BMW: 1-Series News
02-24-2004, 11:31 PM
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The article here talks about the 1 Series coming out in multiple versions at once. A 3 door verions, a 5 door version and a turing version will be available at launch (instead of introduced in phases) and the cabrio version will follow soon.
Engines for the 1 series will probably be the same ones used in the 3 series starting with the 1.6 liter in the MINI making 115 HP, the 2.0 liter Valvetronic making 143 HP and even the V6 2.2 liter making 170HP.
The article also talks about the M1 which is expected to get an inline six engine making around 250HP in order to compete with the Audi S3 and Golf R32.
02-25-2004, 11:48 AM
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The 1.6 lt engine comes from 316 ti (compact) and 316i. It's a different engine than the Mini's engine. Mini's engine is a cheap Cryshler unit sourced from Brazil. This is a real BMW unit.
I personally think that the car looks awesome (wait to see the price though). If you can imagine, there is a strong demand in Europe for premium hantchbacks and that's the role of the 1 series. The car may look like a Mazda 3, but pics dont tell the whole story. THe fact that it is a RWD platform will make the car drive totally different. I'll be waiting for the coupe to come out and expect to get 250 HP in order to be competitive as a sports car.
I personally think that the car looks awesome (wait to see the price though). If you can imagine, there is a strong demand in Europe for premium hantchbacks and that's the role of the 1 series. The car may look like a Mazda 3, but pics dont tell the whole story. THe fact that it is a RWD platform will make the car drive totally different. I'll be waiting for the coupe to come out and expect to get 250 HP in order to be competitive as a sports car.
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If it was priced like a mazda 3 with comparable features then yes I would get excited about the car. I doubt a 1series will be doing anything to a mazdaspeed3 on the track.
02-28-2004, 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by agisd
The 1.6 lt engine comes from 316 ti (compact) and 316i. It's a different engine than the Mini's engine. Mini's engine is a cheap Cryshler unit sourced from Brazil. This is a real BMW unit.
The 1.6 lt engine comes from 316 ti (compact) and 316i. It's a different engine than the Mini's engine. Mini's engine is a cheap Cryshler unit sourced from Brazil. This is a real BMW unit.
02-28-2004, 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by agisd
I personally think that the car looks awesome (wait to see the price though). If you can imagine, there is a strong demand in Europe for premium hantchbacks and that's the role of the 1 series. The car may look like a Mazda 3, but pics dont tell the whole story. THe fact that it is a RWD platform will make the car drive totally different. I'll be waiting for the coupe to come out and expect to get 250 HP in order to be competitive as a sports car.
I personally think that the car looks awesome (wait to see the price though). If you can imagine, there is a strong demand in Europe for premium hantchbacks and that's the role of the 1 series. The car may look like a Mazda 3, but pics dont tell the whole story. THe fact that it is a RWD platform will make the car drive totally different. I'll be waiting for the coupe to come out and expect to get 250 HP in order to be competitive as a sports car.
I agree with your point about RWD. There will be no other hatchback in its class with RWD, so there is your competitive advantage.
02-28-2004, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by heyitsme
If it was priced like a mazda 3 with comparable features then yes I would get excited about the car. I doubt a 1series will be doing anything to a mazdaspeed3 on the track.
If it was priced like a mazda 3 with comparable features then yes I would get excited about the car. I doubt a 1series will be doing anything to a mazdaspeed3 on the track.
02-28-2004, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
The M1 will be hot!
The M1 will be hot!
02-28-2004, 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by goldmember
$40k well equipped is super expensive?
$40k well equipped is super expensive?
03-23-2004, 09:36 AM
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BMW 1 Series: CS1 styling in an economy package; U.S. plans still murky - - - By GREG KABLE - - Source: Autoweek
YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE car BMW hopes will place it on the premium small-car road map alongside some of Europe’s biggest sellers: the all-new 1 Series.
Conceived to not infringe on BMW-owned Mini, the baby BMW five-door hatchback goes on sale across Europe shortly after its public debut at the Paris motor show in September. BMW is also planning three-door hatchback and five-door wagon versions.
None of those models are U.S. bound. The earliest we’ll see a 1 Series variant is 2006, and that car will be a coupe likely wearing the 2 Series badge in keeping with BMW’s even-number naming strategy for two-door models (Z4, 6 Series). The car’s entrance into the U.S. market awaits development of coupe and convertible models, because BMW doubts whether a hatchback will sell in the States. BMW is also concerned that a strong euro against the dollar could drive the price of the 1 Series (see page 8) out of its intended price segment.
Pitched as BMW’s cheapest model, one rung below the 3 Series, the 1 Series will compete with the Volkswagen Golf and the coming Audi A3 (AW, March 22). The new car’s biggest draw may well be its rear-wheel-drive layout, which BMW’s research and development guru Burkhard Goeschel claims provides the 1 Series with the sportiest handling traits and greatest agility in a class loaded with front-drive cars.
Designed by American Chris Chapman, the 1 Series adheres closely to the CS1 concept car shown at the 2002 Geneva motor show with striking convex and concave surfaces.
The 1 Series shares up to 40 percent of its components with next year’s all-new 3 Series. While the European market gets a mix of gasoline and diesel four-cylinder engines, BMW’s all-new 180-hp, 2.2-liter inline six—that will first appear on the next-generation 3 Series due by this time next year—is the likely candidate for the U.S. model, AutoWeek has learned. The engine will be mated to a six-speed automat-ic or manual gearbox, but a sequential manual gearbox may also be an option with the six-cylinder engine in the States.
YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE car BMW hopes will place it on the premium small-car road map alongside some of Europe’s biggest sellers: the all-new 1 Series.
Conceived to not infringe on BMW-owned Mini, the baby BMW five-door hatchback goes on sale across Europe shortly after its public debut at the Paris motor show in September. BMW is also planning three-door hatchback and five-door wagon versions.
None of those models are U.S. bound. The earliest we’ll see a 1 Series variant is 2006, and that car will be a coupe likely wearing the 2 Series badge in keeping with BMW’s even-number naming strategy for two-door models (Z4, 6 Series). The car’s entrance into the U.S. market awaits development of coupe and convertible models, because BMW doubts whether a hatchback will sell in the States. BMW is also concerned that a strong euro against the dollar could drive the price of the 1 Series (see page 8) out of its intended price segment.
Pitched as BMW’s cheapest model, one rung below the 3 Series, the 1 Series will compete with the Volkswagen Golf and the coming Audi A3 (AW, March 22). The new car’s biggest draw may well be its rear-wheel-drive layout, which BMW’s research and development guru Burkhard Goeschel claims provides the 1 Series with the sportiest handling traits and greatest agility in a class loaded with front-drive cars.
Designed by American Chris Chapman, the 1 Series adheres closely to the CS1 concept car shown at the 2002 Geneva motor show with striking convex and concave surfaces.
The 1 Series shares up to 40 percent of its components with next year’s all-new 3 Series. While the European market gets a mix of gasoline and diesel four-cylinder engines, BMW’s all-new 180-hp, 2.2-liter inline six—that will first appear on the next-generation 3 Series due by this time next year—is the likely candidate for the U.S. model, AutoWeek has learned. The engine will be mated to a six-speed automat-ic or manual gearbox, but a sequential manual gearbox may also be an option with the six-cylinder engine in the States.
03-23-2004, 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by gavriil
BMW’s all-new 180-hp, 2.2-liter inline six—that will first appear on the next-generation 3 Series due by this time next year—is the likely candidate for the U.S. model, AutoWeek has learned.
BMW’s all-new 180-hp, 2.2-liter inline six—that will first appear on the next-generation 3 Series due by this time next year—is the likely candidate for the U.S. model, AutoWeek has learned.
03-23-2004, 10:44 AM
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Interior looks very solid but that is one ugly car. I cannot believe BMW made this.
I have heard it may not come to the USA after all. It will be EURO only as they don't want to cheapen the brand here.
I have heard it may not come to the USA after all. It will be EURO only as they don't want to cheapen the brand here.
03-23-2004, 05:10 PM
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Ugly, slow, and sure to be overpriced...another stupid car by bmw...i hate that company.
Ugly, slow, and sure to be overpriced...another stupid car by bmw...i hate that company.
I agree with the third point (overpriced), but I dont think it's ugly (for hatchback standards) and it sure aint gonna be slow at its M form. Even this 2.2 liter version with a manual will allow it to be in the low 7 second mark for the 60 run. The M will be in the low 6s to high 5s.
03-23-2004, 05:15 PM
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I don't like it at all. The interior is pretty nice, but it cheapens the brand and overall I just don't like recent BMW exterior designs. They went from having some of the best designs in the industry to some of the worst lately IMO.
03-23-2004, 05:23 PM
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BMW Shows Off 1-Series - - - By Ian Norris - - Source: The Car Connection
Whether it will come to the U.S. may still be a subject for discussion (See yesterday's Daily Edition), but BMW's small 1-Series will certainly hit European markets in the fall and the company is teasing the market with a series of pictures issued today.
The 1-Series is BMW's first step into what it calls the "the compact executive segment" and it breaks the mold set by European and Japanese competitors by being rear-wheel drive. Front-wheel drive is almost universal in this size class, and BMW will be hoping that the more classic format will appeal to drivers who prefer traditional handling characteristics.
Power comes from a selection of gasoline and diesel engines, starting with a 115-hp 1.6-liter four-cylinder that develops 110 lb-ft of torque. The more powerful gasoline option is a 2.0-liter four developing 150 hp and 148 lb-ft of torque. This version accelerates from zero to 62 mph in 8.7 seconds and has a maximum speed of 125 mph.
Most powerful is the four-cylinder diesel-powered 120d, which has 163 hp on tap, performance figures of 0-62 mph in 7.9 seconds, and a top speed of 137 mph. With 250 lb-ft of torque, this diesel will provide very useful acceleration. These figures come with gas mileage of 41.3 mpg, a major consideration in Europe, where fuel prices bear a heavy tax burden.
The more powerful engines will come with a six-speed manual, while the smaller petrol engine will be delivered with a five-speed. The 2.0-liter petrol and diesel versions will be offered with a six-speed auto.
Trim will live up to the executive tag, with a version of the iDrive system offered on the 7- and 5-Series cars. The car will be fitted with a full complement of electronic driver aids, with Dynamic Stability Control, Dynamic Traction Control, Dynamic Brake Control, and Electronic Differential Lock as standard.
Construction is aimed at lightness, with an aluminum front axle and BMW's five-link rear suspension setup. The rear-wheel drive gives the 1-Series 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, which is likely to maintain the company's reputation for good road behavior.
Styling follows current BMW trends, but the car's smaller size - just 166.5 inches in overall length - means that it avoids some of the heaviness that the house style gives to the 5- and 7-Series. The 1er also benefits from the fact that it is very much a five-door hatchback, and thus has no trunk to receive the 'Bangle Butt' treatment. Whatever the aesthetic considerations of the styling, it is very clean aerodynamically, with a drag coefficient of just 0.29.
Whether it will come to the U.S. may still be a subject for discussion (See yesterday's Daily Edition), but BMW's small 1-Series will certainly hit European markets in the fall and the company is teasing the market with a series of pictures issued today.
The 1-Series is BMW's first step into what it calls the "the compact executive segment" and it breaks the mold set by European and Japanese competitors by being rear-wheel drive. Front-wheel drive is almost universal in this size class, and BMW will be hoping that the more classic format will appeal to drivers who prefer traditional handling characteristics.
Power comes from a selection of gasoline and diesel engines, starting with a 115-hp 1.6-liter four-cylinder that develops 110 lb-ft of torque. The more powerful gasoline option is a 2.0-liter four developing 150 hp and 148 lb-ft of torque. This version accelerates from zero to 62 mph in 8.7 seconds and has a maximum speed of 125 mph.
Most powerful is the four-cylinder diesel-powered 120d, which has 163 hp on tap, performance figures of 0-62 mph in 7.9 seconds, and a top speed of 137 mph. With 250 lb-ft of torque, this diesel will provide very useful acceleration. These figures come with gas mileage of 41.3 mpg, a major consideration in Europe, where fuel prices bear a heavy tax burden.
The more powerful engines will come with a six-speed manual, while the smaller petrol engine will be delivered with a five-speed. The 2.0-liter petrol and diesel versions will be offered with a six-speed auto.
Trim will live up to the executive tag, with a version of the iDrive system offered on the 7- and 5-Series cars. The car will be fitted with a full complement of electronic driver aids, with Dynamic Stability Control, Dynamic Traction Control, Dynamic Brake Control, and Electronic Differential Lock as standard.
Construction is aimed at lightness, with an aluminum front axle and BMW's five-link rear suspension setup. The rear-wheel drive gives the 1-Series 50/50 front/rear weight distribution, which is likely to maintain the company's reputation for good road behavior.
Styling follows current BMW trends, but the car's smaller size - just 166.5 inches in overall length - means that it avoids some of the heaviness that the house style gives to the 5- and 7-Series. The 1er also benefits from the fact that it is very much a five-door hatchback, and thus has no trunk to receive the 'Bangle Butt' treatment. Whatever the aesthetic considerations of the styling, it is very clean aerodynamically, with a drag coefficient of just 0.29.
03-23-2004, 08:09 PM
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not bad for the non-us market, if they do it for the us market it would be a bad decision
also, im sure they would put a bigger engine for the US, realize that the europians have crazy gas prices
could use to look a little more hot rod-y by extending the hood a bit more
also, im sure they would put a bigger engine for the US, realize that the europians have crazy gas prices
could use to look a little more hot rod-y by extending the hood a bit more
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Originally posted by gavriil
LOL!
I agree with the third point (overpriced), but I dont think it's ugly (for hatchback standards) and it sure aint gonna be slow at its M form. Even this 2.2 liter version with a manual will allow it to be in the low 7 second mark for the 60 run. The M will be in the low 6s to high 5s.
LOL!
I agree with the third point (overpriced), but I dont think it's ugly (for hatchback standards) and it sure aint gonna be slow at its M form. Even this 2.2 liter version with a manual will allow it to be in the low 7 second mark for the 60 run. The M will be in the low 6s to high 5s.
03-24-2004, 01:21 AM
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i dont know about the interior...i think you guys think its nice because of the navi
i think it is highly comparable to the Mazda3...both in looks and in interior looks
i think it is highly comparable to the Mazda3...both in looks and in interior looks
03-25-2004, 10:46 AM
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i dont know about the interior...i think you guys think its nice because of the navi
i think it is highly comparable to the Mazda3...both in looks and in interior looks
i dont know about the interior...i think you guys think its nice because of the navi
i think it is highly comparable to the Mazda3...both in looks and in interior looks
03-25-2004, 05:39 PM
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the Mazda3 would not be quicker than the 180HP diesel engine. And at 41mpg that engine looks very intriguing to say the least. As they are promoting the rear wheel drive is what will set this car aside and the extra 6 to 8K that you would spend would get you BMW service, BMW quality, rear wheel drive, and a ride that will definitely be sportier than the 3. I kinda like it but only if the largest diesel variant fully loaded would fall under $31K. I am sure some 7 series owners wouldn't mind having one as a daily driver 
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the Mazda3 would not be quicker than the 180HP diesel engine. And at 41mpg that engine looks very intriguing to say the least. As they are promoting the rear wheel drive is what will set this car aside and the extra 6 to 8K that you would spend would get you BMW service, BMW quality, rear wheel drive, and a ride that will definitely be sportier than the 3. I kinda like it but only if the largest diesel variant fully loaded would fall under $31K. I am sure some 7 series owners wouldn't mind having one as a daily driver
