My Build Thread - bordering on more BS! 56K Beware

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 04:45 PM
  #1681  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Originally Posted by Aman
Any idea why the diff bearings went out? I'm not well versed in these things, but if it's the extra power that's giving you problems, then maybe a rebuild with beefier parts is worth it?
I honestly think that this has something to do with how my axle snapped last year. I did a quick pull one night and the passenger side axle snapped, putting a lot of stress on the diff and bearings. Since then there was a slight vibration whenever accelerating and decelerating. I chalked it up to shitty roads - stupid me. I suspect that when the CV joints let go last Wednesday, the unbalanced load on the diff accelerated the wear on the bearings.

If there were beefier parts out there Id look into it. The only parts Ive seen were carbon fiber synchros but thats crazy money that Im not spending.

Originally Posted by zeta
There are a few on car-part.com in VA; however, they don't look cheap. In addition, there are a couple CL-S6's in VA as well.

Good Luck.
Thanks. Ive seen a few out there in the $1600+ range. Im trying to hold out for something in the $1000-1200 range. I can drive the car at the moment, but I cant really get on it repeatedly otherwise the vibration/shuddering gets stronger. Id like to hold out until late October/November before swapping it.
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:03 PM
  #1682  
zeta's Avatar
Suzuka Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,904
Likes: 2,210
From: S. Florida
Originally Posted by NVA-AV6
If you grab the inner joint at the trans housing, do you get play, if so sounds like the diff bearings......
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Thanks. Ive seen a few out there in the $1600+ range. Im trying to hold out for something in the $1000-1200 range. I can drive the car at the moment, but I cant really get on it repeatedly otherwise the vibration/shuddering gets stronger. Id like to hold out until late October/November before swapping it.
Other than the in-car symptoms that one may notice like the 'vibration/shuddering' you mentioned above, is there any other info. that NVA-AV6 may have offered that would help diagnose diff bearing issues? He mentions the 'play' from the inner joint at the trans housing above? Is that in/out play versus circular play, or both? I don't think I have seen any mention of this type of issue on AZine before.

Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:03 PM
  #1683  
NVA-AV6's Avatar
BANNED
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 695
Likes: 35
Originally Posted by Aman
Any idea why the diff bearings went out? I'm not well versed in these things, but if it's the extra power that's giving you problems, then maybe a rebuild with beefier parts is worth it?
I am going to be looking into bearing options, but the stock taper roller bearings are already a grade 7 bearings, can't get much better than that as far as a direct upgrade. But I know Timken has some interesting mil spec bearings that are used in things like the AH64 and Kiawa helicopters (I used to work on them when I was in the army) that I may look into to see if I can find something colse to the dimensions needed.

Originally Posted by zeta
There are a few on car-part.com in VA; however, they don't look cheap. In addition, there are a couple CL-S6's in VA as well.

Good Luck.
I don't want anything with more than 50K miles on it, also I suggest 05+ since any before then may have the old 3rd/4th synco set that has been giving issues.
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:06 PM
  #1684  
NVA-AV6's Avatar
BANNED
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 695
Likes: 35
Originally Posted by zeta
Other than the in-car symptoms that one may notice like the 'vibration/shuddering' you mentioned above, is there any other info. that NVA-AV6 may have offered that would help diagnose diff bearing issues? He mentions the 'play' from the inner joint at the trans housing above? Is that in/out play versus circular play, or both? I don't think I have seen any mention of this type of issue on AZine before.

No, not in/out play, but up/down and or left/right. The inner joint should be solidly in the diff to where any play would be the diff bearings or the diff itself.
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:06 PM
  #1685  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Originally Posted by zeta
Other than the in-car symptoms that one may notice like the 'vibration/shuddering' you mentioned above, is there any other info. that NVA-AV6 may have offered that would help diagnose diff bearing issues? He mentions the 'play' from the inner joint at the trans housing above? Is that in/out play versus circular play, or both? I don't think I have seen any mention of this type of issue on AZine before.

Up/down/side to side movement. There should be virtually zero from what Paul told me.

Originally Posted by NVA-AV6
I don't want anything with more than 50K miles on it, also I suggest 05+ since any before then may have the old 3rd/4th synco set that has been giving issues.
My sisters '08 TL-S has the notorious 3rd gear issues, so I dont think they really ever "fixed" it. My brothers 08 Accord has it occasionally as well.

Ive got a few feelers out to some people right now for the tranny. I found one with ~71k miles on it.
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:13 PM
  #1686  
zeta's Avatar
Suzuka Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,904
Likes: 2,210
From: S. Florida
Originally Posted by NVA-AV6
No, not in/out play, but up/down and or left/right. The inner joint should be solidly in the diff to where any play would be the diff bearings or the diff itself.
Thanks NVA-AV6 for the clarification, great input as always.

Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:16 PM
  #1687  
NVA-AV6's Avatar
BANNED
 
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 695
Likes: 35
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
My sisters '08 TL-S has the notorious 3rd gear issues, so I dont think they really ever "fixed" it. My brothers 08 Accord has it occasionally as well.

Ive got a few feelers out to some people right now for the tranny. I found one with ~71k miles on it.
Both 08s are a completely new design, so I am not surprised, but atleast those that I did the syncro update to (at least 15) have not had issues that I have heard of.
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 05:37 PM
  #1688  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Makes sense. I might have a lead on an '05 tranny with 31k on it
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 06:28 PM
  #1689  
rush's Avatar
03 acura cl type s
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 828
Likes: 41
From: 3.7 boost life
My boy as 1 his selling delpts Kenny (302) 276-6537
Old Sep 26, 2011 | 07:52 PM
  #1690  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Yea I already sent him a message. If we can work out a fair price Ill be picking it up.
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 11:15 AM
  #1691  
01CLinprocess's Avatar
Instructor
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 217
Likes: 17
From: Chester, VA
I remember that being one of the first things I said when your axle snapped that night. That sucks man, but hopefully you end up with a nice new tl tranny.
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 12:16 PM
  #1692  
97BlackAckCL's Avatar
Senior Moderator
Regional Coordinator
(Mid-Atlantic)
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 92,764
Likes: 4,682
From: ShitsBurgh
Hope you find one for a good price Morgan
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 12:21 PM
  #1693  
StreetKA's Avatar
Suzuka Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,108
Likes: 575
I hope that next time we meet up you wont try excuses for not racing me.

I hope you find something quick and cheap and we gonna forget about this failure...
Old Sep 27, 2011 | 01:00 PM
  #1694  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Originally Posted by 01CLinprocess
I remember that being one of the first things I said when your axle snapped that night. That sucks man, but hopefully you end up with a nice new tl tranny.
Yea, I think the stress finally caught up to it.

Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
Hope you find one for a good price Morgan
Me too.

Originally Posted by StreetKA
I hope that next time we meet up you wont try excuses for not racing me.

I hope you find something quick and cheap and we gonna forget about this failure...
There will be a next time. If all goes well I hope to have the new tranny in by the end of October.
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 04:22 AM
  #1695  
rush's Avatar
03 acura cl type s
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 828
Likes: 41
From: 3.7 boost life
[QUOTE=StreetKA;13261144]I hope that next time we meet up you wont try excuses for not racing

Same goes for you
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 11:22 AM
  #1696  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
So what's the plan for the headlights?
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 03:27 PM
  #1697  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Finish them lol

Its been crazy the past few weeks running up and down the east coast, working, and breaking the car There is a meet this weekend, so I wont be able to get to them until Sunday hopefully. The new plan will mean that this will take much longer then the first set - which I banged out over two days. These will require a lot more finesse since I plan on taking these to a new level.
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 03:31 PM
  #1698  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Finish them lol

Its been crazy the past few weeks running up and down the east coast, working, and breaking the car There is a meet this weekend, so I wont be able to get to them until Sunday hopefully. The new plan will mean that this will take much longer then the first set - which I banged out over two days. These will require a lot more finesse since I plan on taking these to a new level.
You? Finesse? I'll believe it when I see it!
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 03:46 PM
  #1699  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 03:48 PM
  #1700  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Can't wait to see what you'll be up to with your "finesse!"
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 04:47 PM
  #1701  
CLtotheTL32's Avatar
Moderator
15 Year Member
Shutterbug
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 36,790
Likes: 9,618
From: Charlotte
Tyler all of your posts in this thread have seemed a bit homosexual. Keep it to a minimum before I have Steven Bell give you the ban hammer.

Anyways, Morgan have a safe trip down! Where are you staying? I'm leaving Saturday morning with another guy here in the Raleigh/Cary area.
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 06:18 PM
  #1702  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
I was going to stay down the block from the meet but instead I am just going to wake my ass up early Saturday morning and drive down (Im doing everything to cut costs so I can get that transmission sooner). What time are you guys leaving Raleigh? I might as well meet up with you and caravan down.
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 06:42 PM
  #1703  
p.diddy's Avatar
Suzuka Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 5,734
Likes: 729
From: Maryland
why are you switching trannys?
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 06:52 PM
  #1704  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Diff bearings are shot and my 1-2 gear synchros are not far behind. Itll be the quickest way to fix it. I had the 3rd gear synchros and diff bearings replaced when the engine was built.
Old Sep 28, 2011 | 10:05 PM
  #1705  
Jacobpockros's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,648
Likes: 8
From: San Diego, CA
Sounds like you should get a beater to save your CL.

My recommendation!??























Old Sep 28, 2011 | 11:59 PM
  #1706  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
The CL is the beater. The weekend warriors are:





And Ill be adding something else to the stable within the year. The Civic may or may not be finished. If someone buys the engine for it, I'll get rid of everything. If not, Im going to slap it together this winter and have fun with it for a year or two.

Last edited by civicdrivr; Sep 29, 2011 at 12:02 AM.
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:09 AM
  #1707  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Originally Posted by CLtotheTL32
Tyler all of your posts in this thread have seemed a bit homosexual. Keep it to a minimum before I have Steven Bell give you the ban hammer.

Anyways, Morgan have a safe trip down! Where are you staying? I'm leaving Saturday morning with another guy here in the Raleigh/Cary area.
Hmmmmm, Tyler mentioning a lot of males in that post, do you need to come out of the closet?

Morgan what chassis/motor Civic do you have?
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:56 AM
  #1708  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
1990 Civic hatch / K20Z3

These pics are from about two years ago, and the red stuff is primer, not rust.





Goal weight = 1850lbs wet

Based on others with similar setups, it should be good for mid to high 11s with slicks and a good launch.
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:39 PM
  #1709  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Love the K, going NA or boost? EF are not my fav hatches but I'm sure it will still look awesome.
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 02:17 PM
  #1710  
m733l's Avatar
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,072
Likes: 16
From: No. Cal
Originally Posted by civicdrivr
Ill try to get them from my friend.



I absolutely love them. Worth every penny. Its been quite some time since I drop on a stock suspension. They are smoother, more composed then the KSports and not as stiff. But they are definitely stiffer then the Neuspeed Supercups.

Regarding my shitty weekend in NY:

The passenger side axle has been replaced but the driver side (which is the worst one) cannot be removed. The driver side strut fork bolt is frozen in the lower control arm and I can get it out. I hit it with the air hammer and impact and still couldnt break it loose. So Ive got to limp it back to VA from NY in hopes that it is just the axle. Im stopping by Pauls so he can take a look and hopefully break the bolt loose. Worst case - I cut the bolt and replace the lower control arm - which I would have done already if I were home because I have two brand new lower control arms sitting at the house waiting to go in.

If its the diff bearings, Im fucked. Thats $$$ in labor to replace a $30 part. Its difficult to say if its the diff bearings though because there is a shitload of movement on that side of the tranny
really like the fact that you can customize the spring rates on these. do you know what the stock spring rates are?

Originally Posted by e30cabrio
I have had them on my Z for 20k and love them. FWIW.
any problems with their customer service/support after the sale?
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 02:23 PM
  #1711  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
NA. The engine already has a mild build - 70mm BDL throttle body, milled and lightly ported RBC intake, Blueprint stage 3 cams, valve springs, and tuned with a K-Pro. Its all set for high comp pistons but Im probably not going to do that.

Its going to look very stock on the outside, very similar to my old 88 Civic:



But it'll have 15x7" wheels, painted white with black bumpers, and lexan rear windows. Its going to have a CF Si-R style hood to clear the engine, and possibly CF fenders and hatch (painted body color).

The interior will consist of two seats.
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 02:27 PM
  #1712  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Originally Posted by m733l
really like the fact that you can customize the spring rates on these. do you know what the stock spring rates are?
Im not sure. Tein uses 7k/4k IIRC, which to me seems to soft for any sort of spirited driving.
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 03:48 PM
  #1713  
Jacobpockros's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,648
Likes: 8
From: San Diego, CA
You might as well convert that thing to rwd. I know it's a big job, but you've already stripped it out to the frame anyway, and It would be so much more efficient for a dedicated race car. You would have something that is barely heard of. You have all of that room in the back right now to weld in a rear frame to support a rear end. This may be a different chassis than yours (not sure), but same concept:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Xhw...eature=related
Old Sep 29, 2011 | 04:04 PM
  #1714  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
The thought crossed my mind, but then I would have to redo the $1k+ cage and Id rather not do that. It would be cool.

A north-south engine wouldnt fit under my hood though. The K20 is angled back enough that the SiR hood barely clears with the webbing cut out. Thats also the reason I had to have my intake manifold flange milled at an angle so it will clear.

Last edited by civicdrivr; Sep 29, 2011 at 04:09 PM.
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 09:18 AM
  #1715  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Plus throwing an F20/22 in there wouldn't be the cheapest project either. Sounds like quite the nasty little hatch. Can't wait to see it finished!
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 11:30 AM
  #1716  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
The K series is actually a better motor then the F, not to mention aftermarket parts are plentiful. There was a guy in Colorado (I think) that put a K24 into his S2k using an adapter plate he designed. He sold all his F series stuff and did the swap for ~$3k out of pocket and put down more power at the wheels with less mods then his F did. He did lose the 9k rpm redline though. The torque gain was worth it though.

And I can't wait until I finish it either. Hopefully some time this decade
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 11:36 AM
  #1717  
StreetKA's Avatar
Suzuka Master
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,108
Likes: 575
TBH i'd love to see/drive/own a s2000 with J series engine supercharged
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 12:08 PM
  #1718  
civicdrivr's Avatar
Thread Starter
Team Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 36,860
Likes: 8,746
From: VA
Id love that too:





I dont know if they ever got it running. Im interested in what they did with the starter.
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 12:30 PM
  #1719  
zeta's Avatar
Suzuka Master
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 6,904
Likes: 2,210
From: S. Florida
^ Holy Cow!
Old Sep 30, 2011 | 12:46 PM
  #1720  
CLassy02's Avatar
Baller of Uni
 
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,311
Likes: 511
From: Nashville, TN
Yeah I remember seeing that on SH. IMO I think it's silly to take the F out of the S2K, it's just one of the coolest parts of that car. All I want is that tach! So awesome.



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:06 AM.