splew

So I tried a 0-60 run in my 6MT with VSA off for the first time. I thought the amount of wheelspin was hilarious. This was on Continental Extreme Contact DW summer tires too.


So anyways, this thread isn't completely pointless. The video is a good illustration of the stock 04-06 6MT 0-60 time. Even with my poor launch, it pulled of a time of around 6 seconds flat (according to my stop watch), so it will match the car magazine 0-60 times.

Just thought I would share.

NetoAzul

You should've gone all the way and maxed out the car.

splew

Haha, no this was on a little 2 lane back road in the middle of the day, I wasn't about to do a top speed run.

Plus, trying to hold a camera to film while driving 100+mph seems pretty stupid IMO.

justnspace

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I try not to spin.

ez12a

nice, approx 0-60 in 6 just eyeballing it.

edit: lol whoops i didnt read your comment after the video. but yeah! same deal. lol

i love our 6MTs!

splew

Yeah I was pleasantly surprised. Six seconds flat is what most of the car mags claimed as the TL's 0-60 time. Usually those claims are a tad optimistic, but it looks like I was able to just about match them even with my somewhat crappy launch.

geekybiker

I'm sure ditching the craptastic stock tires helps...

Undying Dreams

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He's on Conti Summer tires...

Read the OP

Nice video dude.

geekybiker

That was my point.

paperboy42190

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I'll post a 0-60 of my car. I don't have as much wheelspin though my tires are too good.

Bada$$VTEC

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Nice vid,I can never have a good 0-60 with VSA off..

Running -2 camber up front sucks

which is why i cant wait to get my adjustable upper balljoints.

anx1300c

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Most of the tests on the base TL 6MT were in the 5.7-5.9 range, with a 5.6 on an a-spec, but then again most of those magazines use rollout which is basically cheating. It does shave a couple tenths when they use rollout.

Undying Dreams

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Conti's are really good tires. Very sticky.

If I'm not mistaken this car came with Michelin tires, which are still very good. So calling the stock tires crap is kinda confusing me...

IamaTL

he was agreeing with you.

Undying Dreams

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x1000

paperboy42190

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why would the aspec TL be any quicker than nonaspec? if anything wouldnt it be slower due to weight from lip kit(20 lbs?)

ez12a

.1 i would think is within margin of error.

but if not, isnt the a-spec suspension even stiffer than the 6MT base? Less squat, more traction perhaps. Weren't the '04 A-Spec wheels wider? Who knows...the a-spec kit also has something like a drag coefficient decrease over non a-spec (whether thats from the kit or the suspension/wheels).

rockstar143

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Yeah, I have those tires, they grip plenty but the 6MT with the LSD, and a good launch is hard to keep em from breaking loose. Almost better off taking off and slowly building up the speed rather than balls to the wall. You end up losing more from the slamming and quick shifts due to the spin.

I hate cars

Stock tires were crap. I could spin them on a rolling 20mph hit in my 5at for the first 50k until i replaced them. Even the optional tires were crappy. I'm surprised the TL did as good as it did in mag tests on those tires. You can't judge based on brand, stock tires were a semi low rolling resistance tire which means poor performance.

The Contis have gotten a rep as being a sticky tire around here for some reason. They're middle of the pack, average in their category but far from a sticky or true performance tire. 0-60 is all about traction, on the right tire with the right driver there's no doubt the 6mt TL could go deep into the 5 second range.

justnspace

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^ at them saying the conti's are sticky.

dude, I'm on the direzza's now.
I really cant compare to the NT05 as its been so long ago to do a fair comparison.
BUTT, I feel that this tire will last a lot longer than the NT05s.
also, the tire pressure isnt so finicky as the nittos.
and thats where I failed with them! I should have monitored the pressure more closely.

rockstar143

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I'm going with Direzza's next, found a good deal on em.
J.

Well, maybe I'd gotten used to non sticky tires because I felt like the conti's were a big upgrade for me. Could be that I don't drive the car as hard anymore.

i_love_cars

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This thread makes me sad because I just had to put my snow tires on last night. No more fun rubber until winter in Wisconsin is over.

on the topic of grip, there are only about 4 tires I would put on this car that truly grip well (2 of them mentioned in this thread already), although I think more auto-x oriented than straight line 0-60. Conti's are not one of them

justnspace

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direzza star specs and nt05!



<---Runs summer tires all year long!

I hate cars

No doubt. The biggest complaint I have against the NT05 is the tire life. I wish they came with a full 9/32s. You're right about tire pressure. 35psi, amazing traction. 37-38psi, nothing. Now that it's cooling off I'm having to adjust my driving style. I took off yesterday morning at 34F and hit a corner while the tires were stone cold at a speed I always hit it at and the rear end got real loose, nearly full lock loose. Still no worse than an average summer tire but it's a big difference that will get you in trouble if you don't expect it. I'm intersted to know your opinion on the Star Specs in the cold. Also, how is tire noise?

terdonal

Unfortunately my ILX 6mt will do that with the VSA on and without pushing higher rpms before popping the clutch. It is even worth with the snow tires on and in the wet the snow tires will spin 1 through 3rd.

justnspace

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the goal is not to spin....

terdonal

It most certainly is, I am just saying.

justnspace

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LOL, modulate your foot!
we dont want a run away ILX.

terdonal

Yup after 49 yrs of driving I have figured that out.

sauceja

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4th gear vtec is where its at.

justnspace

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I like third better.
4th- youre getting into triple digit speeds.

splew

The Continentals are pretty good being summer tires, but I'm not trying to claim they're the stickiest out there or anything. Obviously there a few other max performance summer tires that are better, and then of course there's the short wearing extreme performance summer tires which are way better. The only reason I mentioned them is so people wouldn't think I was running crappy all seasons.

I mainly got the Extreme Contact DWs because they're excellent all around tires. They're quiet, reasonably comfy, fairly cheap, long wearing and the provide fairly good dry traction and excellent wet traction.

I agree it could have been done faster too. This was my first VSA-off attempt. The launch was a bit too aggressive, and the amount of wheel-spin caught me off guard to the point where I didn't even floor it until second gear. Being on a rather roughly paved road and trying to hold a camera probably didn't help either.

akajjang9

they are expensive for what they are, imo

rockstar143

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...I got mine on clearance for $105 per tire, so not always the case.

Justin...RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!

I hate cars

I didn't mean to single you out. You had a great launch and shift considering the bad road conditions and holding a camera lol. The Contis are a good tire, I didn't mean for it to sound like there is anything wrong with them. Getting the most out of a FWD car on launch is not easy.

rockstar143

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Amen to that, Matt...

splew

Not really. They're one of the best rated tires in their category on Tirerack in both user reviews and Tirerack's testing. There are undoubtedly better performing tires in the category, like Michelin's Pilot Sport PS2 and Pilot Super Sport, but those typically cost up to $100 more per tire than the Contis (I paid $135 per tire for mine).

Plus, the Extreme Contact DWs seemed to be designed with more emphasis on low noise, good ride quality, good wet traction and longer wear rather than being ultimate dry grip one trick ponies. So if you're just looking for ultimate dry grip, then yeah they're not hugely impressive. However, if you're looking for a great DD all around tire, then they're one of the better ones out there, IMO.

Yeah I didn't think you were trying to single me out or anything. I just waned to make it clear that this wasn't intended to be some show off thread, like "look at this super fast 0-60 run!" or "look how awesome my tires are!", lol.

geekybiker

Apparently I need to learn not to be subtle. I was saying the descent 0-60 in spite of the wheelspin is probably in large part due to the better tires. Contis aren't the best tire ever, but the stockies sucked.

I hate cars

I hate to say this but I would never run Michelins. They are a great tire, tend to have the whole package (noise, performance, comfort, etc) most of the time. But there are better performing tires than even the PS2 for much less. I can get the Nitto NT05 for about $150 each out the door which includes mounting and balancing and all of that stuff. The Dunlop Star Specs also outperform the PS2 in most areas for much less money.

Thunderrr

Im bit disappointed when I bought my base 07TL a year ago it did 7seconds
After I drop my gf off tonight I am going to try again. The 07 has the worst 0-60 I wonder why.. Maybe it’s the RL tranny