purplehaze9414

anyone every race a type s vs a base? how bad does the base model get beat?

MEKO

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Bad?...sure

justnspace

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two throttle bodies!?

anx1300c

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You need to scoot on over to V6P**********.net once in awhile!

Steven Bell

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Has anyone got a real answer for PurpleHaze?

MEKO

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AckTL05 is the owner of that car I've posted right?

I think he knows
Justin, didn't you talk about it and posted pics even video on some thread on AZ...loong time ago

http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...ies-dbw-2.html
http://s203.photobucket.com/user/csm...Bs016.mp4.html


I think not that crazy bad...

Ok mine is not really stock, I've had a run with a Type-S last week.
Wasn't a run to give exact answer, but once I took him to front, and tried to catch him...
I was getting close to him

but that's a capture from like 4-5 seconds, and then he slowed down or traffic came in blah blah

DaeHanMeenGuk

I would say that it's not that big of a difference. Sure the 3.5L helps but we're not comparing a base 328i to a M3. Just two TLs with slightly different engines, among other small things as well.

purplehaze9414

Lol ill get the answer eventually or someone will race... that car looks crazy

anx1300c

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Type-S 6MT > Base 6MT > Type-S 5AT > Base 5AT.

They're all separated by maybe 2-3 tenths, give or take.

dannyz

I've never raced them (seems kinda pointless) but:

Base TL = 258hp, 0-60 = 6.0 sec. (optimal)

Type S = 286hp, 0-60 = 5.5 sec.

If the base can run in the low 15s sec 1/4 mule, the Type S should run in the mid-high 14s. So I'd guess the Type S is about 3/4 second faster in the 1/4.

Both models of the TL are surprisingly quick sedans, and certainly get you moving when you need to.

I hate cars

I test drove a type S in both manual and auto form and I couldn't feel much of a difference if any in the auto. The manual felt a little faster. I think the quickest stock manual type S has gone 13.7 and the quickest manual base has gone 13.9. I believe they were separated by 2mph. Seems about right for a 28hp and 3,600 lbs.

JTS97Z28

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I still have never seen any videos of any of the different model 3rd Gen TLs racing.
I personally want to see a 5at Type S against a 6mt Type S, and a 5at Type S against a 6mt base.

EvilVirus

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^ Well TLS 6mt will take the TLS auto (unless the 6mt cant shift).

ez12a

this. both 6mt models and the TLS 5AT can get sub 6.0 0-60.

MEKO

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How about weight?
As I know both weight the same but I always think that Type-S looks or feels fatter

OK 28hp more but does the engines have same weight?
3.2 and 3.5?

Sejanus

I've ended up racing a base TL (3rd gen, not sure the year or if he had any mods, if it was AT or MT) 'per-se'. I have a stock 6MT Type-S, and I just kept pulling away. Hard to judge on a rolling start really, on a track would be more accurate.
Friend of mine has a slightly modded base model, MT. Exhaust, coil overs, 18's. I would say from our various rolling starts that it was closer, but not quite.

anx1300c

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The 3.5 probably weighs marginally more due to the longer stroke crank, but the mag intake manifold is also a little lighter, so it may be a wash there. I did read somewhere that the 3.5 A8 was around 30 lbs heavier than the 3.2 A3, but I'm skeptical of that. I just don't see where the extra weight would be.

Overall, the Type-S is a little heavier, which negates some of the power advantage.

paperboy42190

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I wish I caught my runs on video but my friend used to have a 6mt base and we did a couple runs. its very close depending on what speed we chose to start in, but if the base 6mt has a very good driver nailing all the right shifts quickly then it will very slowly beat the 5at tls.
and another time I ran a random base 6mt and he didnt do as well as my friend, as he couldnt pull away from me, was pretty much dead even. the automatic gearing is just not good for performance so if racing from a roll that starts at like 35mph(bottom of 2nd) or 65mph(bottom of 3rd) the automatic will take a second before getting into high revs and thats where a 6mt will take a slight lead. from a dig though, is the best chance I think, as I've beaten cars that I shouldn't have with a good launch.

after 109mph though, the race is definitely over for the automatic because of the 4th gear wall, until about 120mph, but who really races past 120mph? lol

d_prada1

I have raced plenty. Idk if its driver mod or Wednesday motor. But they can never really pull on me. I have a k&n drop in and PCDs. 6 spd. I have a couple runs on video. Ill upload when I get sometime

madrussian190

I have always been curious what times the stock auto TLS will get...

Also, what about the 09+ TL\SH-AWD vs the TLS

MEKO

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I think sh-awd is faster.. that thing always amazed me when I get it for rental

truonghthe

^^^oh really? no its not faster you feel it faster because it doesn't have 4th gear hit the brick wall. I drove that thing for the whole weekend as a loaner and yes there is no intended for saving MPG, pedal to the medal baby.

May be I can guy from CT doing a comparison as you guy asked above , we got two TL-S one MT and my AT, two Base MT one 07 base. MT does have incredible gear ratio in 4th where RPM only drop down to 6k meanwhile slowmatic decide to drop from red line down to 4.5k (WTF really?). This is where the MT will pulling away from AT.

JTS97Z28

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Yeah the SH-AWD TL feels pretty quick, but its only 20hp more than the TL-S, but a lot heavier. That would be an interesting race, but like you said MEKO, it does feel pretty quick so its impressive how good it feels with all that weight.

Like you guys said though with the auto Type S if your gonna race it you have to be careful because there are dead speeds where it just doesnt really want to downshift, but there are some speeds where it goes pretty nicely also. I noticed one speed thats really good to start at that will give you a perfect downshift and quick pull is around 47ish mph. Atleast my 08 will get a nice run at that speed.

anx1300c

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There are some time slips in the racing & competition section. I think the best TL-S 5AT time is 14.2 @ 98.

MEKO

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I agree
45 is a nice start on mine.
Only accurate run I had that I remember was on a straight road highway at night with a blue R32

we started right at from 45mph, becuase I slowed down to there on purpose

continued until 130, not even a second he was able to pass the TL
and I had SRI back then
but he slowed down after 120ish

1black_seven

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Not a 3g, but I made a run against a 4g base a couple times. Both times I pulled on him barley. I mean just by mere inches.
My TL only had a j-pipe + intake at the time. I assume the 4g was stock.

Franchise1124

I've always wanted to run my stock 6MT against a stock 5AT Type S just to see how things stack up but never got the chance. I did however run against a fully bolted + tuned 5AT a while back.

Results + vids in the link below.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=bolted

anx1300c

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A 6MT does not drop to only 6k on a 3/4 shift at 90 mph. It drops to mid 4k rpm. There's no way only 800 rpm would be enough to take it from 90-120 mph.

MEKO

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I knew there was a thread with TL vs TL but just wasn't sure which and couldn't find the thread

Franchise, let's do a run

4drviper

What kind of race? if it's road course (or any twisties), and they're both prepped with same brake pad (track worthy) and tire, might as well call Type S the Hype S

(with the exception of 6speed MT over 5speed AT having tighter gear ratio, provided the person can upshift and rev-match downshift faster than AT - I haven't seen this person to date)

EvilVirus

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vill0169

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I'll volunteer my base against a type-s on a track anyday LOL

dollars for donuts I'd say it's a drivers race most of the time for "normal" TL's.

Brotherbenjamin04UA6

champaned_out

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you just bumped a 5 year old thread just to quote something someone said 5 years ago?

Jackass

I think his question is in the subject line that he changed.

No, the '04 doesn't have any more or less HP than later years with the same 3.2. There was a change in how HP was reported which is why early years claim more power than later years.