DeathMetal

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ALRIGHT, so we’re getting pretty close to the light at the end of the tunnel. I have managed to get the dealership to bend to $26,265 for a 2006 Black TL Base, 6MT, Nav, CPO (100k warranty) with the A-Spec kit. This is the price, out the door (taxes, tags, and all other associated BS).

It's a 2006 with 33k on the odo.

What do you think?

TheChamp531

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Personally I don't think that is a good price. 2006 Acura TL go for like 16,000 without taxes and fees, but probably only cost about 18k out the door. A SPEC kit cost 800$ and extra warranty cost about $1400, so the price should be near 20,000 just imo. You're getting ripped at least 3k

TheChamp531

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You need to learn some buying tactics, Just say ask for 22,000 (now don't get out of hand and say 10,000) out the door and state KBB and other websites prove that the 26,000 is outrageously too much. If they don't agree on the price just leave like you're pissed. 100$ they agree to your deal when you leave or when you left your number and call back in a day or so. If that doesn't work, report to GM and say salesman was not cooperative and he'll personally do the deal for you and get you the price or even better one. Thats how I do it, got a 09 Accord EX-L for cousin for only 25,500 which MSRP is like 29k. Most dealership make enough money to sustain there business. Some deals they get the exact money they want, some they cheat to get more, and some of the smart people will learn that they can get it cheaper.

TheChamp531

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Oh yeah with 26,000 I would rather get a 07 or 08 TL-S with like 15-30k miles. You can find those easily via cars.com and autotrader just make sure to carfax and test drive car as long as you like. Make sure you're not getting cheated also. Good luck!

DeathMetal

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So let's assume we go by your thinking, Champ. KBB gives us
KBB: $22,575
Warranty: $1,400
Kit: $800

...this brings us to $24,775.

Now, let's add NJ taxes at 7%

(1.07)(24,775)= $26,509.

The dealer is asking for $26, 265 out the door, so essentially they are eating all dealer fees and asking for about $300 below KBB.

Wow. Now that I actually look at it in this light, I'm getting this for a pretty damn good deal.

So do I need to learn buying tactics or does someone else need to learn how to read?

TheChamp531

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Lol, I'm getting 21,000 on my kbb with my zip. I was just guessing because I got my TL with 30,000 miles for only 18k out the door.

KaMLuNg

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hey a good deal is all in the eyes of the beholder... as much as the numbers crunch, you also need to realize too that with the market we are in, the dealers are probably hurting for sales too... so this gives you some buying power to push the envelope a bit... i think what the champ is saying is that you can always negotiate and remember buying a car is like a cat and mouse game... the warrantly price can always change depending who you get it from and when it is bought.. and the ASPEC kit they get much cheaper than wholesale...

are you in North NJ??? which dealer you going to??? i bought my 3rd gen brand new for under invoice... before TTL

to me $300 below KBB is not a great deal.. yes it is a deal but then again i am a cheap bastard that wants only the best deals..

TheChamp531

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You can easily lower KBB price by the way, and get the Type-S 2007

KaMLuNg

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when i tried to trade in my car, the car was immaculate, but the dealer said that no USED car can be rated excellent condition because it is USED... so they try to give mee 'GOOD' rating price... so take this and do it back to them...

not sure if you factoring this into your KBB retrieve OP...

Cecilt

Edmunds is where I go for values. For VA that car is $22,200 so KBB is close. I would not add anything for the ASPEC. Any add-ons rarely bring more money on a car once the original owner sells it. The cost is borne by the person who did the mod. Therefore, I would feel comfortable in negotiating at least $500 off this price. I traded an '06 TL, nav, 6 speed with 36k miles and they gave me $21k for it in late November. They listed it for $23,900 after certifying it which meant 4 tires and probably brakes were put on it and the extra 12 month/12k mile warranty. It sold within 1 week and had 2 buyers fighting for it. I assume they got full asking price or darn close to it. I have not heard of Acura certifying cars to 100k. Is this an Acura Certification or an third party warranty? I would question this. Was the car Acura Certified. If so, ask them for exactly what they did to certify the car. These are costs they ate before selling to you. Just my 2 cents.

KaMLuNg

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i would assume it is an extended warranty?

DeathMetal

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I think I am going to ask if he can go lower than this...although I am not certain as to how low I can go, admittedly, I suck at this.

I live in NJ; the dealer is in MD.

No, I wasn't...excellent point.


As do I! That's why I'm posting here. This forum is really well laid out and I have been thoroughly impressed with the activity on here. I still am on my Maxima forums all the time and held that as the 'gold standard', and suffice to say, I hope to be joining you soon!

Thanks again for all of the advice, guys...I sincerely appreciate it.

tgt

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Six Sigma - per the other posters, I agree that it's certainly too much. When looking at the KBB values, many (including myself) are purchasing for trade in value (or less). It's a buyer's market, take advantage of it!

Hope that helps,
-tgt

substitute

So it's not even local? Keep looking. You can't really even check it out without committing too much effort -- almost like committing to buy.

The price is just too high for an '06 with over 30k miles, little warranty left, and assuming it's not certified (since you're talking about buying an extended warranty.)

KaMLuNg

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have you tried shopping around for local dealers??? since this dealer is in MD, most of your correspondence have prob been through the phone, so there is a possibility that they may not take you seriously... it is much different when you are in the showroom looking at the car very interested... they won't let you walk as easily as if you are on the phone... the same way they won't give you as good a deal since you are already there and can potentially sign for the car...

if you want, i can call the dealership i bought my car at for you and send you to that salesman... he really helped me out... gave me top dollar for my trade plus worked out a great deal...

cotmfk

When I was shopping for TL's a little bit ago (maybe three months now?), one I looked at was at an Acura dealership. They did state that since the car was certified, it came with a warranty to 100k miles.

paz840

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definitly walk...you can do much better

Fireguy0826

This is how i do it when it comes to KBB. I also check NADA and which ever has the lOWEST thats whati bring into them to start my haggling.
NADA- $24,200+1400+800 = $26400
Trade-in clean- 21,175

KBB- Retail- $21,975 + 1400 + 800 = $24,175
Trade in - 17,375

Per KBB this is what i would ask in my zip 20175
$21,875- thats trade in with the 2200 in extras + retail with extras / by 2.
Per NADA- $24,997.

So in my area i would go with KBB. It does not always work, also look at the market value of the car in your area. Find 5 cars with similar miles and year and take an average of what there asking for it.

This kind of plan worked for me when i bought my 06 jetta GLI, they wannted 21k w/ 33k and i got it for 16.9 before taxs etc....

plus you know damn well they did not give full trade-in..in most cases anyways!

good luck !

Fireguy0826

....and sorry i forgot to add, lets say they did give them full vaule for a trade in, even with your asking price, there still + $3100...w/ the warranty included..

Cecilt

I believe that Acura certifies the powertrain to 100k but the basic bumper to bumper is extended an additional 12 months/12k miles.

mmade22

Keep shopping. Type-S all the way if you plan on spending that kind of scratch.

tiredandhungry67

your crazy if you pay 27K for a 2 year old TL
get yourself a type S

DeathMetal

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Yes, you are absolutely correct.

REALLY. The car is certified - Acura CPO, to be precise.

True. I might have to take the trip down there in order to get this moving a bit better. The only problem here is that I am looking SPECIFICALLY for a B92P with 6-spd & nav CPO. From everything I have seen/read, I'd be a fool not to get one with it.

if you want, i can call the dealership i bought my car at for you and send you to that salesman... he really helped me out... gave me top dollar for my trade plus worked out a great deal...[/QUOTE]

That'd be great, I really appreciate it.

...and that's what I'm going to do. I am going to start pitting dealers against one another now that I have a baseline to work from.

Thanks again for all the help, fellas...looks like it's back to the pavement

DeathMetal

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Damn, so nice being on an ACTIVE forum for a change

bdogg77

i know when i was looking for my TL, i wanted to get the first one i saw. After waiting for about a month, i found the one i really wanted and i was happy that i had waited on a better deal. I you remain patient, u WILL get the one you want for the right price.....good luck and repost on the one you get.

TheChamp531

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Good luck in your buy, dont get ripped off and go TL-s if you have 26-27k to spend.

omelet1978

RUN THE F!@# OUT OF THERE DON'T WALK!!! I just bought a 2005 TL with Nav at 55,000 miles for $15,500. You can do much better. I don't believe 22 thousand miles and 1 year difference are worth $10k. The harsh truth is we are in a recession so dealerships are desperate to move cars...

Also, I doubt the A-Spec kit is going to be worth much if anything when it comes to re-sale value. I think there is a set price range for used vehicles and extras like that don't mean anything. It's kind of like doing massive upgrades to your "starter" house. It will look nice, but people aren't going to pay thousands extra for it...

Good luck. I used the internet managers to get the best price.

DeathMetal

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If you don't mind me asking, how in the hell did you pull that off? Where did you get it from?

On a side note, the A-Spec kit is for ME...I really don't give a hoot if it does or does not add to resale.

whudini3000

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KBB is overrated/overpriced NADA is a great guide... but always check the True market value for your area! www.edmunds.com You will get a better deal! Appraise Click Here

TheChamp531

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I'll sell you my NBP with A SPEC coming soon for 20k with only 50k miles

FreedomEagle50

there is an 07 type-s out here in socal going for 26k with 22,000 miles on it and that's a year newer, a few lower miles and a type-s. and that price isn't with talking them down or anything yet.

fireman252525

I bought a 2004 SSM TL about 3 months ago with 42,000 miles for $16,000 out the door and shelled out $1,000 for a btb warranty from route 66. In my opinion it's too much!! Try and remember that dealer offer you auction wholesale for trades... so assume that the bought the car at auction from a lease return they were probably 2-3K under KBB trade-in!! They are trying to bait you with the extras that are on the car that they wouldn't give you money for if you were trade the car!!

miker_types

WERD, im picking up my 2007 KBP type-s on monday, for 24,500 20,045 miles. Private dealer though. You can do much better, dont let them try and get you with all the A-Spec talk, you can always add that on later.... Good Luck though!

DeathMetal

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Thanks, guys. I was up until 3am this morning e-mailing 7 different sellers with offers, one's bound to be able to make the numbers work. I modded the SHIT out of my Maxima, and while I'm not going to go nearly as overboard, I already have a full EXCEL file with my plans for the TL.

Only thing that sucks now is that I have to wait until Monday to hear from the sellers!

MR1

Patience is your friend. You are probably not going to get the best price in history and that's OK. Just continue to do your homework to make sure that you don't get screwed like you were trying to do. Take the time to get good financing together if you are not paying cash.

The market sucks for sellers so a good deal will surface in time.

omelet1978

I went on cars.com/autotrader/ebay/craiglist and just started emailing dealerships again and again...It takes some time and effort, but it helped me get a good price like that.

Be careful if you have it shipped though. I picked up my car yesterday and the leather looked pretty faded, there was no keyfob remote, and it smelled like someone had smoked in there.

I'm pretty pissed off to be honest, so i'll be calling/yelling at the dealership tomorrow. I can get rid of the smoke smell by having it detailed though fortunately...

Majofo

SSBB.. seems like you've been in the market for a while.

Bottom line.. you found the car you want.. and besides the price being overinflated.. the deal sounds good.

What you should decide is...

• Can I afford this car if I lose my job?
• Will I regret buying this car if in 1 month I find a very similar TL that is $5k less?

Other than that I say find another NBP 6M/T w/ Nav and same amount of miles at a lower price. Try to use it as a bargaining chip and say I found this one online.. will you match? Also if the warranty is only with their dealership.. nevermind.. make sure it is American Honda Warranty to 100k miles at any dealership in N. America.

Don't fall for any pressure tactic they may try to pull. To be honest.. the dealership is going to make around $8k to $10k on that sale if you buy it for $26.3. A member said for that price get a Type-S.. they're right for $27k you should be able to pick up an '07 Type-S.

DeathMetal

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DEAL IS DONE!

Independent Dealer
2006
$20,500
30,700miles
Black on Black
6MT
Nav
1 owner from lease, all maintenance records available from Acura

Now, I know some might say, "Too Much"...to which I can honestly respond, "I'm not so sure about that"

I spent the better part of this past weekend making a master file of all such cars (Black/Black/6MT/Nav) on the East Coast, and 4 of the 11 sold by Monday morning; the rest wanted anywhere from $3k to $5k more. These cars FLY out of the dealerships here, and I am quite happy with the deal.

For anyone else is the market for a B29P w/ 6MT Nav, my advice is to haggle, but DON'T shoot yourself in the foot - if you're in the NJ area you will not have a ton of room to haggle.

FINALLY. It's done, and I can get some rest.

RC51Ryder

Congrats and enjoy.

Majofo

Congrats and welcome to the club!.. btw.. that is an excellent price! kudos.