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Old 09-10-2015, 11:44 AM
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Anyone DIY Timing Belt?

I'm contemplating doing the timing belt replacement on my 2008 MDX by myself, but I'm sure it's probably a PITA. I have the tools and a pretty good idea of how to do it, but something unexpected always pops up with these types of jobs. For example, I'm anticipating having difficulty removing the crank bolt and/or motor mount. Or the service manual not mentioning something critical assuming the person performing the service already knows, etc. Has anyone here tackled this job themselves, and how did it go? Would you do it again? I already have the OEM timing belt kit, so it's just labor at this point.

One issue I can see running into is the timing marks not lining up afterwards and having to reposition the belt, which will require removing the hydraulic tensioner. I do not have a shop press for compressing the tensioner, so that worries me.

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<p>it's the same as EVERY other J-series engine.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>there is a very great write up in the 3rd gen TL section.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>also, when I did mine, I watched youtube videos.</p><p>the videos actually do them on a J35 from an MDX</p>
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Here's a basic DIY guide for you guys considering on doing the 105k service yourself. Below will be the basic list of materials and tools you need to complete the job. Feel free to add anything that I may have omitted in the writeup. A few notes about the task, find at least a half empty garage to do it and give yourself the weekend to complete it. Start early Saturday morning and if you're lucky and everything goes right, you're done early Saturday afternoon.. If not.. late Sunday Afternoon. Most importantly, I take no responsibility if you attempt this DIY and fuck something up. <img alt="" src="images/smilies/smile.gif" title="Smile" /> <u><strong> Parts</strong></u> Timing Belt Drivebelt Water Pump TB Adjuster TB Auto Tensioner TB Idler Pulley 170F Thermostat NGK Laser Iridium plus #6994 Brake Cleaner Anti Seize Thread Locker PB Blaster 2gals Coolant 50/50 (silicate free - Honda Type 2 / Prestone) Shop Towels <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4815864795_baf745f951_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>Tools</strong></u> Hydraulic Jack Jack Stands Wood Block At least a 2' Breaker Bar (Can be rented at Autozone for free, or bought at AZ or HF for ~$20) Impact Sockets &amp; Extensions - CP 19mm 10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 17mm socket set, deep neck and normal 10mm angled / elbow wrench, standard metric wrench set Torque Wrench at least 200 ft lb spec (Can be rented at Autozone for free) Mirror, Magnet, Metallic tray, Gloves (optional but very useful) Pan to hold used coolant Gloves <u><strong>Prep</strong></u> Engine cool Dry covered secure place - garage <u><strong>1.</strong></u> Remove all covers, unplug battery, raise front end and put up on jacks, remove front pass wheel, remove lower front splash guard. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4078/4816178772_181fce8961_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>2.</strong></u> Remove Rad Res, Remove spark plugs, place coils in a safe location - helps when turning Crank and cams to leave them out until after TB job. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4121/4816179280_fe1bfee7fd_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>3.</strong></u> Unhook PS res and tuck it out of the way, Remove drive belt, remove belt tensioner (learned the hard way) <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4815556619_2379167e01_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>4. </strong></u>Place jack with wood block under oil pan to support engine, remove side engine mount bracket &amp; side engine mount <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4815556701_7e85e5edcd_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>5.</strong></u> Turn CP to line up the CP, rear &amp; front cam marks (1st piston TDC position) - verify front, rear might be off a little. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4815556763_2516d500b6_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>6.</strong></u> Remove CP bolt.. ffffuuuu!!! If you can get an impact wrench, get one. Otherwise don't be pussy, wedge the hex tool with a breaker bar &amp; using another breaker bar, remove CP bolt. I used 2' breaker bar and impact sockets &amp; extensions to get the job done. I soaked the bolt in some PB, not sure if helped but I got it off. It should be easy to remove after the initial pop. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/4815556741_72ef9475cc_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>7.</strong></u> Remove upper and lower TB covers. Don't pry the covers off otherwise you might damage the seal on the edge. Remove remaining engine mount bracket. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4815556797_4fe5f777c9_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>8. </strong></u>Get all the timing marks in spec with the body, remove idler pulley, remove CP, remove TB, remove adjuster, remove auto tensioner <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4816179868_704b89e179_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4816179896_a189085e35_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4816178788_da16ed75c9_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4816178814_09e961c4df_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4816178876_55b13c7644_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4816178918_e062e00c71_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>9.</strong></u> Open radiator cap on top and then open up bottom radiator cap to drain Coolant from rad. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4815556077_01cb6ba42f_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>10.</strong></u> Don't bother with rear engine coolant drain, it's a PITA bleeder valve to get to.. I was able to open it up but not a lot of coolant came out. I consulted 240sx and he said they just pop the WP and let the coolant spill out in the shop and to spray down with Brake cleaner to evaporate everything. If you want to bleed it from the rear of the block get a 1/8&rdquo; long hose leading to your fluid container and open up the valve with a wrench. If you decide to open up the WP without draining, put l long tray underneath the area collect the coolant and pack paper towels around the CP sensor assy. Remove the Water Pump. Soak up excess coolant and spray down CP area / WP seal and Timing Belt cover areas with lots of Brake Cleaner. Wipe Clean. Make sure CP area is completely dry and WP seal areas are clean as well as timing belt cover areas. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4816178944_c018fb3f19_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>11.</strong></u> Install new WP, Idler Pulley, Adjuster, Auto Tensioner &ndash; tighten battery tie down against adjuster <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4075/4816179184_f5e546b05b_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>12.</strong></u> Check your TDC marks and install new TB starting at the CP &ndash; counter clockwise. There should be ZERO SLACK all the way to the adjuster. All the slack should be at the adjuster / tensioner. Tighten idler pulley to spec once TB is on. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4093/4815556195_a7844882d9_b.jpg" /> <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4116/4815556229_0a5e38d5dc_b.jpg" /> Check your TDC marks again after the belt is on <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4816179316_4ecf8c4026_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>13.</strong></u> Clean up CP gear and shim with brake cleaner, reinstall shim (should be lip out) &amp; CP. Clean up CP bolt and lubricate end threads and neck of CP bolt between head and washer with fresh oil. Install bolt loosely and cycle crank six times, check TDC marks (front / rear cam &amp; CP marks). If they don't line up, redo TB installation. Wedge the hex tool again to keep the CP from moving and spec in the bolt to 181 ft.lbs. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4816179400_8bb64626c4_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>14.</strong></u>Replace timing covers, side mount bracket, drivebelt tensioner, check TDC marks for sanity. Remember.. check TDC marks with block not covers. Replace Drivebelt starting at CP, push tensioner back and slip top of Drivebelt over PS pump pulley. Replace Side Engine Mount, clean up securing bolts first. Torque into spec. Release jack from oil pan. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4816179456_d619f51868_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>Thermostat</strong></u> <u><strong>1.</strong></u> Remove intake, remove securing bolts on thermostat <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4815556457_05e364b0e7_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>2.</strong></u> Replace Thermostat with new one / new gasket. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4815556645_46d0c32f1c_b.jpg" /> <u><strong>Spark Plugs</strong><strong> &amp; Burping</strong></u> Install plugs and coils. Make sure to apply anti seize to end of the thread on the plugs. Replace Rad Res and refill rad. Do a triple check on all harness connections and look for any missing bolts, etc.. Verify everything is back together. Don&rsquo;t forget to secure the PS Res. Plug in battery and tighten clamps. Start the car and let it get to op temp to burp the coolant system. <img alt="" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4815556501_2d4feb7b76_b.jpg" /> Put the car back together and on the ground then take it for a ride.. the SM says to put it on the street and keep it in 2nd then let it drop from 2.5k down as part of the relearning drive cycle but I think it's only applicable when interfacing with the HDS. Not sure.. But other than that, that's it. I'm sure I left some stuff out or neglected to mention some things but that's the basics of the 105k service. I recommend doing a valve adjustment at this time as well. It's an additional few steps after the TB removal but definitely worth it. I have new heads that have been ported with new hardware going in as well, so with my limited time I opted to skip the valve adjustment. Special thanks to MisterFubar for selling me his Timing Kit at such a good price and 240sx acura tech for the inside tips on the job. <img alt="" src="images/smilies/thumbsup.gif" title="Thumbs Up" />
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Thanks for posting that. Has me reconsidering. Not that I wouldn't be able to do it, but because I'm not sure I have the time or patience. If everything wasn't packed so tight, I wouldn't hesitate. BTW, what is the first "FFFFUUUUU" comment referring to after removing the engine mount? Did something break? Is the engine mount a PITA to get off?
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And did he put those red timing marks on the cam sprockets and head or were those already there? Why don't they line up with the markings on the head? The photo of the front sprocket (left photo) looks off. The marking on the teeth doesn't line up with the sprocket face. What's up with that? Is the red paint mark for the sprocket face and the groove on the engine block for the marking on the teeth? Why the hell would Acura do this?

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Those are nice instructions, however, i'd still leave it to someone that's done it before.
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Thanks for posting that. Has me reconsidering. Not that I wouldn't be able to do it, but because I'm not sure I have the time or patience. If everything wasn't packed so tight, I wouldn't hesitate. BTW, what is the first &quot;FFFFUUUUU&quot; comment referring to after removing the engine mount? Did something break? Is the engine mount a PITA to get off?
</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LOL,&nbsp; the Crank Bolt Pulley is a bitch to get off. without power tools, it took me a week to get it off.</p><p>everyday, i would come back to it and wrench on it with my breakerbars.</p>
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LOL, the Crank Bolt Pulley is a bitch to get off. without power tools, it took me a week to get it off.
everyday, i would come back to it and wrench on it with my breakerbars.
I have air tools and breaker bars and have been soaking the bolt in PB Blaster for the past two weeks, so hopefully it will come off. It's the engine mount and other hard to reach bolts that concern me. Everything is packed in there so tight!
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<p>once you start removing the side mount and power steering pump, there's more space to work.</p><p>still cramped tho.</p><p>I have tiny asian girl hands.....and it was still tight.</p>
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Didn't read anywhere about removing the PS pump. I'm assuming it isn't required, but makes your life easier?
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Any tools that were critical to the job, other than the ones listed? For example, when I replaced the PS pump last year, I didn't have a thin-wall 10mm wrench to get the bolt off the hose connector. Thankfully my neighbor had one. I noticed in the above directions that there is one bolt for the engine mount that is tucked away and requires an elbow adapter, which I have, but I've never had much luck using the adapter when any significant amount of torque is required. It's these annoying little things that has me reconsidering.
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I watched very extensive (2 hour) You Tube video on changing the timing belt on a J series engine and I am pretty confident I can do it. I spent a couple hundred dollars on tools specifically for the job, so I am going to follow through. I planned on starting last weekend, but found that there are three bolts Acura recommends replacing, so I have those on order. Hopefully I'll be able to start this weekend or the following weekend. I'll post back with the outcome--hopefully a positive one!
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Originally Posted by mossman77
I watched very extensive (2 hour) You Tube video on changing the timing belt on a J series engine and I am pretty confident I can do it. I spent a couple hundred dollars on tools specifically for the job, so I am going to follow through. I planned on starting last weekend, but found that there are three bolts Acura recommends replacing, so I have those on order. Hopefully I'll be able to start this weekend or the following weekend. I'll post back with the outcome--hopefully a positive one!
Please provide a link to that video. Thanks.
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Part 1: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEg9_OCas_w
Part 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izi6O0ai-wY

IMO, the video could have been trimmed down to under an hour. He spends a significant amount of time re-emphasizing simplistic things like markings on the timing belt and other things that should be obvious to someone confident enough to tackle this job. Nontheless, it is a good video and he covers mostly everything. My only other complaint is that he only uses his torque wrench once (idler pulley I believe). At the end, he uses a regular ratchet to tighten the crank bolt and comments on how it isn't necessary to tighten it to 181 ft-lbs because the bolt "isn't going anywhere". 181 ft-lbs is a lot and he definitely didn't tighten it anywhere near that.

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<p>I'm in the camp of; if its in the way remove it.&nbsp;</p><p>makes life much easier, however, I know that there are mechanics out there that do shortcuts.&nbsp;</p><p>there's many ways to skin a cat, choose the easiest way that makes sense to you, as video and pictures were provided.&nbsp;</p><p> and good luck!&nbsp;</p>
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I agree 100%. Removing the power steering pump is no big deal, so that's what I'll do.

After removing all of the old components, is it okay to spray the engine, pulleys, etc. with brake cleaner followed by compressed air, or is that not good because of the oil seals? The stuff dries so quickly that it seems like it would be fine. Maybe Simple Green and water would be better?
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<p>if things are that greasy, i'd do the simple green and water route.&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>i'd use carb cleaner any where that there wasnt any seals. use your best judgement!! things can always be replaced. lol&nbsp;</p>
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If removing PS pump, might as well do a PS fluid drain/refill tooo!!


two birds one stone!!
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Just did a drain/refill/flush over the summer.
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