dustbuster4

I was given a quote of $2200 for a complete package.

Some of the highlights include an entirely new nitrous system (NX), mostly likely starting with a 100-shot, 4-nozzle entry, MSD ignition (mainly for retarding the ignition), secondary fuel supply (either a line directly from the gas tank, or a sepatate fuel cell), VAFC, fuel pressure regulator, larger fuel pump, stronger axles, and complete dyno tyning. Obviously, all labor is included.

I think it's kinda high, but it's a local joint (whom I trust) and can take the car back for adjustments, etc. if needed.

Also, I'll now get a 25% reduction on my N2O refills!

All feedback is welcome and encouraged.

Jamz

Just do a Rolex swap with them....don't you have like 30 laying around?

bryanz3.0cl

where are you having it done?

OT-did you retard your timing with your 75 shot? and when your spraying on a roll, do you flip the nitrous switch on and then floor it or do you floor your car and then flip the switch. im anxious to try my kit out but i dont want it to downshift and spray nitrous at the same time blowing my tranny up.

niedejb

Looks like >$1600 in parts alone.

Figure a couple hours on the dyno $75-125/hr.

Not too bad. But still a ton of $.



Do it all yourself and just pay for the dyno. Hardest part would be the seperate fuel supply.

SumkidwithaCL

what do you need a seperate fuel supply for??

I think you should save your money for a SC or custom turbo. Or a 6-speed swap.

niedejb

FS:NOS Direct Port Pro Race Fogger Setup!! 575.00 shipped!!

blo2ck

How much faster is this suppossed to make your car?
2,200 is alot of bills$
From 14's to 13's right?

joeshmoe

You might be abe to get a better price on the labor but I doubt it. Plus like u said, you'd be ab;e to get them to make any necessary adjustments after and as long as they guarntee their work, your covered.

In my opinion, its not worth the money. I'd much rather invest in an engine swap which will be more useful in your daily driving, not just at the track.

unstopable

i was thinking the same but i didnt know it would caust 2200 for the nos but with labor and all the needed component's i guess it's worth it if i had the money i would do it i think the power gain's the the best for the buck going s/c isnt worth it 3900 for 30-50hp(meaning 14.4 with intake header and exhaust) gain and a custom turbo with that week tranny at least when you have nos it's for a maximum of 10 sec. i think im going o go with the nos fogger system how big off a shot because if you going to go all out why not get a 125 or dual stage 150 shot? and i was going to say what mod's do you have so that the tranny can support all the power?

bryanz3.0cl

once you get the 100 shot how long do you expect your tranny to last. fastvtec went through 3-4 trannys on the 100 shot alone before he upgraded to the dual stage setup. if you want to go any faster, do what i have done and realize you need to do 6 speed swap to go any faster with the cl or buy a car you can mess with and keep the cl as a daily driver.

okccl

I've helped my friend hoffhines a little with his car and it was the biggest mess you could imagine. He did the 6spd tranny swap along with the axles after he broke his stock ones. I'm not sure how much he paid for his 150 wet but i know he got a deal on ebay. But to strengthen your tranny you have to do a swap if you want to do it right. Also the biggest help came from the dyno with the AEM programmable ECU, it works so well when it dynoed. IMO it seems that you might be paying for some things that you could otherwise find used a bit cheaper.

moforose3.0

Thats alot of money for nitrous- how much longer do you think your tranny will hold up with that 100 shot?

haiduc

fugget it. just get the comptech s/c and keep the zex kit. you can always go down to a smaller pulley if you feel the need.

i wouldnt go off and spend that much money on n2o. you're looking at a bigger whp gain with the direct port. true. but the discount on refills is still going to be taxing when you're spraying that much IMO.

i know the s/c is more expensive, but i would go that route. plus it sounds cool.

JMO, Rick.

dcsquirm88

Rick I'm the process of doing the same thing on my h22. $2,200 does seem like alot to me as well. You can pick up the nitrous kit for around $500-$600. I picked up a walbro 255 high pressure fuel pump for like $100 shipped from a site that niedejb hooked me up with. I allready have an fpr, vafc and msd. Next thing I need is bigger injectors, might just use dsm 450 cc injectors for free. I suggest you get larger injectors as well. The big problem with running a big shot of nitrous is haveing enough fuel so that your engine doesn't lean out. Install is being done by me and my friend that owns a shop. All in all around $1,000 or so. Price doesn't include all the other goodies that I'll end up using from the zex kit (bottle warmer, gauge, etc...) Sure I'm not paying for labor but for some reason $2,200 seems like alot especially to spray a 25 shot larger tahn you allready have.

Couple of question why the seperate fuel system and why 4 port when you have a six cylinder and therefore 6 ports?

dustbuster4

I did NOT retard the timing for the 75-shot. You don't really need to.

As for the switch, I have mine on, all of the time. When I want a shot, I just floor it. If their is a situation where I need WOT, but don't want a shot, I just flip the switch off before hitting WOT.



JamzCL: Right, one of the Rollies is gettin' sold for this one!

niedejb: Thanks for the input, I'm contemplating doing what I can, and leaving the rest to the shop. Also, thanks for the NOS link!

SumkidwithaCL: The separate fuel supply would be specifically for the Dual-stage N2O/gasoline mixture. I fotgot to mention that piece in the original post! I can set-up a seperate fuel cell, or tap an additional line into the gas tank. I've considered a custom turbo, but I don't want to spend another $2000+. I'm getting a 3.0 4-Speed Auto tranny custom race-built, and that's gonna cost some $$$.

blo2ck: With slicks, I can already hit the upper 13's. This should get me at least into the low 13's (or lower).



Everyone else: I should have referred to my other thread. I'm looking into getting a custom built racing tranny, built from a 3.0CL 4-Speed Auto core. I may get a great deal, as I will be the prototype for a nationally-known Racing Auto Tranny Builder who is located locally. They're branching into Sport Compact, and the trannies they've already done are incredible!

It's a hell of a lot of money, but seriously, I can't think of many options. We've got the S/C--over-priced and under-powered, a custom turbo--$4000-$6000, engine swap--I guess I could turbo an H22a for what, $5000-$6000??? or a 3.2 Type 'S' for even more, or go nitrous for $2200 plus tranny (I honestly don't know what the tranny will cost). Except for the engine swaps, the 3.0 tranny will need to be rebuilt anyway. Hence the reason I decided to go with the N2O set-up.


I appreciate all opinions, and REALLY want to hear more. Keep the ideas coming!


EDIT:

dcsquirm88: Thanks for the correction! It IS 6-port, and NOT 4-port

I also forgot to mention that It will be a dual stage set-up. 150-shot total.

bryanz3.0cl

if you want to get into the 13's that bad...take out the passenger and rear seats, buy some nitto 555R's or some real slicks for up front, use some spare tires in your rear, set your rear shocks to the stiffest setting and have just enough gas to get down the track.

btw, what shop is building your tranny for you?

MaCe

pretty hardcore rick ... im jealous

MaCe

dustbuster4

Engine work = Maryland Performance Center (Sponsor of 75-80 Dragway)

Tranny work = Performance Automatic www.performanceautomatic.com

97Acura3.0CL

hey rick, nice cant wait to see all your work finally done. when do you plan to start on this upgrade extravenganza? i say start asap so we can see if the trany will work. i cant wait to see a 6 port nitrous dual stage set up in a cl. rick you make me jealous. get it started so i can see if i can do it to keep up with all your senoirs in the cl club.

rebeltruce

Rick or anyone else with the ZEX 75 shot, you don't retard the timing???????

I'll be installing my ZEX this weekend, and was concerned about this, the instructions do say to retard the timing with the 65 and 75 shot. I believe ya but could you explain why retarding the timing isn't needed?

I'm relieved I won't have to buy anything else and can run a 75 shot right up front. Just want a little more info.

dcsquirm88

I did the same thing a 75 shot with no retard on my f23a. The only way to retard the timing on a obd2 car is with msd or some other aftermarket ignition. You can't rotate the distributor back like on obd1 cars.

infiniteq

rebeltruce - I think using 93 octane fuel will retard your timing just enough. I've been using mine this way and it runs great.

dust - this is a pretty ambitious project. I'm most interested in knowing how the custom transmission will work out. I'm sure a bunch of us would like one as soon as they're ready.

30CLstyle

Rick, ur the man, u are my hero, i say go for it, hagle the price down a bit though,

and when u finish, are u still goin to want ur Zex??, Ill take it off ur hands if ud like

dustbuster4

Well . . . I said "fuck it" to the direct port set-up!

Too much $$$!!!!!! :thumbsdn:

So . . . . Today, I bought the Zex wet kit with an extra 100-shot jet.

I also got the remote bottle opener, a new bottle warmer, and pressure gauge.

I'll install them as soon as they arrive.

Next step is to get a set of drag radials, and look into getting a set of beefed-up axles.

I can't wait until the tracks open!!! I'm glad I bought my helmet!

97Acura3.0CL

nice to hear rick. i liked the idea of the direct port but money is an issue always. take lots of pics when you get em in

moforose3.0

By retarding the timing you would actually lose H.P. When running nitrous you should only advance the timing.

dajuice27

Rick,

You're my boy, and now you are scaring me!

dcsquirm88

Sorry mofo but your totally wrong on this one. You have to retard your ignition timing or face detonation problems. Its a known fact and is in every nitrous manual. If you don't believe me got to zex.com and read the instruction manual. You only need a significant retard on 75 shot or larger.

dustbuster4

Yeah, Zex recommends a 4 degree retard for the 75-shot.

So far, I've gotten away with just running 93 octane with the occasional bottle of 108 Octane.

Any suggestions on the 100-shot (as far as timing adjustment)?

shatooi

hey rick, are u still the dry kit then??? cuz if u are i'm very interested bro....let me know

dustbuster4

Shahab,

Sorry, the dry kit was promised to my Uncle some time ago.

Since he's helped me with most of my mod installs, I offered it to him in exchange for $$$ and help with the Wet kit install.

Also, there were 4 others who also asked about it. Sorry everyone!

moforose3.0

my bad, It must have been advancing the timing that would actually lose H.P.- Sorry