Which year MDX to avoid buying?
Which year MDX to avoid buying?
I"m looking to spend about $7k or less on a used MDX. I'm looking at 2003 to 2007 models. I've read that some 2008 to 2014 MDXs have oil use issues. A friend as a 2012 TL that uses a quart of oil every fillup, and I want to avoid that headache! I'm also aware of the mid 2000s auto trans issues in the sedans, but not sure if the MDX is affected. I've got a 2006 TL that I've had for 100k miles and I love the car, but now I need a 4wd SUV. What kind of freeway gas mileage can I expect? 17-20?
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
I"m looking to spend about $7k or less on a used MDX. I'm looking at 2003 to 2007 models. I've read that some 2008 to 2014 MDXs have oil use issues. A friend as a 2012 TL that uses a quart of oil every fillup, and I want to avoid that headache! I'm also aware of the mid 2000s auto trans issues in the sedans, but not sure if the MDX is affected. I've got a 2006 TL that I've had for 100k miles and I love the car, but now I need a 4wd SUV. What kind of freeway gas mileage can I expect? 17-20?
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
Many 2010 thru 2013 mdxes burn oil, because their cylinder walls are coated with nikasil. The nikasil wears out the rings on the pistons. Oil gets past the "out of spec" oil control rings and goes somewhere other than where it should.
03-06 MDX is 1st gen MDX; 07-13 MDX is 2nd gen. 2nd Gen is AWD and can tow quite a bit. Any 2007-2009 MDX will not burn oil if it's been taken care of. Any 2010-2013 even if it was taken care of can and may burn 1quart of oil every 1000 miles. Honda/Acura has to replace piston rings since they can clog.
FYI MDX/acura did not use NIKASIL, it's been using a variant of AluSil:
Originally Posted by Acura Press Release, 2010
If you get and MDX, I'd highly suggest the 2nd gen or if you don't need to tow a later model 1st gen MDX with the facelift.
FYI MDX/acura did not use NIKASIL, it's been using a variant of AluSil:
Originally Posted by Acura Press Release, 2010
ENGINE BLOCK
Both the 3.5-liter TL engine block and that of the 3.7-liter TL SH-AWD® are constructed of lightweight die-cast aluminum. The 3.5-liter engine has thin-wall iron liners that are made in a centrifugal spin-casting process that ensures high strength and low porosity. The rough outer surface of these liners makes an effective bond with the aluminum block, enhancing block stiffness and heat transfer from the liners to the block.
The 3.7-liter TL SH-AWD® cylinder liners are made of high-silicon aluminum and are cast directly into the aluminum block. The hard piston ring sealing surface of the liners is created during manufacturing with a mechanical etching process that exposes silicon particles embedded in the sleeves. The aluminum sleeves provide better cooling thus allowing closer piston-to-cylinder clearance than iron liners afford. The alloy liners also improve heat dissipation in the area between adjacent cylinder bores, allowing the SH-AWD® engine to have larger cylinder bores, even though its bore-center dimensions (the distance between the centers of adjacent bores) is the same as the 3.5L V-6.
Both the 3.5-liter and the 3.7-liter cylinder blocks are heat-treated for strength and have deep-skirt designs with four bolts per bearing cap (providing excellent structural support for the crankshaft), thus minimizing engine noise and vibration.
Both the 3.5-liter TL engine block and that of the 3.7-liter TL SH-AWD® are constructed of lightweight die-cast aluminum. The 3.5-liter engine has thin-wall iron liners that are made in a centrifugal spin-casting process that ensures high strength and low porosity. The rough outer surface of these liners makes an effective bond with the aluminum block, enhancing block stiffness and heat transfer from the liners to the block.
The 3.7-liter TL SH-AWD® cylinder liners are made of high-silicon aluminum and are cast directly into the aluminum block. The hard piston ring sealing surface of the liners is created during manufacturing with a mechanical etching process that exposes silicon particles embedded in the sleeves. The aluminum sleeves provide better cooling thus allowing closer piston-to-cylinder clearance than iron liners afford. The alloy liners also improve heat dissipation in the area between adjacent cylinder bores, allowing the SH-AWD® engine to have larger cylinder bores, even though its bore-center dimensions (the distance between the centers of adjacent bores) is the same as the 3.5L V-6.
Both the 3.5-liter and the 3.7-liter cylinder blocks are heat-treated for strength and have deep-skirt designs with four bolts per bearing cap (providing excellent structural support for the crankshaft), thus minimizing engine noise and vibration.
Totally not true. Please do not spread false accusations. Problem in 10-13 models is piston designs and oil rings. It got nothing to do with aluminum sleeves/ block.
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Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
I'm not going to hunt down the Nikasil details and post any links, because it doesn't matter if it is Nikasil or something else.
Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
nobody denies there is an issue with oil consumption. But the cause you stated is not correct.
You don't have to search or hunt any pictures about nikasil.... did you know that 07-09 and 10-13 mdx have same block, but different pistons? This was main change after 2010 refresh, lighter pistons with much smaller oil control rings. Oil rings getting clogged with hard sludge and oil consumption happens.
If this is not fixed on time it can/will damage engine block.
Claims were made in the past that nikasil/alusil is the cause of oil consumption. But this not true in this case.
If compression rings gets stuck from carbon buildup....then yes, aluminum sleeves will get pitted and scratched. Pitting occurring much easier on aluminum cylinders compared to iron sleeves.
I hope you learned something new today 😉
Thanks for the info. I'll limit my search to a 07 to 09 mdx. I can't find any 2014 mdx in my price range. Any known problems with 07 to 09 transmissions? Should I consider changing 3d and 4th gear solenoids and doing regular 3x3 trans fluid changes like I do with my TL?
We've had our 2013 since new. Seven years later and it does not have an oil burning issue. It uses about 1/2 quart between oil changes or about every 6-7k miles. Maybe we have been lucky or maybe it will start using oil down the road, but for now all is good.
These engines cant do extended oil intervals. Please, take my advise. Do not go over 3k miles on your oil (good, full synthetic oil). Oil is cheap....
In two months will perform carbon removal procedure and will try to flush my oil rings (really hopping this will solve my problem)... Probably will create new thread for that.
Only 2010-2013 models have oil consumption issues (not all of them, but definitely should be avoided).
My 2008 MDX gets about 23-25 MPG on a highway. I drive about 80% in the city with heavy traffic and frequent stops (I always fully stop on every stop sign and on red before turning right) and 20% on highways. My combined (B) MPG is 17 MPG.
Half quart is a start of your problems. I had my MDX since new too and it started to burn around 70k-80k miles.
These engines cant do extended oil intervals. Please, take my advise. Do not go over 3k miles on your oil (good, full synthetic oil). Oil is cheap....
In two months will perform carbon removal procedure and will try to flush my oil rings (really hopping this will solve my problem)... Probably will create new thread for that.
These engines cant do extended oil intervals. Please, take my advise. Do not go over 3k miles on your oil (good, full synthetic oil). Oil is cheap....
In two months will perform carbon removal procedure and will try to flush my oil rings (really hopping this will solve my problem)... Probably will create new thread for that.
I purchased my 11 MDX Adv+Ent in 2014 with 30,000 miles on the odo. I now have +140,000 miles and always used about 1 qt of oil between the 8000-9000 M.I.D. oil changes (use Mobil 1 5w-20). Another issue to watch out for are the magnetic suspension (Active Damper Systems or ADS) for the 07-09 Sport models or +10 Adv models. Mine failed at 35,000 (fronts) and 108,000 (rears) and was 100% covered by the basic 4/50k or AcuraCare warranties. They can fail at anytime, no aftermarket magnetic struts/shock replacements, and cost $500-$800 per corner to replace depending on DYI, local shop, or dealership repair. There is an 100,000 miles extended warranty offered by Acura to replace; but, I think it is limited by 7 years from original MDX purchase. Most folks just replace with same struts/shocks as the base/tech models when they fail and been 100% happy with the results.
The 07-09 Sport and +10 Adv do have larger front and rear stabilizing bars for better handling. You could find a 07-09 Sport with a broken ADS at a cheaper price, replace with regular struts/shocks, and have a very nice handling SUV.
The 07-09 Sport and +10 Adv do have larger front and rear stabilizing bars for better handling. You could find a 07-09 Sport with a broken ADS at a cheaper price, replace with regular struts/shocks, and have a very nice handling SUV.
Last edited by mrgold35; Jan 9, 2020 at 09:39 AM.
Engine oil main function is lubrication, also cooling, sealing etc . 2nd most important thing is CLEANING.
Clean engine is a happy engine. While oil dont lose to much lubrication abilities during its normal service, its cleaning properties drop significantly.
These "German style" oil rings, with small holes can and will clog.
It is to bad that Acura changed design from good old style heavy duty oil rings to new low friction one's...
Clean engine is a happy engine. While oil dont lose to much lubrication abilities during its normal service, its cleaning properties drop significantly.
These "German style" oil rings, with small holes can and will clog.
It is to bad that Acura changed design from good old style heavy duty oil rings to new low friction one's...
Engine oil main function is lubrication, also cooling, sealing etc . 2nd most important thing is CLEANING.
Clean engine is a happy engine. While oil dont lose to much lubrication abilities during its normal service, its cleaning properties drop significantly.
These "German style" oil rings, with small holes can and will clog.
It is to bad that Acura changed design from good old style heavy duty oil rings to new low friction one's...
Clean engine is a happy engine. While oil dont lose to much lubrication abilities during its normal service, its cleaning properties drop significantly.
These "German style" oil rings, with small holes can and will clog.
It is to bad that Acura changed design from good old style heavy duty oil rings to new low friction one's...
Carbon buildup needs to be addressed. High compression engines are very sensitive to carbon.
Carbon buildup happens on pistons and valves. Increased and unequal compression in cylinders (drivability and linear power delivery goes out the window) because cylinders are not working in sync. Carbon buildup will cause preignition (detonation), could cause hot spots too. Compression rings will get stuck, stuck rings can scratch cylinder walls.
Carbon buildup needs to be addressed. High compression engines are very sensitive to carbon.
Carbon buildup needs to be addressed. High compression engines are very sensitive to carbon.
this will lead to posted problems in my previous post.
3k oil will not fix oil consumption, but it will consume little less.
If 3k intervals were choosen since the car was new.... Probably there would be no consumption issues, but is this only my guess.
Like I said before, will be doing carbon removal procedure in a month or so. Will post few pics...
My gear is ready:
I"m looking to spend about $7k or less on a used MDX. I'm looking at 2003 to 2007 models. I've read that some 2008 to 2014 MDXs have oil use issues. A friend as a 2012 TL that uses a quart of oil every fillup, and I want to avoid that headache! I'm also aware of the mid 2000s auto trans issues in the sedans, but not sure if the MDX is affected. I've got a 2006 TL that I've had for 100k miles and I love the car, but now I need a 4wd SUV. What kind of freeway gas mileage can I expect? 17-20?
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
03-06 MDX is 1st gen MDX; 07-13 MDX is 2nd gen. 2nd Gen is AWD and can tow quite a bit. Any 2007-2009 MDX will not burn oil if it's been taken care of. Any 2010-2013 even if it was taken care of can and may burn 1quart of oil every 1000 miles. Honda/Acura has to replace piston rings since they can clog.
FYI MDX/acura did not use NIKASIL, it's been using a variant of AluSil:
Originally Posted by Acura Press Release, 2010
If you get and MDX, I'd highly suggest the 2nd gen or if you don't need to tow a later model 1st gen MDX with the facelift.
FYI MDX/acura did not use NIKASIL, it's been using a variant of AluSil:
Originally Posted by Acura Press Release, 2010
If you get and MDX, I'd highly suggest the 2nd gen or if you don't need to tow a later model 1st gen MDX with the facelift.
Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
I"m looking to spend about $7k or less on a used MDX. I'm looking at 2003 to 2007 models. I've read that some 2008 to 2014 MDXs have oil use issues. A friend as a 2012 TL that uses a quart of oil every fillup, and I want to avoid that headache! I'm also aware of the mid 2000s auto trans issues in the sedans, but not sure if the MDX is affected. I've got a 2006 TL that I've had for 100k miles and I love the car, but now I need a 4wd SUV. What kind of freeway gas mileage can I expect? 17-20?
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
Any input on what years or problems to avoid would be appreciated!
I'm not going to hunt down the Nikasil details and post any links, because it doesn't matter if it is Nikasil or something else.
Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
Acura has acknowledged an oil consumption issue, for the 2010 - 2013 MDX.
By the way, how does the piston design and oil ring problem get fixed, if you don't meet Acura's spec, for oil consumption?
Is Acura still using the Nikasil coating?
On which models and model years did they use it?
When did they stop using it?
Will Acura cover any residual catalytic converter failures, due to oil consumption, or will they come out of your pocket?
That makes the 2010 - 2013 the most risky MDX purchase on the market.
It wasn't a permanent fix. It just delayed the problem until after any possible warranty or lawsuits. But it would happen again in the same way because it wasn't a fix, it was a band-aid.
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