Cocoa

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Here is the link on what's needed to get this done, where, and why:

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ead.php?t=7552

Here is the link of the effects of the swap and what to look forward to, the results, and why:

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...+accord+engine

I get asked a lot of the same questions, so I htought I'd share this with the new members of the boards that are interested in this CLS cam swap.

CLS cams and gaskets = $250
CLS rear cam machined = $130 (plus shipping both ways)
CLS cam install = range of $400-$900 (depends on who you know and where you live)

And some dyno's:

http://v6performance.net/forums/show...654&forumid=97

range anywhere from 9-15whp. Of course they had the advantage it being that they are able to use the CLS intake manifold and CLS throttle body.

And to answer some questions in advance:

No, the CLS throttle body will not work for our cars it being that they do not have an egr port into the throttle body like we do. And to make the CLS manifold work onto our cars is costly and has been said to have not been worth it. That is what was said on the v6p boards as well. I do not speak from experience in reference to the CLS manifold. Also the egr valve does not connect to the CLS manifold like it does with our cars. That'd be another problem you'd run into in trying to get this to work with our cars wihtout throwing a CEL. I believe our injector base would have to be cut as well to allow the CLS manifold sit on our heads.

Anyways, thought I'd share this with the new J30 members.

ajtcl

Nice work

Diesirae

hrm.. dead link on that part's list ...
Cocoa can you repost?

subbuzz

9-15 to the wheels is pretty damn good...............

zguy95135

Wow thats a lot of $$ for 15hp :/

subbuzz

^^^look at the price of e/i/h/p+install and compare......

Diesirae

In the world of mod rides, it's not any one part or upgrade:
it's the result of all your mods and how the work together.

saiko_cl_duck

thanks Cocoa, i've already bought the cams, just trying to figure out how to do it. I'll see how it all goes.

lnsyone

97BlackAckCL

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and the dead link is to v 6 performance .net (no spaces) just add that into the link and you'll be fine

agranado

an intake by itself really wont do much. an intake and headers does a little more. throw an exhaust, and each will do better. a crank pulley, and more power as well.

individually, each part has minimal gains. Used together they do more (especially after a tune)

starboy2nv

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aka captian planet...

ghost_masterCL

The power is YOURS!!

danielsmi

<<< WHAT THE FUCK!!! Captain Planet, aww I think I see captain planet, I don't give a fuck I'm the Juggernaut he can't fuck with me. What the fucks he gonna tell me to do get some toothpaste. Colgate for the Juggernaut ain't that a bitch!!


with your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!! Captain Planet he's our hero he's gonna take pollution down to zero, he's our powers magnified and he's fighting on the planet's side.

Yeah that show was the shit, thanks Ted Turner know I recycle everything cause of you. I even remember that rap part at the end but I don't want to e-embarass myself as much as I already have.

If you don't get my first comment about the Juggernaut and Captain Planet. watch this video please, it's the funniest video ever and I stand by that.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hy6GyavvwXI

starboy2nv

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ROFL

97BlackAckCL

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s these days, they think they slap an intake and turbonator on their car and get 100 whp

Cocoa

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bump for new comers

Palayah8ta

trying to beat out blackack for poster of the year award?

97BlackAckCL

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He was bumping it for me I believe cuz I asked him a question

Cocoa

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I'll get you the info you need Chris. This I found when searching for an old thread, and I thought I'd just bump it since I remembered someone asking for parts on the J30. Anyways, I do remember telling you about the CLS throttle body/manifold and remembered that the CLS manifold does not have an EGR port like ours do. But I'll dig up the info on how the guy went about dealing with his check engine light.

Palayah8ta

also u can see a lot better gains with a tuning device like VAFC ..

oh and chris check out cocoa's suspension thread. it really needs to be in the noob guide

Cocoa

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There's a lot of stuff I posted in the past (like 2-4 years ago) that I'd like to see stickied. I should one day put it all together and see if we can make it a sticky. I'm forgetting a lot of the old stuff since I'm dealing with a different engine now. Makes me feel like shatz!

saiko_cl_duck

We'll see what we can do with the info in the noob guide.

97BlackAckCL

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I actually have several threads of yours that I want to stickie, just don't want to overrun the top of the forum like other threads, I was thinking of linking them for the j30, and dumping a bunch of h22 thread links in there as well. Chris I'll get with you about trying to organize some of these.

Cocoa

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There is another set for sale for $250. PM me with your email address if you want the link. I'll even provide you with the company that machines the cams for you. That costs around $130 to do plus shipping both ways. Just so you know...

starboy2nv

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wtf was i thinking when i posted this LOL

97BlackAckCL

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NightRider

Nice timing Cocoa, good lookin on the info. I posted this a few days back in a 2G thread...

"If people didn't know, since the heads are so similar on the J30A1 (98-02 Accord/1G CL) and the J32A2 (01-03 CL/TLS), it is fairly easy and inexpensive to swap in J32A2 cams (COUGH, ATTN: 1G CL, 2G TLP's, COUGH)."

Cocoa

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Chris! What i found out for you today about the manifold swap. This is a direct quote from a member from another forum.

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How's it going. Yea, I had the manifold swap done a couple years back between UPRD and Area 51. The main issues were fuel rail routing/injector sizes and IMRC valve functionality. In the end, the IMRC valve probably doesn't work identically to OEM but I've never examined a CL-S to find out.

In regards to your issues:

1. Not sure what EGR port you're referring to, but I'm assuming the one in between the lower intake runners and the manifold towards the driverside of the flange. Mine has this EGR port just as my j30a1 manifold and runners did. Perhaps you're referring to the j32a1 manifold and not the j32a2 manifold.

2. Also not sure what you're referring to here, as there's no hose that runs off of the egr valve directly to the throttle body on my j30a1 tb, nor the j32a2 tb that I have.
Perhaps you're referring to the breather hose that runs from the FR Valve cover to the air intake. Or perhaps another vacuum line. If it's another vacuum line, you can always install a splitter so vacuum is supplied to the necessary tubes. I know I have a 4 way splitter which was necessary for the vacuum hose that runs to the thermostat housing area.

3. This is indeed an issue. Injector housing on the lower runners are shallower I believe and require different injectors, or you use your a1 lower runners/injectors and port match accordingly to the the manifold. I was always curious to see this setup. UPRD did some searching I'm not really clear what runners or injectors they got, but the ports match up on the head flanges and are slightly uneven on the manifold flange. I believe they used j32a1 runners but I'm not sure on this. Same with injectors. They ended up screwing around with fuel line running and cause me a headache which I corrected by swapping out the FR fuel rail they had used (which they drilled and used custom line to which ended up leaking) and swapped completely to 01-up fuel line setup. This might not be an issue depending on what year the car is in question with the j30a1 (98-99 have different setup than 00-02 with Accords, I can send diagrams if needed). Whatever you can do to solve it in your own way is fine.

5. PCV routing just requires a new hose. Nothing big.

6. IMRC Valve was opened by taking cruise control cable and mounting it directly to valve control on passenger side of manifold. Vacuum diaphragm was then unplugged from cruise control switch, and a relay was installed to allow a circuit from the APEX'i Rev/Speed Meter to trigger vacuum to be applied to the cable at a desired RPM set at the Rev/Speed Meter. IMRC is normally controlled by reversible polarity electrical motor and the engine harness and a control module along with the PCM. This might not just be based on RPM but throttle opening as well as load, don't know.

If you have more questions, let me know. Hope this helps some. If you spend a lot of money on the manifold swap, it's not worth it."
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So anyways, the issues I had originally had told you about, either only affects the 98-99 Accords (as they are different from the 00-02), or I was just misinformed in the threads I read. But anyways, hope this helps.

97BlackAckCL

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Chris, tried PM'ing you, but your box is full as usual. So I figured I'd throw the important questions up in here anyway since others might be interested in our secret plots

Hey, seems like a lot of modification, I have an extra stock plenum that I was planning to port and pollish, so I'm gonna stick with the original plan, and probably either p&p the TB or get a larger one. I def wanna do the CL-S cam swap, I may buy that set on v 6 p but I gotta see how much money i have a week b4 xmas, if they're still around in Jan I'll def get them. The place that built the 3.0 turbo civic said he'll p&p the plenum, so we'll see how that goes, that with the cl-s cams, and eventually the swap you and I discussed and bigger injectors and I should be moving. Any ideas on bigger TB's that might work? I was looking at one that claimed to be universal honda, but not sure if it'll fit the j30a1 plenum, cuz nohing does lol. I dunno, what you think? Also had another question for you. I'm replacing the ignition with an MSD SCI 6300 and ss blaster coil, do I still need the CL-S cam machined for the dizzy? Is it just to turn it? I'm not sure how that works. -Chris

Cocoa

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bump for new comers.

the links I posted won't work because they lead you to another forum we are permitted from mentioning. it's v-6-p for those of you that know it.

Cocoa

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bump for ethanol