SlowRiderr

OP go drive the cars and find out for yourself. i read through and realized you haven't even test drove the cars in question yet? this is silly.

avs007

Are you saying the Accord still has the moonroof controls on the dash to the left of the steering wheel? I swear, that was one of the things I hated most about our 2G TL. I think that's the most retarded place to put the moonroof controls. Does it at least have one-touch open and close? That was another thing I hated about the 2G TL...

avs007

The G8 has a Vette derived LSx powertrain... Parts will be EASY to obtain for years to come... And even tho the G8 is going away, the Holden that it was based on is not going anywhere...

avs007

You do realize that the 2G TL and CL were sold as Honda Inspire/Sabre in Japan. Then in 03', the redesigned Japan market Honda Inspire became the redesigned US Market Accord, and the following redesigned TL became a North American Market only model.

So with that being said, of course the Accord could easily be an acura model... It was already an acura model previously...

lldknyll26

So can a type s auto take on v6 accord 6mt?

23109VC

I have test driven a TON of them. I've driven ALL of the following in the last 30 days

2007 TL-S
2008 TL-S
2008 TL Base w/nav
2006 Tl Base w/nav
2G RL
Pontiac G8
IS350
M/B E320
BMW 530i
BMW 335i
09 TL
09 TSX

so please don't say I haven't driven these cars..I"ve driven a LOT of them. The only cars I asked about that I didn't drive were the C class and 2008 Honda. I went to look at a C class but once I sat in it, I realized it was so small that I didn't want to waste the sales guy time by driving it...

I ask and ask about cars, despite having driven them, becuase you can only learn so much on a test drive. *Owning* a car and *living with it* makes you aware of things that you would not take notice on during a brief test drive. There are a lot of people on this forum who have replied "I own a TL and car X" and they have provided invaluable comparisons.

The mods can lock my threads, you can rag on me, but in the end, I'm going to make an informed purchase... becuase I've collected a lot of data and driven a lot of cars.

To all of you who have helped me and provided info - THANK YOU!!!! I sincerely appreciate your feedback.

FWIW - I still like the TL-S the best. The 08 I drove last night was really really nice. It drove/looked/felt like a new car. Too bad the dealers are tryin to get MORe for it used than the car sold for NEW!

csmeance

when dropping such a large sum of money, it's ok to make a few threads here and there. However don't make a new thread every other day, that just becomes annoying. to the OP, just continue in this thread, it should take you pretty far. No need for new threads, just bump this one up.

ScorpioNAtl

I've owned both the Accord and now the TL and IMO, the TL's suspension alone makes the decision an easy one - go TL. The published gas mileage on Acuras are underrated. I snagged a base 08 Certified TL with 12k for 27,5 last August. I know you want Nav and it is very nice, but everyone else does too so it makes it harder to bargain with the dealers. Type-S just makes it even tougher as most want to buy a used 3G rather than a new 4G in today's economy. There are only 2 gripes I have about my 08: 1)'boomerang' doors w/fragile leather covered pockets 2) no fold-down rear seat.

BEAR-AvHistory

Christmas tree start: I would put my money on the Accord 6MT over a Type-S 5 AT.

The 5AT is significantly slower then the 6MT version by as much as .5 second over a quarter mile. At 100MPH, general terminal speed for these cars in a quarter mile race, that about 75 feet or about 5 car lengths.

The Accord should be quicker then my 6MT & I have never been beaten by a Type-S auto. By the same token I have never had the opportunity to go with a Type-S 6MT which should be quicker then me.

There are 3 5AT's at the Martial Arts school I attend & all were done in by the time the 1/2 shift was made. Only went as far as the 2/3 shift but do not think they had enough of a horsepower advantage to close up in a quarter mile run since I was still pulling out on them.

Dave_W

Thats a good question when you consider that the older 2nd gen TL only had 9.8:1 compression but required premium fuel. Obviously with the higher compression engines premium is a no brainer.

BEAR-AvHistory

It all depends on the computers spark advance curve & how efficient the anti-knock sensors are. If you pull the spark advance out of a high compression engine @ WOT it will not knock. It will not deliver as much power either, but it will produce pretty good fuel economy numbers at mid range RPM's.

A 9.8:1 with a lot of lead will knock on regular, cut the lead back & its fine on regular.

Before modern computer based ignition systems 9.5:1 used to be the general break point between high test & regular.

23109VC

honestly, I don't care if one car can outrun the other by .5 seconds...

I test drove the IS350 and it was faster than the TL-S - but not enough faster to make me want to buy it. it was too small, and it felt numb and disconnected. smooth...but kind of disconnected to the road.

the TL-S was fast enough.

I test drove a Base w/nav about a week ago, and while I didn't get a chance to drive a Type S and base back to back - my impression was that the Type S doesn't feel *tons* faster, but it is faster. the base feels pretty quick, and both cars have a similar "stiff" riding feel and "stiff" steering feel which makes them feel sportier than say the Lexus.

The 2008 TL-S that I really like is overpriced....they are asking $33k and I think they want to get 31-32k for it. which I WON'T pay. I could see going to 29k...and that woudl be it. my guess is there will be NO deal on that car for me as what I will pay they won't take..

my next option is to either get an 08 base w/nav - which I can grab for about that price 27-29...let's call it $28k. I have seen a few certified 08s. one so cal dealer has 2-3 of their loaners for sale as CPOs. I know some people here were WAY against buying a loaner, saying it was probably flogged... if it's CPO - i figure i'm good to go though... if something breaks they are on the hook for it up to 62k miles... if need be, i could buy a wrap around to 100k...

ok, so buy a 2008 CPO base w/nav

OR

I go for the Type S but I look at 2007 models with 25-35k miles. I've seen quite a few 07s in my area that have 25-25k miles and they are asking 28-30k but you know they would take 27-28k. some are CPO and some are not... I found one 2007 in my area that is WDP, but NOT CPO, at a small arab run car lot - the car only has 11k miles..which seems LOW for an 07..almost too low..i drove it and it seeemed ok, it neede dan alignmnet..it was off *slightly* but other than that it drove nice. i'd want that car looked at by a dealer and maybe even a body shop to scan for damage..but that means i'd spend a day and half running around to dealer and paying a couple hundred in inspections...but they are only asking $27k for that car and possbily coudl get him down to $25k.

lets say my optionsare:

2008 CPO base w/nav with only 11k miles for $28k

or

2007 Type S, CPO with 35k miles for $28k

would you rather have a newer lower mileage base w/nav or a one year older, higher mileage Type S?

part of me want sthe S. my wife, who makes good points, points out that I have a boxster for "fun" and this is just a commuter car, so she says screw the tyhpe S and just go base w/nav and get the newest lowest mileage car you can get.it will last longer and we get more usage out of it by it being a low mileage car...

you think the power difference or handling difference is THAT noticable?? when I test drove hte base w/nav it honeslty didn't feel tons slower, but again, my tests drives wer enot back to bakc.

one thing I will say - is that having test driven some 08s with 10k miles vs some 07s with 30k miles - i can feel a big diffence in teh "newness" and "tightness" of the 08 with lower miles..almost to where i tmight e nicer to have the lowe rmileage 08 base/nav vs; a 35k mile Type s......

you think 28k for a CPO 08 base w/nav is way high or a fair price? it's alos a loaner car..so while somepeople drove it nice, some probalby flogged it..but then again, any used car, especially a Type S that was only owned a year coudl ahve been a short term lease and the owner flogged it too... you never know... one thing, the car i found that i sa base w/nav is WDP / ebony - love love love thatcolor combo... tint the windows and it looks sick.

shooter

FWIW ... get the type-s as it's unique compare to tons of regular TL on the road ...

pnoi521

No, the 08+ accords have the same sunroof button like the one in the 3G TLs. and yes, they have one touch open and close.

jeowen

If you plan on keeping it for 5-7+ years, as you stated in one of your posts, get the TYPE-S. It's CPO, and you should be able to negotiate a lower price. Just go to the dealership the last day of the month, a couple hours before close-that shifts the power in your advantage more than you expect - GL

23109VC

I'll try to negotiate a good deal on the S. They may just stick to their guns.

I can always look at 07s too.

Is there really ANY difference between 07s and 08s? It may just be that the 08s I've driven have less miles, ,but the 08s I've driven feel tighter. Even the 07 I drove that only had 11k miles ddin't seem as "tight" / rigid as the 08 I drove with the same mileage.....

maybe it's all in my head.... is there any difference in the build qulity of the 08s vs 07s?

Babnik

The 2008 TL features an improved new immobilizer system, a separate Tire Pressure Monitoring System warning lamp and two new body colours. The navigation system has been updated to work in Hawaii, and the AcuraLink satellite capability has been expanded to incorporate 76 markets (up from 38 markets for the 2007 model).

lldknyll26

i noticed the 07 and the 08 both uses 2007 zagat review.

Cerezo

After so many threads of yours you've said one thing, "I like the TL-S so much but I think they ask too much". I mean, come on... Just get a $500 beater instead and be done with it. /ass

23109VC

thanks for the constructive comment....

I come here to get advice, not backhanded comments. Sorry I spammed your boards with too many questions. I am an inquisitive person and like to gather a lot of opinions. If you don't have anything nice or constructive to say, why don't you go read some other thread..

and they ARE asking too much. When I had written offers to BUY a TL-S in 2008 for $31,500 +TTL, it blow me away that dealers now think people should pay them $33-34k. If they can get it, great. there are suckers born every minute...but the car is NOT really worth what they are asking. I can't make them sell it to me, but they can't make me pay their stupid prices either.

i'll eventually get what I want at the price I want.

to everyone who has HELPED me with info - THANKS.

23109VC

bump - update

i'm not starting a new thread...

posting my updates HERE. Local dealer has a 2007 WDP TL Type S. 32,000. the car has a window sticker of $28999, but it's listed on the internet at $27500. I don't now how much more room is in the car, but I am guessing not a whole lot and the 27500 figure might be near rock bottom for them to just break even...

the car was at THIS lot, then it disappeared and went to another Acura dealer..but it was only at the other dealer for maybe a week, then it went right back to the original dealer..no idea if that is beause some sort of inter dealer trade fell through, or if there is some kind of a problem with the car...i drove it and it seems fine other than maybe needing an alignment... the price seems decent for a CPO car.

to stay in tehis price range and move to an 08, I'd need to forgoe getting a type S an djust get a lowe rmileage 08 base w/nav..for like 27-28k and honestly, i think that's kind of steep for an 08 base, even with nav.

i test drove one today at lunch - a base w/nav - and while it rides nice, it clearly lacks the power/punch/edge that the Type S has.

lldknyll26

23109VC, i never test drove a base model. Is there that much difference btwn the base and the type s model? How so? Perhaps i should go out and test drive a base model. You think a dealer wil let me test drive a 08 base model tl if i drive my type s to the dealer? lol