DeathMetal

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Technically, no...they are referenced as stoppers and mounts, and would be equally as susceptible to fatigue over time.

CL9 Jon

replace those too... let us know how the results are

Elegant TYPE S

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I have had a lot of time to analyze and study this and I really think that's where the money is!

twigglius

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Man those have to be a PITA to replace.

DeathMetal

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I might bite the bullet on this. I am talking to my mechanic to see how arduous this would be in conjuction to the aforementioned list. If they pop out easily, I might hop on it.

Elegant TYPE S

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Where in jersey are you located? Im in Short Hills and I'd be interested as well depending on price. Please talk to your mechanic. I have good one too in Clifton NJ.

DeathMetal

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Paul is already working up the numbers

Elegant TYPE S

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Hahah. Maybe I'll stop by if you pursue it. He's a good guy. You should also change out to the type s sway bar while your at it since the subframe will be coming down. Best time to do it. It will defintily tighten things up.

DeathMetal

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I am going to do this...it's just a matter of when.

Our second child is 10 days old which puts my wife out of work for some time and a temporary halt on all non-critical spending...so I will be getting all of the research done during the interim. Paul's prices are SICK, so I will absolutely be using him.

DeathMetal

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Current list, less hardware. I'll add the hardware shortly.

NBP04TL4ME

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Elegant TYPE S

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subframe parts cost the least but its the most PITA to replace

BC2G

how did you know your bushings had gone?

i still have a tight/smooth ride but from the right side i hear clanking and clattering quite a bit going over the rough roads of Los Angeles, pot holes, divits in the road etc...

My main symptom though is a horrible shimmy and shake at low RPM's around 30 mph.... its almost unbearable at times... it stops when i come off the throttle or increase RPMS...
I've already changed all motor mounts, tires were recently replaced (with the new ones being balance and allignment) and the problem existed before and still after

Corey_Straker

I notice this too on my 07 Type-S. I've been trying to hunt down what is causing my "floating" feeling in my car for the longest time. Replacing all the motor mounts definatly helped for me, while doing this I replaced all my swaybar bushings and end links. Still hasn't helped when I go over a hill that has a slight turn to it, feels like the body and wheels don't want to listen to one another.

I'm definatly in for finding out what the culprate is, becasue this isn't just a TL problem, It's every car that's about 5-7 years old, I've noticed it around the dealership. Especially with 07 MDX's with high mileage and having new 13's that were perfect.

cokorote

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I'm sure its the axle, they do shimmy and shake under acceleration under low mph.

Elegant TYPE S

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Axles ... 100% ... symptoms are classic to your description. Replace them both and you will get rid of that vibration in the floor board you feel.

This has taken the fun out of this car. I still remember what it felt like when I had it brand new. Such fun.

cokorote

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That what this thread are for. Lets hope we get it back those ol' feeling

H23Accord

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DeathMetal

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Well, someone's gonna have to bite, the question simply is - who's first? I'll be biting this bullet for certain, I just don't know if I can commit to doing it this year...

Acurafan86

I actually just had all three of the LCA bushings replaced at the dealer a while ago; they let me bring in the parts (OEM). If you can, replace all three as preventative maintenance but realize the car may need an alignment afterwards (mine did). On my 04 TL, the bushings had 201,xxx original miles and were torn. I also noticed some serious clunking developed at 195,000 which disappeared after replacement. The ride is better, but my socks were not blown off by the results. Interestingly, the design of the new compliance bushings appeared to be different in a positive way. Hope this helps someone.

Corey_Straker

I wish I had the pleasure of driving one when they were brand new, I wish I had the ability to buy one new, but unfortunately I couldn't even drive when they came out.

AMEN! I'm down for trying stuff.

TheDr9669

Have you looked into a set of these?

http://www.procarinnovations.com/pd2...-spherical-kit

I installed these in my '04 V6 Accord a bit over a year ago with some Koni yellow struts. I have the TL-S front and rear sway bars installed also. I am not lowered at all. I love the handling of the car now. It can be a bit rough at times over very bad road, but worth everything gained. I will be putting these on my wife's '06 TL when I do her suspension next year. I cant express how much a difference these made to steering feel. Laser sharp, excellent road feel, and are good forever!

DeathMetal

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Can you show us some images of the wear after 1 year? There's concern regarding the lack of a rubber boot.

CL9 Jon

that's a completely flase statement. if anything the spherical bushings wear at an accelerated rate... it's metal on metal wear... once the get worn... they'll get chatter and get egg shaped quick.

they're for track applications, not everday wear/tear, and debris on the road... dirt, water, salt, etc...

Elegant TYPE S

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I dont get where they go? Lower control arms?

Slpr04UA6

^yes. Where compliance bushings go. The other bushing is to replace the rear bushing of the LCA (closest to steering wheel, I believe).

TheDr9669

The spherical bearing/bushing kit has right around 30k miles on them and are just over a year old. As you can see, I do not clean them. When I wash the car I spray inside the wheel wells to get all the dirt and road grime off. I have been down miles long dirt and gravel roads, and I live in the Houston area. Needless to say, it has not been an easy 30k miles. I have no weird noises, creaks, or squeaks. If I did, they would get a spray of lithium grease and allowed to sit over night. My alignment is spot on. I truly enjoy how well the road is communicated back to me.

cokorote

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^^ Cant see the pictures.

TheDr9669

Here we go, sorry about that. Here we go.

20140508_100108 by Leroy9669, on Flickr

20140508_100059 by Leroy9669, on Flickr

20140508_100047 by Leroy9669, on Flickr

20140508_100134 by Leroy9669, on Flickr

Elegant TYPE S

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I'll probably invest in these soon enough.

Corey_Straker

Have we narrowed it down to what we think it is? Compliance bushings, LCA ?

TheDr9669

I respectfully disagree. These are made for the long term. please read the following quotes.

"This spherical bushing kit is long lasting and has replaceable bearings. The SB-TSX-FL will not bind and is maintenance free!"

and

"CNC MACHINED 6061 ALUMINUM HOUSINGS STAINLESS STEEL SPACERS
HIGH QUALITY USA MADE SPHERICAL BEARINGS
DOUBLE O-RING SEALED BEARINGS HELD IN PLACE BY INTERNAL SNAP RINGS"

As I stated before, I have never had any noises or other issues out of these. The closest thing to a complaint I have about these is that my car had a few more noticeable rattles that I took care of. I did a lot of research on these before I installed them, and even just recently. I have not seen one example of even a like product wearing out or needing to be replaced. Would you please elaborate or provide examples of wear, egg shaping, or chatter?

Legend2TL

If you want to make your bushing last longer, I highly recommend 100% pure silicone spray on them and CV joint boots whenever you do maintenance (oil change, rotate tires,....). Takes only seconds and adds years and miles to the rubber. Do not use WD40 or any product with petroleum. 100% silicone should be at any hardware store or Walmart.



I've been doing this for decades and it extends the life of the rubber alot!!
My wife's 2003 Pilot with 238K miles is still on the original CV joint boots and all bushings.

DeathMetal

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You've got a point. I cannot find any Google search indicating failure on a spherical compliance bushing.

I also cannot find any long term reviews indicating they won't fail.

So...your feedback is kind of a first!

How long have they been on and how has the vibration been? I understand they do amplify SW feedback.

TheDr9669

They have been on just over a year. In that year they have right around 30k miles. When I did this I put Koni Yellow adjustable struts in front and did the TL-S front and rear sway bars. My Accord became a different car. It bites into corners like an animal, stays steady and true, and provides amazing feed back. Torque steer was reduced a bit. During extremely hard threshold braking the car will no longer wander or get squirmy. For the most part, rough road has become much louder, but not harsh. A speed bump or pot hole hit too fast WILL be hard and LOUD, but you should be paying attention and not hit those hard anyways. My wife's '06 TL in the next year. I personally cannot speak highly enough about these. If you plan on keeping your car for a year or more and need new bushings, DO IT! If you are worried about a soft plush ride, you should get a Lexus...

Elegant TYPE S

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This seems like its just covering up the real problem causing the wandering feeling of the car because I can tell you .. I have replaced the LCA with OEM brand new ones and it still never handled like it did when it was new.. leading to me believe the source of the problem is either the subframe bushings or could it just be the body has developed too much flex over the years.

Don't get me wrong, I think i'm already sold on these bushings and will be my next investment because I do want better handling.

CrazyEights

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Going to be following this closesly, is anyone going to use aftermarket stuff? I don't think XLR8's engine mounts are to much more than the OEM ones listed.

Elegant TYPE S

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Causes too much cabin vibration. Stronger yes but tradeoff is there.

TheDr9669

I did have my front sub-frame bushings replaced when I had my transmission rebuilt. That was almost 70k miles ago. I do not remember noticing a difference in handling when they were replaced. I just remember my Honda guy telling me they were looking rough and it would be prudent to replace them since it was all coming down anyways. I had my transmission rebuilt at about 230,000 miles.

nfnsquared

Yeah, I didn't notice much of a difference either, but mine were not torn badly.

Heeltoe sells these also:

http://www.heeltoeauto.com/fastline-...x-tl-tl-s.html

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=801

MacKenzie001 installed these and likes them:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=801

Follow up review after a Canadian winter:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=53

I tend to agree, replacing the LCA bushings with new OEM bushings probably won't make a noticeable difference...The Fastline PCI bushings are a different story...