Dyno (finally ;))
10-26-2009, 10:02 PM
#1
Dyno (finally ;))
Sorry it took me so long to post the chart. My wife blew out our scanner and with work being INSANE the past few weeks I never had a chance to go pick up another one.
As a few of you may know, I was having trouble getting car dyno'd in 4th gear and having it not lean out beyond safe levels in 1-3rd gears. So this chart shows run #1 as my 3rd gear tuned run and run #2 as my 4th gear 'power' run.
We started out early in the day tuning for 4th which was where run #2 was made. After a while I had my tuner switch to 3rd and do a couple of pulls to make sure my lower gears weren't turning to crap. They were. A/F was going north of 14.9. That's when we both said 'screw it' and got the best 'street-able' combination. Unfortunately by the time we had 3rd sorted out, the car was starting to get hot with the lack of air-flow in the shop and we had to call it a day. You can see he gave up early on run #1 because my A/F started to go to shit.
I've been making regular datalogs at home making sure that I'm still in the ball-park with my A/F due to the problems we started seeing at the end of the day. Everything seems to be A-OK when I do.
I'm going to check with a couple of other shops in the area soon-ish and see if I can get a few more runs just to compare results.
Peak #'s: 347 whp / 290 ft. lbs. wtq
Not too bad for a Mustang dyno. I'm still thinking it's got a bit more left in it though. Just need to find a shop that's setup a little better for air-flow. :/
As a few of you may know, I was having trouble getting car dyno'd in 4th gear and having it not lean out beyond safe levels in 1-3rd gears. So this chart shows run #1 as my 3rd gear tuned run and run #2 as my 4th gear 'power' run.
We started out early in the day tuning for 4th which was where run #2 was made. After a while I had my tuner switch to 3rd and do a couple of pulls to make sure my lower gears weren't turning to crap. They were. A/F was going north of 14.9. That's when we both said 'screw it' and got the best 'street-able' combination. Unfortunately by the time we had 3rd sorted out, the car was starting to get hot with the lack of air-flow in the shop and we had to call it a day. You can see he gave up early on run #1 because my A/F started to go to shit.
I've been making regular datalogs at home making sure that I'm still in the ball-park with my A/F due to the problems we started seeing at the end of the day. Everything seems to be A-OK when I do.
I'm going to check with a couple of other shops in the area soon-ish and see if I can get a few more runs just to compare results.
Peak #'s: 347 whp / 290 ft. lbs. wtq
Not too bad for a Mustang dyno. I'm still thinking it's got a bit more left in it though. Just need to find a shop that's setup a little better for air-flow. :/
Great accomplishment dude. 
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10-27-2009, 08:21 AM
#8
Thanks guys. I know that the inevitable 'it's just numbers' and 'dynos vary greatly' will come up soon, and I completely agree with that, which is why I really want to get it on another set of rollers to get a better idea of where it really stands.
From the way that it *feels*, I don't think that these numbers are too far off, but then again the ass dyno isn't exactly the most accurate measurement device in the world. Heh.
From the way that it *feels*, I don't think that these numbers are too far off, but then again the ass dyno isn't exactly the most accurate measurement device in the world. Heh.
10-27-2009, 09:42 AM
#14
So for around $900, you gained about 30+HP and 20+FT/LB. At least compared to me. That's very impressive!! Are these #'s SAE corrected? Sorry if I missed that on the graph. Where did you put your FI/C? Is it on the floor board or in the glove box? Or elsewhere? Also, how much (if any) did you have to hack up the interior? One more question, was this tune with or w/o meth?
10-27-2009, 09:50 AM
#17
So for around $900, you gained about 30+HP and 20+FT/LB. At least compared to me. That's very impressive!! Are these #'s SAE corrected? Sorry if I missed that on the graph. Where did you put your FI/C? Is it on the floor board or in the glove box? Or elsewhere? Also, how much (if any) did you have to hack up the interior? One more question, was this tune with or w/o meth?
Yes, the numbers are SAE corrected. (Though as I mentioned I want to get it on another set of rollers just to compare.)
I was able to squeeze the F/IC just above the factory ECM, but it wasn't easy. There was a bit of cutting involved.
Absolutely 0 interior hackery was necessary. Though I did opt for a remote USB port though for easy tuning. I'll dig up some pics and post them.
Yes, this was done with the meth kit. With it, I was able to run with 0 degrees of timing retard in the F/IC.
10-27-2009, 09:59 AM
#20
Simply, it was because of the all-in-one factor. The ultimate does not control timing, and I don't believe anyone has been able to adjust VTEC on our cars with the ultimate.
Granted I mentioned that I'm running with 0 degrees of timing retard with the F/IC, however I AM utilizing the second map on the F/IC for when my water/meth runs low. It automatically kicks it over to a less aggressive tune with a little bit of timing pulled out and a little additional fuel being dumped in just to be safe.
Granted I mentioned that I'm running with 0 degrees of timing retard with the F/IC, however I AM utilizing the second map on the F/IC for when my water/meth runs low. It automatically kicks it over to a less aggressive tune with a little bit of timing pulled out and a little additional fuel being dumped in just to be safe.
10-27-2009, 10:01 AM
#21
Actually, compared with the ACM, I saw gains over 50+ hp in certain areas. That came from just being able to lean out the mixture a little bit. (With the ACM, I saw A/F ratios as low as 9.2. WAY too rich.)
Yes, the numbers are SAE corrected. (Though as I mentioned I want to get it on another set of rollers just to compare.)
I was able to squeeze the F/IC just above the factory ECM, but it wasn't easy. There was a bit of cutting involved.
Absolutely 0 interior hackery was necessary. Though I did opt for a remote USB port though for easy tuning. I'll dig up some pics and post them.
Yes, this was done with the meth kit. With it, I was able to run with 0 degrees of timing retard in the F/IC.
Yes, the numbers are SAE corrected. (Though as I mentioned I want to get it on another set of rollers just to compare.)
I was able to squeeze the F/IC just above the factory ECM, but it wasn't easy. There was a bit of cutting involved.
Absolutely 0 interior hackery was necessary. Though I did opt for a remote USB port though for easy tuning. I'll dig up some pics and post them.
Yes, this was done with the meth kit. With it, I was able to run with 0 degrees of timing retard in the F/IC.
10-27-2009, 10:16 AM
#23
Pics:
Engine bay
Water/meth pump tucked up inside the passenger-side bumper
USB port and Innovate LM-2 in the glovebox (The USB port looks crooked, but it's because the top of the plastic is curved. It's actually perfectly in-line with the latch bar in the middle.)
Engine bay
Water/meth pump tucked up inside the passenger-side bumper
USB port and Innovate LM-2 in the glovebox (The USB port looks crooked, but it's because the top of the plastic is curved. It's actually perfectly in-line with the latch bar in the middle.)
10-27-2009, 10:20 AM
#25
The part that I LOVE about the LM-2 is that it's an OBD-II scan tool as well so I can monitor intake temps, coolant temps, boost pressure (via analog inputs from the water/meth kit), short/long-term fuel trims, timing advance, etc. No need to have 'hey! look at me!' gauges lining the interior.
10-27-2009, 12:42 PM
#32
No problem guys. Glad to help provide some insight. 
dan, I'm actually using the windshield washer fluid tank as the water/meth reservoir. If you take a closer look at that pic of the pump, you can see a round, black plug just behind the lower horn unit. That's my low-level sensor that I pulled out from the included AEM tank. At the very bottom of the factory tank, there is one spot for the factory washer pump and just to the right of it there is another round 'blank' spot that I drilled out and mounted the hose fitting from the AEM tank. (If anyone else tries that, be sure to round up a rubber O-ring to help seal that fitting. I had issues with leakage at first.) So I can still use the windshield washers just as before as well as have a stealthy water/meth tank.
Plain ol' windshield washer fluid that is good to -20, blue in color and contains no additional additives is actually about 30% methanol and 70% water. Adding 2 bottles of the yellow Heet per gallon brings the ratio up to 50/50. Comes out to ~$3.50 per gallon. I haven't priced what the pre-mix stuff is online, but just for having the convenience of being able to run down to the gas station and mix up some when I run low is priceless.
FYI, my water/meth usage is less than 1 gallon per tank of fuel. If you drive like an animal that's obviously going to go up since the water/meth is boost activated.
dan, I'm actually using the windshield washer fluid tank as the water/meth reservoir. If you take a closer look at that pic of the pump, you can see a round, black plug just behind the lower horn unit. That's my low-level sensor that I pulled out from the included AEM tank. At the very bottom of the factory tank, there is one spot for the factory washer pump and just to the right of it there is another round 'blank' spot that I drilled out and mounted the hose fitting from the AEM tank. (If anyone else tries that, be sure to round up a rubber O-ring to help seal that fitting. I had issues with leakage at first.) So I can still use the windshield washers just as before as well as have a stealthy water/meth tank.
Plain ol' windshield washer fluid that is good to -20, blue in color and contains no additional additives is actually about 30% methanol and 70% water. Adding 2 bottles of the yellow Heet per gallon brings the ratio up to 50/50. Comes out to ~$3.50 per gallon. I haven't priced what the pre-mix stuff is online, but just for having the convenience of being able to run down to the gas station and mix up some when I run low is priceless.
FYI, my water/meth usage is less than 1 gallon per tank of fuel. If you drive like an animal that's obviously going to go up since the water/meth is boost activated.
10-27-2009, 01:01 PM
#34
10-27-2009, 01:08 PM
#35
i like your setup. it's very CLEAN. I have all the same mods you do plus some but your setup is a lot cleaner. I was going to actually put my FIC over the glove box cuz its still sitting under my seat lol. With the HBP i was actually seeing boost up to 6psi with a similar exhaust setup as you..but then again i was running high flow cats and not the pre-cat deletes.
For anyone that has a S/C the FIRST thing you shld do is definitely tune it. Get rid of the ACM and go FIC. A lot of people have been saying this but no one seems to believe it!
For anyone that has a S/C the FIRST thing you shld do is definitely tune it. Get rid of the ACM and go FIC. A lot of people have been saying this but no one seems to believe it!
10-27-2009, 01:14 PM
#36
Thanks, ussi. It's guys like you that inspired such a creation in the first place. 
As far as tuning costs go... $250 = ~1.75 hours on the dyno
And yeah, I couldn't agree more with everything that ussi said. The F/IC with proper tuning is a MUST as well as the water/meth kit. For ~$400 the water/meth is a no-brainer for added stability. Cruising down the highway, I'll usually see intake temps of ~115 and while sitting it'll often rise to ~135. But, getting on it will kick that back down to a sane 60-80-ish depending on current ambient conditions.
As far as tuning costs go... $250 = ~1.75 hours on the dyno
And yeah, I couldn't agree more with everything that ussi said. The F/IC with proper tuning is a MUST as well as the water/meth kit. For ~$400 the water/meth is a no-brainer for added stability. Cruising down the highway, I'll usually see intake temps of ~115 and while sitting it'll often rise to ~135. But, getting on it will kick that back down to a sane 60-80-ish depending on current ambient conditions.
10-29-2009, 08:07 PM
#38
practicing nihilist
i imagine a couple S/C will be on the black market following full scale delivery of the Turbo. it's threads like this that make me second guess selling her...
looks really clean, bmeyer. nice job.
looks really clean, bmeyer. nice job.
11-03-2009, 10:26 AM
#39
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
nice setup..
