CU2MIKE

It was with a PC7424XP on speed 6 actually.
over the period of 3 weeks and between 9 - 15 cars later. Recent temp. in so cal definitely didn't help with the situation.

exceldetail

Ive never burned BP before, and like most, I opt for the 5.5's for general polishing, 4" for more scrutinizing scratches and isolated tough swirls or abrasions.

switchfootvz

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Man this thread is out of hands.... if this stuff continues mods will close this thread....

bahave.... and you should be thanking those people giving suggestion... they know more stuff then you...

chayos00

Now obviously you didn't read everything, try looking at post #31 before you say anything.

turbo_911

First of all, don't buy orbital polisher, it won't do a thing....

Now back to topic, I use EVERYTHING from Meguiar's and love their stuff. Their new G110v2 that came out this year is awesome and more powerful than 7424XP from Porter Cable.

Also I like that meguiars have 6.5 and 7 inch pads, that's if you work on doors, trunk, roof, and hood you will cover that area faster then working with smaller pad.

Then Meguiars has 4 inch pads, that's for tight spots. Some of the products to throw out there are M105 is most aggressive, and finishes off nicely with M205. You can also use M95 or Ultimate Compound to remove moderate scratches and swirls.

By looking at your paint, you have what's called "spider web" which is easily removed and you can use D151 reconditioning cream (its pink color) very nice product as it contains wax at the same time and no need to wax after it. Its all in one product.

Meguiars NXT wax is really nice too, and then you can use M20 or M21 sealant that protects the wax from washing off and lasts very long.

I also recommend this forum if you have a lot more questions, and you can search and there are a lot of answers and helpful topics.

http://www.meguiarsonline.com/forums/index.php

exceldetail

Please elaborate, you OWN a random orbital polisher?
On another note, Megs online cant help him anymore then we can. Plus its pretty much a Meg's only discussion arena.....

turbo_911

Yes, it is used to apply/remove wax. DA polisher is lot stronger than orbital polisher.

Megs online can help a lot and do you have anything against it? If the OP likes megs products, he will go there and read more info about them, rather then trusting some other products that he never used or heard.

Jesstzn

I think what he is trying to say ia megs heavily promotes only thier products .. and yes I do and have used a lot of them but there is also other good products out there. The Optimum line is very good for the beginner and it also doesn't dry as fast and turn to concrete and has no dusting. The Megs 105/205 have very short working time .. tend to splatter and dust a lot. The only time I use the M105 is if I have a bad area I have to spot correct .. outside of that I don't use it because of the above mentioned issues. You can also use the Optimum line in the sun where the Megs line turns to concrete in 5 seconds.

One above statement you made really has me confused Quote "Meguiars NXT wax is really nice too, and then you can use M20 or M21 sealant that protects the wax from washing off " unquote M21 is bsically the same family as the NXT but with less cleaners and longer life ..... you don't use M21 over NXT to keep it from washing off. You would use NXT or M21 ... also M21 is very layerable where the NXT line has more cleaners in it and doesn't layer as well.

switchfootvz

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all these people are just giving their different opinions.... which is cool

exceldetail

7" pads are WAY too big for a D.A. 6.5" are even pushing it.

Jesstzn

I have 2 6/12" Meguiars pads which I got for free and the only time I ever use them is if every other pad is dirty ... which with the amount I have now .. is never.

chayos00

Thanks for this additional knowledge Jesstzn, good to know "the Optimum line is very good for the beginner and it also doesn't dry as fast and turn to concrete and has no dusting."

CU2MIKE

I use 6.5 inch pads with my Griot's 6 inch ROP (with a 5 inch LC BP attached to it), correction is pretty good for me.

chayos00

Jesstzn - Do you have any pictures with using the Optimum products, I haven't found any before and after pics.

Thanks!

Jesstzn

Jesstzn

^^^^^ was done with 1 pass with Optimum Compound on an orange pad and 1 pass with Opt Polish on a white pad.

CU2MIKE

Optimum Hyper Polish Spray

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mOUC...layer_embedded

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG-T6...layer_embedded

Jesstzn

^^^^ funny seeing Mike Phillips promoting Optimum products .. when I first talked with him he was working for Meguiars and was the one that sent me the first NXT in Canada and the 6.5 " pads I refered to above.

vinnier6

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the meguiars machine is pretty much the same machine as a pc/udm...its still a dual action randome orbital machine...orbital being the word you dont like....

in my mind, anything bigger then a 5.5" pad is too large, smaller pads correct quicker then larger pads...

nxt is a sealant, not a WAX...it also has cleaners in it as well...

chayos00

Thanks for the pictures, I appreciate it. I also have to ask is that a Toyota 4Runner?

Jesstzn

Nope .. a Ford

But here is a 4Runner





Same proceedure but heavier on the orange.

CU2MIKE

^ you get some seriously messed up cars.
And they are in black, even worse lol.

Jesstzn

The Ford was a detailer at a dealership with a rotary , the 4Runner was a guy who took someones advice that "a compound will take that out " And he used TW Rubbing Compound.

Thats why I get down op people who say "Get a rotary" and "Some compound will fix that" without being very specific.

CU2MIKE

+1, I'm harsh on people who says "get a rotary" or "try this rubbing compound" without further explanation.

exceldetail

Dale, you are a godsend..............honest.

chayos00

Also what about this product, Optimum Finish Polish? Yes or no?
Optimum Poli-Seal, yes or no?

Duragloss Polish Bonding Agent (PBA) #601 According to autogeek.com it says to use this before the 105 TPP to make it last longer, would you say to use?


Sorry about all the questions, I just like all details before purchasing something. It's kind of that feel good about what I'm picking.

Jesstzn

See bold

Re other questions .. Unless your car is badly oxidized etc the pads I suggested are more than I normally use on any given detail.

I use the Hyper on a PC all the time and have for 2 years.

#105 is a sealant and one of the better ones ...

Disbe

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I think the OPT Poli-Seal is one of if not the best AIO (All In One) out there.

Jess, the Ford you did, any idea if the paint is similar to the black paint on my 06 Expedition? If so, mind sending me a PM with any info/advice you can give me on what works best with it or any pointers. I havent tackled the expy yet because its so damn big!

vinnier6

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i have optimum poliseal, and just this summer got xmt 360 on a recommendation and must say, i think it is actually better then poliseal...both need to be topped with a good sealant as the protection qualities need the extra help of a sealant...

now my details are as simple as xmt 360 with a white pad, and 4star upp with a black pad...

dannyboy10

Dale knows what he is talking about:

chayos00

So tonight I pulled out the Visa and made a purchase.

PC7424XP W/LC 3.5" & 5" back plates
LC 5.5" CCS pads 3 Orange, 3 white, 2 of each of the following colors gray blue and red pads.
then 1 of each color pad already mentioned of the 4" LC CCS PADS plus a yellow one
6 pack of cobra miracle MF towels, artic white edgeless MF towels
Guzzler tripple kit (the waffle weave mf towels)
Daytona Speed Master 2 brush combo
DP polish pad rejuvenator & foam pad conditioning brush
2 grit guards 1 red other blue
8oz optimum care care pack (compound II, Polish II, finish polish)
DP TPP 105
DP Aquawax

I took advantage of their 20% off and free shipping saved $80 and whatever shipping would of been. GT $448.06

chayos00

This is all from Autogeek.net

vinnier6

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nice

chayos00

Well given a week or two when I find the time, I'm going to first learn on my wife's old Tercel before giving it a shot on her TL.

vinnier6

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the learning curve is pretty small, dont be afraid to get right after it on your tl...there is not a whole lot you can screw up...

chayos00

Well maybe since the Tercel is over at the in-laws house. I will do it on my 4Runner first.

How much of the8oz optimum care care pack (compound II, Polish II, finish polish) do you think it will take for 1 car? Basically do you think it's enough to do both vehicles? Obviously the DP TPP will have enough for more than several applications.

exceldetail

You're not going to use more then a couple oz of each/any product...8oz is plenty for several cars.....

chayos00

Thanks for the info.

The shipping has been confirmed and I will receive my order on October 5th.

Jesstzn

And you will start to become addicted on that date ...

powerflow

I have a Flex XC, also use 5.5" pads. It's a squeeze on the backing plate but it works great.

For a rotary I have a Dynabrade electric.