Why do people use 5w30 oil instead of 5w20?
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Some believe (including me) the increased viscosity gives better coating/film.
As kennedy mentioned the trade-off might be a little (very little?) loss in MPG.
Some have suggested that the car came out with 5W20 as the recommendation so that Acura/Honda could gain the little bit of MPG to help meet CAFE standards. Conspiracy Theory or fact? , but it sounds like something a big corp would do.
As kennedy mentioned the trade-off might be a little (very little?) loss in MPG.
Some have suggested that the car came out with 5W20 as the recommendation so that Acura/Honda could gain the little bit of MPG to help meet CAFE standards. Conspiracy Theory or fact? , but it sounds like something a big corp would do.
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Never never.....
I only use 0W20 from AMSOIL. Also only their filter's. It's just the Best In The Biz. .
You can get the better coating/film you are looking for just by switching to "The Best" = AMSOIL!
You can get the better coating/film you are looking for just by switching to "The Best" = AMSOIL!
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#9
If u like to push your car, you should probably go 5w30. Because of the thicker oil, it can withstand greater heat and better lube at the high RPMs.
The car just dont feel right though?
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Use 5-20 to get the maximum benefit out of quick lubrication at startup and the proper lubrication while driving after warm up. The thicker oil not only causes more resistance, it also will make the engine run hotter because of that resistance which is proof with the decrease in fuel mileage as the engine works harder. Having said that, nobody will ever notice that difference, unless in a controlled laboratory environment.
Both. To make it simple, the first number is the viscosity when cold, last is the viscosity when hot.
Both. To make it simple, the first number is the viscosity when cold, last is the viscosity when hot.
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As others have said 5W-20 is recommended by Honda but most likely only for a little increase in gas mileage. I use 5W-30 when I can't get 5W-20. You also have a better selection of brands in the 5W-30 range as well.
I 'm ok with the 5W-30 in the Summer due to higher temperatures and just did an oil change using 5W-30 a couple of weeks ago. I use the 20 in fall/winter. I don't see any measurable difference in mileage so that's a mute point for me.
I 'm ok with the 5W-30 in the Summer due to higher temperatures and just did an oil change using 5W-30 a couple of weeks ago. I use the 20 in fall/winter. I don't see any measurable difference in mileage so that's a mute point for me.
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Your almost there! If you want to settle for 2nd best. Your OK!
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But AMSOIL is still the top banana! Although Mobil 1 Extended Performance is my 2nd choice. But I would NEVER use 5 W 30. Ask Acura they will tell you. Our car is MADE for 5 W 20. The holes in the engine are just the right size for that viscosity.
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OK, I'm done now.....
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But AMSOIL is still the top banana! Although Mobil 1 Extended Performance is my 2nd choice. But I would NEVER use 5 W 30. Ask Acura they will tell you. Our car is MADE for 5 W 20. The holes in the engine are just the right size for that viscosity.
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OK, I'm done now.....
Last edited by Spiritman; 04-16-2009 at 07:42 AM.
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Your almost there! If you want to settle for 2nd best. Your OK!
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But AMSOIL is still the top banana! Although Mobil 1 Extended Performance is my 2nd choice. But I would NEVER use 5 W 30. Ask Acura they will tell you. Our car is
MADE for 5 W 20. The holes in the engine are just the right size for that viscosity.
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OK, I'm done now.....
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But AMSOIL is still the top banana! Although Mobil 1 Extended Performance is my 2nd choice. But I would NEVER use 5 W 30. Ask Acura they will tell you. Our car is
MADE for 5 W 20. The holes in the engine are just the right size for that viscosity.
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OK, I'm done now.....
From what I can see, Amsoil 0-20 doesn't even carry the API certification.
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Certification Mark on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade ILSAC Oil Specification Current ExpirationDate
XL 10W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Service Symbol on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade Service Category Current Expiration Date
PCO 15W-40 CI-4/SL** August 8, 2009
XL 10W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 10W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
Last edited by Turbonut; 04-16-2009 at 08:35 AM.
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Man of God.....
Just an FYI:
From what I can see, Amsoil 0-20 doesn't even carry the API certification.
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Certification Mark on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade ILSAC Oil Specification Current ExpirationDate
XL 10W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Service Symbol on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade Service Category Current Expiration Date
PCO 15W-40 CI-4/SL** August 8, 2009
XL 10W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 10W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
From what I can see, Amsoil 0-20 doesn't even carry the API certification.
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Certification Mark on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade ILSAC Oil Specification Current ExpirationDate
XL 10W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 GF-4 August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 GF-4 August 8, 2009
The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:
Licensee is authorized to display the API Service Symbol on the following products during the period of November 13, 2008 through August 8, 2009:
Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade Service Category Current Expiration Date
PCO 15W-40 CI-4/SL** August 8, 2009
XL 10W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 10W-40 SM/CF August 8, 2009
XL 5W-20 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
XL 5W-30 SM/CF* August 8, 2009
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
- API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
- ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
- ACEA A1/B1
- Ford WSS-M2C930-A
- Chrysler MS-6395N
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world’s first API-qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972. Trust the extensive experience of AMSOIL “The First in Synthetics” to do the best job protecting your engine.
Is that what your looking for?
Last edited by Spiritman; 04-16-2009 at 08:43 AM.
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From The AMSOIL site quote= Applications
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world’s first API-qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972. Trust the extensive experience of AMSOIL “The First in Synthetics” to do the best job protecting your engine.
Is that what your looking for?
AMSOIL Synthetic 0W-20 Motor Oil is recommended for Honda, Acura, DaimlerChrysler, Toyota, Ford and all other applications where SAE 0W-20 or 5W-20 is required with the following specifications:
- API SM/CF, SL, SJ. . .
- ILSAC GF-4, 3. . .
- ACEA A1/B1
- Ford WSS-M2C930-A
- Chrysler MS-6395N
AMSOIL, the leader in automotive synthetic lubrication, produced the world’s first API-qualified synthetic motor oil in 1972. Trust the extensive experience of AMSOIL “The First in Synthetics” to do the best job protecting your engine.
Is that what your looking for?
It's like if you need a nurse, I can supply one that's not certified but can do the job, you can take my word on that!
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On my Accord, I once switched to 10w30 and I saw a noticable decrease in my gas mileage. Ever since then, i've only use factory recommended oil weight for all my cars.
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Oil numbers:
the first is the viscosity or abilty to flow as measuired at 32 degrees F
W stands for Winter..the oil has additives that ALLOW it to function AS IF it were a 5 when at F freezing temp
The second number say 20 or 30 is the actual viscosity of the oil as measured at 200F thats normal oil operating temp
Even that number is fake as additives make it work as if it were a ..at that temp
FACT: Acura went to 20 on gen3 for the .5-1mpg increase for the purpose of meeting CAFE standards which are an average across the fleet of cars they make
Gen 2 uses -30 and it dooes offer slightly more protection for all the metal parts thrashing together thousands of times per minute
You can run either, not based on engine age. The book allows both 20 and 30,
the 0 or 5 part doesnt even come into play for most of the country this time of year
In really warm summer temps the 30 offers more protection to the engine
the first is the viscosity or abilty to flow as measuired at 32 degrees F
W stands for Winter..the oil has additives that ALLOW it to function AS IF it were a 5 when at F freezing temp
The second number say 20 or 30 is the actual viscosity of the oil as measured at 200F thats normal oil operating temp
Even that number is fake as additives make it work as if it were a ..at that temp
FACT: Acura went to 20 on gen3 for the .5-1mpg increase for the purpose of meeting CAFE standards which are an average across the fleet of cars they make
Gen 2 uses -30 and it dooes offer slightly more protection for all the metal parts thrashing together thousands of times per minute
You can run either, not based on engine age. The book allows both 20 and 30,
the 0 or 5 part doesnt even come into play for most of the country this time of year
In really warm summer temps the 30 offers more protection to the engine
#28
thats really funny
How many of you live where the overnight temps are sub 32F?
Thats the ONLY time the oil ACTS like its a 5
Otherwise its as stated on the higher number
How many of you live where the overnight temps are sub 32F?
Thats the ONLY time the oil ACTS like its a 5
Otherwise its as stated on the higher number
#29
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i took a lubrication class certified by valvoline way back in my auto days. from what i can remember, is that all viscosities lubricate at the same level, and the viscosity ratings are a common misnomer for lubrication and protection. the ratings that are the most important are the API ratings... period. any motor oil with the same api ratings will offer the same amount of lubrication, from 0w20 on up to straight 50 weight. The question is how readily you would want motor oil to flow. the higher the weight the slower it moves/pumps. sure a higher weight will stay in place longer, but what about replinishment? the differences between 20 and 30 weight is mute, and both will work fine. i figured i'd toss in my two cents.
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I live in Minnesota. We can see -35 below zero or worse. I remember a cold winter night when the wind chill factor (I know it not a big deal on metal, just flesh) of > -100 below zero!!! Man thats cold! Try a straight weight oil in that! I was using Amsoil then as well. I was ice fishing that night. I started my car (Saab) every other hour! It was stiff even at that......
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I think when you ask for mobil 1 at the dealer ship they put in 5w-30 in New york, but I'm not too sure, its runs smooth as hell though with some shell v-power you'll have quicker acceleration response and better gas mileage!!!
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God, AMSOIL has fanboys just like Apple and BMW!!!
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FACT: Acura went to 20 on gen3 for the .5-1mpg increase for the purpose of meeting CAFE standards which are an average across the fleet of cars they make
Gen 2 uses -30 and it dooes offer slightly more protection for all the metal parts thrashing together thousands of times per minute
Gen 2 uses -30 and it dooes offer slightly more protection for all the metal parts thrashing together thousands of times per minute
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Not that it matters, but I had a 2G TL before we got our 3G TL... Our 2G TL also recommended 5w-20. I know, becuase at the time it was a pain in the arse to find 5w-20, since I always bought my 5w-30 by the 5 quart jugs, and nobody had 5w-20 in big jugs until after I got the 3G TL. (at least around here anyways)
on the TL i run 20 in the winter and 30 in the summer
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They tell you .. that you dont even have to change it at 35,000 miles. They want you to change the filter at 25,000 miles and then do a oil analysis at 35,000 miles. Most cars running their oil can last well over 40 to 50,000 miles. Me I change it at 25,000 when I change the filter.. peace of mind.