mugen_moby

Does anybody know any thing about the F20 motors that came in Euro Accords. I've been seeing them a lot cheaper than H22's so I was woundering how they compair.

Palayah8ta

Can u link us to where u found them cheap? Or is it an auction..

mugen_moby

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc...Engines&hit=10

Palayah8ta

145 torque.. thats lower than the h22a right..

Orlando3.0

according to the website. i dont know the actual numbers, but 15 more pounds of torque for $650 seems like no diffrence at all with the F20B.

Palayah8ta

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-H...QQcmdZViewItem

mugen_moby

Those are all OBD 1, I want something OBD2

AgentOrange

this motor will produce higher rpms, and yes, its OBDII which means you wont need to convert or buy a conversion harness, but you will need to rewire your existing harness just a tad to make everything work without any cell's. Also, because the motor is only 2.L you do loose some torque but gain hp. If your doing alot of road racing and circuit style events, id recommend this motor. this motor is also great if your class doesnt allow you to go past 2 liters. Just to let you know as well, the jacksonracing supercharger will fit with some minor modifications. It will mate to the head just like any other H22. the euro motor has a much better plenum desighn that the H22 as well. To make the supercharger fit with an H/Euro motor in your cl all you need to do is hammer the rear supporting wall ( some call it the fire wall, however the firewall is simply a thick rubber fire retardent matt )....you need to hammer out 1.4 inches from the center left rib.

AznX TL

i thought our cl's are OBDII?

mugen_moby

I am curently in high performance engines and chassis fabercation at Wyotech so I will be doing the swap within the next 3 months. I plan on doing road racing but I also want to competitive in drag. So do you recimand the euro over the H22 for want i want to do? Do you know where I can get any details on doing the swap?

mugen_moby

They are OBD2

AznX TL

oh never mind, i mis-read what agent orange typed, i thought he said we needed to do a obd2 conversion

mugen_moby

Check this out, They use an F20 block, H22 bearing, rods, and pistons, and a K24 crankshaft.
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/06...stroker_build/

CL Platano

Its useless since there isnt an aftermarket for F20 and strangely that its cheaper than the H22 since when I had my CL and looked into it the price was more. I would just get the H22 replace the rods and pistons and boost the hell out of it, instead of going through the hassle on trying to find replacement parts for an F20B

mugen_moby

I found a shit-ton of aftermarket F20 stuff.

5-speed

Alex (the banned one) did a euro f20 swap a while ago, but it seized up before he could really drive it enough to test it out.

do the f20c and euro f20 use the same block and different heads/internals or is the block different? Could you bolt an f20c head up to an f20?


excuse my ness please

97BlackAckCL

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Hi alex

CL Platano

This is the S2000 F20C mixed with the TSX but nothing to do with the F20B Euro Accord. You say you found tons of stuff so is there your basic bolt ons for the F20B?

mugen_moby

Correct me if im wrong but I think the blocks are the same.

SmokinH22CL

I dont know if the blocks are the same

F20C S2000 RWD
F20B Euro Accord FWD

mugen_moby

Just cause its rear wheel drive I dont see why the blocks would have to be any different, just position of motor.

SmokinH22CL

tru, i was jus sayin..

CL Platano

F20B
[edit] F20B
This engine series was used in the CF4, CF5, CF9, CL3 Honda Accord from 1998-2002. Also had a DOHC derivative (see below)

Specifications

Bore × Stroke: 85.0 × 88.0 mm
Displacement: 1997 cc
Valve Configuration: SOHC, 16 valves, VTEC
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Max power: 148 PS (109 kW) @ 6000 rpm (4WD), 150 PS (110 kW) @ 6000 rpm
Max torque: 183 Nm @ 5000 rpm (4WD), 186 Nm @ 5000 rpm


F20C
This engine was a radical departure from previous F engines, and only shared basic dimensions such as bore spacing. It was designed specifically for the Honda S2000 and shares some engineering with the Honda K engine. A long-stroke F22C1 variant was also produced


Dont mean to come off like an ass just seems you have your F20's confused and it would just be alot easier to go the H22 route since its been done tons of times and there is plenty of information on it.

mugen_moby

I think im confused but the F20B I had a link for above was DOHC.

AznX TL

f20b is dohc

teh CL

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you go to wyotech? how is that?

DaInFaMMuS1

or try that jackson supercharger n intercool it. I dont think theres ever been a supercharged H22 CL. That would probably be crazy! would it be possible to both supercharge and turbocharge an H22? Although i dont think the motor could withstand that kind of power w/o extensive internal work

mugen_moby

Well my core class, Automitive, was a little rushed I thought but my chassis faburcation class is awsome.

teh CL

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ya that must have been sick..how much does the school cost?

mugen_moby

I mite have to forget about all this, I got rear ended pulling out of school today and Im pretty sure that it's toatoled.

732xghost

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that for the F20C (s2k motor)

732xghost

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?????

97BlackAckCL

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sounds like you gettin guud edumuhcation

CL Platano

another candidate for A-Zine Hooked on Phonics class

97BlackAckCL

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AgentOrange

let me clear things up.


The F20C ( s2k ) is nothing like the F20b ( Euro R ). They have different blocks and different head desighns altogether.


Secondly, For you purpous, i would buy the H22 over the F20B. Not only will you get more TQ with the H powerplant, but you can also take the F20Bs intake manifold and strike it on the H block for better flow. At that point, all you'll need is this:

To keep it simple and NA it will take the following
Dave's port match work ( take the TB and IM to him and he will bore it all out to max spec with tapper. for 160 he'll port match to IM and do the TB
www.maxbore.com
0.030 off the head ( better take it to a machine shop for this ) 100$
Crower cams street setup 350-529.99
Euro R intake manifold 229.99-289.99
RMF header ( heat wrapped or not....its up to you ) 900 or less
17 inch test pipe with 1 o2 bung and a 2.5 inch flange 70 or less
2.5 inch exhaust all they way back 300
BB6 JDM airbox or CAI of your choice ( i would say ITBS but for cost's sake ) 189.99
Fujita or aem filter 40 if your using a cai/sri
Hondata S200 199.99 or lower
200$ dyno time
launch control ( for draging ) 89.99-220.99

Thats it. high quality I/H/E and tuning with a mild shave and your set.

SmokinH22CL

yup that's definitely set for NA.

RMF header FTW

5-speed

will an f20b intake mani bolt up to an f22, or would it have the same problems as bolting an h mani onto an f block?

AgentOrange

the F20b manifold will not bolt up to an F block without some modification to the ports and some modification to the fuel rail ( youd have to use an f22b/h22 jdm fuel rail, and you'll have to modify your coolant pipe. ( id use the A1 pipe

5-speed

basically the same mods it would take to make an h IM fit an f block? I dont really guess itd be worth it right now, especially since i dont have exhaust...

thanks man