pekkieboyz

hey guys,

which oil do we use ? 5w-30 10w-30? 10w-20

I hate cars

Been using the Amsoil S2000 filter for 3K miles with synthetic 5-30 oil for 35K.

Bearcat94

Sorry for the thread revival. I'm at 30% on the MID, 2nd Oil Change coming up. I am planning on using the Honda S2000 15400-PCX-004 Filter in my '07 TL-S.

Anyone have any bad experience or know of any reason not to?

I plan to buy the filter and bring to the dealership (I've got a couple of minor warranty issues as well). Should I expect any flak from the dealer service dept?

TIA.

I hate cars

I haven't used that brand but I've been using the S2000 sized filters in fram, K&N, and now Amsoil for the last few changes with no problems. Even used the giant EAO-36 from Amsoil which is more than twice as big as stock but it was a little too close to the control arm for me. You might look into Amsoil. The EAo filters have been proven to flow better and filter better than anything on the market hands down.

avirrey

What do you guys think of this?
I saw this online and wanted to get your opinions if these would be a better if not comparable substitute for 15400-PLM-A01.
Any inputs are greatly appreciated.




I have an '05 TL with approx 30k miles and been doing my own oil change and uses Castrol Synthetic
Blend and 15400-PLM-A01 filters from day 1 and never noticed any problem.




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Bearcat94

^^

From what I understand the *-PLM-A01 is fine, it's the current *-PLM-A02 that's "crap". To get similar quality as the *-PLM-A01, the S2000 Filter was suggested (along with various after-market filters).

See post #8 in this thread and the link in post #2.


(Sorry. Thought the Blue text was your signature ( ). Don't know about that filter. I like the idea of the S2000 filter).

ChrisQ1980

Anyone ever try out a HAMP oil filter. I'm looking into buying a case for $69shipped.

I hate cars

Try bobistheoilguy.com. Lots of very knowlegable people over there from every different background. Ask around for which filter to use. There is nothing better than the Amsoil EA0 20 filter. Even Hamp is not that much better than your ordinary cheap Fram.

darksom1

Man, it would help if you guys posted some names and part numbers of the oil filters that you know work the best in the 3G TL ALL IN ONE POST!

Every post seems to have different opinions. But if you guys who are knowledgeable can just make a list in just one post of the best filters for the 3G, then we who don't know shit (like me ) can google prices and info from there. Can somebody do that please? For the filters that are proven performance-wise on the 3G TL/TL-S of course. I have an oil change coming up, and I would really appreciate it as will others I am sure.

For example:

1. Mobil 1 #M1-104

...and so on and so on. Thanks in advance!

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Is there another thread that I missed or should we start a list on this one?

2. Amsoil EAO20. This is the bigger S2000 filter. I believe the EAO 13 is the stock TL filter.

There is nothing on the market that filters finer and flows better at the same time. The research has been done, just look it up. The oil even stays golden looking longer. I've seen many UOAs with it but I'm doing my own on the next change with the EAO20 and straight 30wt oil.

darksom1

I found some more:

Honda - #15400-PLM-A01 (Stock Filter - Filtech made)
Honda - #15400-PCX-004 (S2k)
Mobil 1 - #M1-104 (Oversized from stock)
Mobil 1 - #M1-110 (Same size as stock)
Purolator PureONE - #PL14610
Hastings - #LF-386
Wix - #51334
Amsoil - #EAO-20 (S2k)

darksom1

There is a lot of good info here on this. But it really is too technical for me. I just wanted point blank to know which filters to use on the TL for the best performance. I was also trying to help out others who wished to avoid the technical jargon and get the part they needed as well.

darksom1

I found some more:

Honda - #15400-PLM-A01 (Stock Filter - Filtech made)
Honda - #15400-PCX-004 (S2k)
Mobil 1 - #M1-104 (Oversized from stock)
Mobil 1 - #M1-110 (Same size as stock)
Purolator PureONE - #PL14610
Hastings - #LF-386 (correction: LF-240)
Wix - #51334
Amsoil - #EAO-20 (S2k)

darksom1

Sorry to make so many posts, but the 5 min rule won't allow me to edit. I think personally I am going to go with the K&N filter HP-1010. It has all of the things that the guys in the forum have squabbled about going for it, and plus I saw somewhere in the myriad links browsed, that it and the Mobil 1 filter were in the top 4 of some oil filters tested. Take it for what it's worth...

K&N - #HP-1010 (fits 3G TL & TL-S; info here and here)
Honda - #15400-PLM-A01 (Stock Filter - Filtech made)
Honda - #15400-PCX-004 (S2k)
Mobil 1 - #M1-104 (Oversized from stock)
Mobil 1 - #M1-110 (Same size as stock)
Purolator PureONE - #PL14610
Hastings - #LF-386 (correction: LF-240)
Wix - #51334
Amsoil - #EAO-20 (S2k)

Bearcat94

darksom1, I certainly don't have all the answers. This is probably not perfect and others may have their own opinion, but as near as I can tell:

Amisol EAO series >

15400-PCX-004 (S2K Stock) >= Mobil M1-104 >= 15400-PLM-001 (TL/TL-S Old Stock) >

Mobil M1-110 >

15400-PLM-002 (TL/TL-S New Stock) >= Fram TL OEM Replacement #7317

The Amisol (when used with Amisol Oil) is "guaranteed" for 25,000 miles between FILTER changes but cost's about 3x more than the 15400-PCX-004 (S2K Stock), so it works out OK cost wise. But thats more miles than I'd go between oil filter changes, especially with warranty implications where you'd have to convince Acura.



(>= means "Greater Than or Eqaul To" ---- )

darksom1

^That seems like what I've been reading too Bear!
FYI:
I would also like to post that Amazon.com carries the K&N HP-1010 (K&N price is $14.49) for $9.49! I don't mind the extra expense for this filter, but some of you might. I just tought it might be helpful to know where you can get it cheap, and if you order $25 worth - free shipping! So I figured I would order enough for 3 oil changes.

nfnsquared

Just be wary of oversized/longer filters. Remember this thread?:

oversized filter crushed by suspension

I hate cars

Good thread. This is why I uninstalled the huge EAO36 and went with the slightly larger s2000 filter.

No need to worry with the s2000 filter as it's no longer than stock.

darksom1

Hmm...I have to check the specs on the PCX-004 and the HP-1010 to see how close in size they are. The K&N does seem larger to accomodate that built-on nut on the top. Decisions, decisions...

I hate cars

EAO13 is the stock Amsoil filter for the TL.

I've run the K&N oversized s2000 filter and my girlfriend even hit a very large pothole on the passenger side with it on there. No problems whatsoever.

darksom1

The K&N specs:
'06 S2k (HP-1004) - 3.48in
'06 TL (HP-1010) - 3.75in

I want the TL one, so do you think that height difference makes a big difference on the vehicle as far as "safe" clearance? I know it will fit, but what about the concerns of being smashed? They are built solid so regular driving is not a concern of mine.

Bearcat94

This is from the linked thread regarding the smashed filter. Ron A measured a stock filter. Doesn't quite answer your question, but both are taller than the stock TL filter.

I hate cars

I honestly can't answer that because I've only used the s2K K&N on mine. The only thing I can add is that I'm pretty sure the length includes the nut on the end. With the angle of the filter, the corner/end of the filter will contact the suspension before the nut will. Since the TL filter is a smaller diameter, that will give you a little extra clearance for a given length. If it's the filter they call for, I'm sure it will work. I've run a filter that's signifigantly bigger both length and diameter but won't mention the name because I only tested it for a couple days and chickened out without ever hitting a hard bump.

darksom1

Thanks man! I'm going to go ahead and order the K&N filter. But because the guy in the thread linked by Bearcat who smashed his filter had no warning, I guess it will be good for me to check periodically if everything is ok by looking underneath.

Bearcat94

I did go out and buy the S2000 15400-PCX-004 filters. Got them for about $7.40 each shipped.

Size-wise, based on Ron A's measurments of the Original TL 15400-PLM-A01 and my measurements of the 15400-PCX-004, here's what you've got:


Height:

PLM-A01 = 3 1/4"
PCX-004 = 3 1/4"


OD:

PLM-A01 = 2 3/4"
PCX-004 = 2 7/8"


Had the dealer use the 15400-PCX-004 that I provided. The Service Advisor said that thier techs weren't real happy with the change to the A02 as the standard for the TL and admitted that the Original Spec A01 was a better filter.

kamuiangl

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well i was reading up on this thread and sent the picture of the two filters to a 2nd gen TL buddy of mine and this is what he had to say to me about it:

"I will not buy into the frenzy that claims a filter which uses cardboard to hold the filter media together is not as good as one that uses metal. Observations below:

Most of the pictures I have come across show filters that are obviously old and outdated. it is most likely that in response to all this attention on the matter Fram has updated thier design.

If not, I have to point out a few things. Pleats-Fram uses less pleats, but the filter's dimensions in relation the OEM honda filter are much larger. the fram filter is taller, and thus the area of each pleat if greater. since the honda filter is shorter, it needs to have more pleats to accommodate the surface area. furthermore, when is too many pleats too much? more pleats=less free flowing room for oil. the less free flowing room the higher the back pressure through the filter and the greater need for a more durable pressure bypass valve. perhaps thats why honda has a metal one, they had to make it stronger because of the pressure flaw.

I am sure Fram sells hundreds of thousands of filters per year, and IF their filters suck as some people believe, than cars would be falling over dead all over the place and Fram would be buying new engines for all.

Anyhow, all filters are meant to go for 7500 miles, and most smart people replace at 3000. which significantly reduces the chances that a filter will fail prior to changing it out for a new one."

I just want to know if he has a point or not if i can tell him to keep pounding sand about his R&D work experience and that he is full of crap. thanks!

darksky

OK... so the S2000 filter (Honda Part# 15400-PCX-004) will fit my '08's 3.2 L engine?

mr.almeida

There's a new Honda filter just to let everyone know, I have some in my toolbox. I work tomorrow so I'll take some pictures.

darksky

sounds good mr.almeida... any chance we can get you to preform an alien autopsy on the filter as shown three posts up (posted by kamuiangl)?

avs007

If you read this, you'll see that actually Fram has the SMALLEST surface area of almost every single filter on the market. (Compared against filters that cross-reference with it).

Not necessarily true. I can't remember the link, but there was a link somwhere where you can find the flow-rates of these filters. But anyways, there are lots of things to consider with the pleats...

Fewer pleats may flow more, but they also provide less filtering area, meaning it can plug up easier. Since the pleats are bigger and fewer, than depending on the material, it may be more vulnerable to breakage due to pressure spikes, etc... Also, trying to seal metal to cardboard doesn't sound like a good idea. And yes, I have used fram filters in the past, and I always got valvetrain chatter at startup when I did... When I switched to better filters those problems went away.

It's not like a bad filter will cause your car to explode the second you drive it.. In college my friend's dad never changed the oil in his lexus for 50,000 miles. The car ran fine for quite a long time, then the engine finally siezed after 50,000 miles. That was no oil changes, and no filter changes. A filter with bad seals and or bad filtering capacity is still better then the above. Perhaps the problems associated with bad filters means your engine lasts 100,000 miles instead of 250,000 miles, etc. Hard to point fingers when you need your engnie replaced at 100,000 miles.

That's not necessarily true. Fram filters have been known to fail since day one, because it allows oil to drain past the drainback valve, causing drivetrain chatter at startup, which places abnormal wear on your engine at startup each day. Besides, some manufacturers have longer oil change intervals. Even Acura has change intervals up to 7,500 miles or more depending on your driving habits and what the oil-life monitor calculates. I think BMW has intervals up to 15,000 miles, etc.

S PAW 1

Quote:
Fram filters have been known to fail since day one, because it allows oil to drain past the drainback valve, causing drivetrain chatter at startup, which places abnormal wear on your engine at startup each day.

Do you have documentation to support this? I am not necessarily disagreeing with your arguments on Fram quality, but your comment seems downright defamatory.
I do find it interesting that when I changed the oil on my '07 TL-S for the first time, it had a Filtech oil filter. Doesn't seem as though Honda has too much faith in their 002 version, at least during the break-in period.

I hate cars

To take it a little further and I'm going to have to duck and hide after this one but the TL doesn't need an anti-drainback as much as a lot of cars do. The filter is nearly vertical and right side up. There's no where for the oil to drain to. My Buick needs one because the filter is horizontal. My toyota needed one because the filter was upside down.

IMO, after looking at many pictures, the only filters that stand out are the K&N and Amsoil Eoa series. I chose the Amsoil because it flows more AND filters better. On top of that it has a higher bypass pressure. This should be beneficial especially on cold starts to avoid unfiltered oil.

avs007

Whether the filter is right-side up or sideways is irrelevant so long as the filter is not the lowest point in the system. The oil pan is lower than the filter.

Think of a syphon. As long as there is no air in the system, you can place a hose into something, and have the fluid drain into a cup even if the hose is going up and over the top of the container holding the liquid, so long as the end of the hose is the lowest point in the system.

avs007

What do I need documentation for? I said "have been known", not "all fram filters fail". That means there have been occasions... That is absolutely true, because of the experience I've had with them in not only my cars, but my parent's cars as well. This was in resposne to the comment that "all filters" are capable of working correctly for 7,500 miles. THAT kind of claim is the type that needs documentation.

If you look online many others had the same problems with engine chatter at startup when using fram filters as well, which went away when they switched to other filters.

I hate cars

The filter is pretty low in the system. The oil is not going to go from flowing one way with the engine running to the opposite way with the engine off, back through the media, and through the stationary oil pump.

Think of a hose put into a gas tank to siphon gas but nothing to start the siphon and a few large restrictions in the way.

avs007

It's low, but it's not the lowest. It WILL flow back. Saying it won't is like saying if you pour oil into the cylinder head it won't flow back to the pan.

And its not like having to start a syphon because the only reason you need to "start" a syphon is to remove air from the hose. There is no air in the oil line, so no need to "prime" it.

Paper media is not going to restrict flow back. If it did, then drip coffee makers wouldn't work.

Bearcat94

Just found these on line. FYI.

Genuine OE 15400-PLM-A01 *Original* TL/TL-S Oil Filters. Good price too.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ACURA...hippingPayment

goodoldayz

is this the one that has the magnet in the middle to clear out metal fillings ?

nfnsquared

Yeah, thread revival, but figured it's better than starting yet another oil filter thread...

I subscribe to CarsNtoys and he just did a video on the Fram Pro Series Synthetic filters. After doing a little research, I stumbled upon a great deal on these filters on eBay.

These are wire-mesh backed, synthetic media, 20 micron, 15K interval filters. As near as I can tell, these are identical the the FRAM "XG Ultra" series synthetic filters, except for the rubber grip material on the end of the can. The rumor says that the "Pro" series was intended only for sale to shops, not individuals. This (and the "ultra") is a very good filter in it's own right and especially at less than $6 each.

You can get 12 for $69 shipped or 6 for $36 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201578543461

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201495014407

aIRpeACE

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fram is trashy