and 8g's if they did it all. and a single t setup was 1400 for all the ss piping and 6g's for everything. so realistically ~3g's and u got a nice tt setup for the 3.0. can u say hello 400+ hp. oh yea the h22 thing is a good idea too.
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Originally Posted by legendaryCL99
u know.....i think the h22 is a great swap oppertunity and for performance, it cant be touched (unless u have a K series in tap), but since i dont like f-ing around with the inner workings of my CL and ending up with no car, ill just stick with my f23....i have 90k on my motor, and it still runs perfect. if i were looking for performance, look to the H22...if ur looking for a good everyday driving engine, look 2 the F23.
either way, you win
either way, you win
a k24 has also caught my eye, it'd be a fun swap
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Originally Posted by wilp99
if my tranny goes out again im goin 6 speed. i do all my own work, so only price would be parts + time. i also stopped by dynamic speed lab here in brandon fla. and they told me it would be easy to make a tt setup for this motor, and it would take 15lbs of boost all day. tt setup was 1800 (just for all the ss piping)and 8g's if they did it all. and a single t setup was 1400 for all the ss piping and 6g's for everything. so realistically ~3g's and u got a nice tt setup for the 3.0. can u say hello 400+ hp. oh yea the h22 thing is a good idea too.
IMO single would be better for this motor
and I know these motors can handle boost in stock form, but 15lbs may be excessive.
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Originally Posted by Blenz
So you think it's not worth buying the engine then getting a shop to do the swap for you? Not too many people have a shop available to them and know how to install the new engine themselves.
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don't be an ass
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Originally Posted by Blenz
So you think it's not worth buying the engine then getting a shop to do the swap for you? Not too many people have a shop available to them and know how to install the new engine themselves.
he ment, building up the motor
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for a little less than the price of a h22a:
first hybrid h23head/f23 block dyno results...ended up costing him $400 but with all the parts he had lying around it should total maybe $1200 at most (not including installation)...there's alot of custom work but the results speak for themselves...more power and way more torque than the h22a
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811
yeah yeah all these people talking about reliability issues will come up..but as of i know he has no problems with it...but this is a 1 of a kind build and i have a feeling once all the bugs are worked out (if there are any) this swap will be quite popular among real sohc players
first hybrid h23head/f23 block dyno results...ended up costing him $400 but with all the parts he had lying around it should total maybe $1200 at most (not including installation)...there's alot of custom work but the results speak for themselves...more power and way more torque than the h22a
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811
yeah yeah all these people talking about reliability issues will come up..but as of i know he has no problems with it...but this is a 1 of a kind build and i have a feeling once all the bugs are worked out (if there are any) this swap will be quite popular among real sohc players
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Originally Posted by acuracl33
i have 2.2 cl and have zex 55 shot and for 400 dollars got same performance as 4000 for h22
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My buddy is selling an H22 that is ported/polished, cams, valves, dc sports header, act clutch, and more. He pulled it from his civic a while ago and has been sitting in his garage. If you are interested Im sure he would give it up for a decent price. We could probably meet you about half way (about 2 hour drive each). Let me know if your interested
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My buddy is selling an H22 that is ported/polished, cams, valves, dc sports header, act clutch, and more. He pulled it from his civic a while ago and has been sitting in his garage. If you are interested Im sure he would give it up for a decent price. We could probably meet you about half way (about 2 hour drive each). Let me know if your interested
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He wanted $3000 a few months back, a few weeks ago he said he would sell it for $2100. If someone is interested Im sure he would drop it a little more. Let me know and Ill talk to him about it, or else I'll give you his number and you guys can discuss it.
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Originally Posted by azian21485
for a little less than the price of a h22a:
first hybrid h23head/f23 block dyno results...ended up costing him $400 but with all the parts he had lying around it should total maybe $1200 at most (not including installation)...there's alot of custom work but the results speak for themselves...more power and way more torque than the h22a
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811
yeah yeah all these people talking about reliability issues will come up..but as of i know he has no problems with it...but this is a 1 of a kind build and i have a feeling once all the bugs are worked out (if there are any) this swap will be quite popular among real sohc players
first hybrid h23head/f23 block dyno results...ended up costing him $400 but with all the parts he had lying around it should total maybe $1200 at most (not including installation)...there's alot of custom work but the results speak for themselves...more power and way more torque than the h22a
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811
yeah yeah all these people talking about reliability issues will come up..but as of i know he has no problems with it...but this is a 1 of a kind build and i have a feeling once all the bugs are worked out (if there are any) this swap will be quite popular among real sohc players
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Originally Posted by Motohip
You guy! I'm talking about this. Doesn't seem possible...
there's alot of machine work put into it..it's not a direct bolt in
oh btw guys i was putting a little more effort to read in detail and i believe on the dyno he was running some sort of cams....sorry about that...but still very impressive power numbers...not sure if a stock h23 will put out the same power though
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Originally Posted by Motohip
You guy! I'm talking about this. Doesn't seem possible...
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Because it's a DOHC head on a SOHC block...didn't know it could be done. It's not like I called him a lier. I don't know the guy or anything to base my opinion, so I didn't know he was a reputable member. I didn't read that thread, just saw that it existed.
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