BaneDroid

Hey what's up guys.

I was just curious about these brembo ceramic brake pads and how good they were. They showed up on tire rack, http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brake...ModClar=Type-S
And eBay New 07 08 Acura TL Type s Brembo Ceramic Front Brake Pads 45022 Sep A60 | eBay.





Thanks in advance!!

DaeHanMeenGuk

These were the OEM pads that Acura would fit the 6MT TLs from 04-06 and all the Type-S models from 07-08 (both 6MT and 5AT).

Personally, I thought they were alright. Other members here have opted to use other brands (Stoptech, Autozone Duralast Gold, etc.)

paperboy42190

iTrader: (7)

it's the exact same pad as oem except without the markup since you are buying it directly from a brembo retailer. the only difference is the color of the shim.

I personally like oem pads because they have a good bite, dont squeak, and is good enough to handle spirited driving. I've tried aftermarkets like stoptech and racingbrake et300. Stoptechs were decent, very close to oem, but I had trouble with vibrations due to constantly leaving pad deposits on the rotor. The et300's are okay, and dust less than oem, but you sacrifice a lot of the bite. When they are cold it takes a very firm press on the pedal to stop. I recently went back to OEM. The dusting is definitely on the high side, but it's worth it in my opinion.

BaneDroid

Interesting, thanks for the info. I like the OEM pads too, just not that dealer price, but for this price it ain't that bad.

Boogsephine

The dusting of the OEM Brembo pads are definitely on the high side but as you said they do the job and no squeaking at all. I guess it gives me more of a reason to clean the car more often.

Kaiii

iTrader: (1)

i liked them just as much as my current stoptech pads in terms of performance. like the other guys said just note that they'll dust a lot. since i repainted my front calipers red, it's a lot more noticeable when it gets dirty compared to black, so i opted for a pad that produced less dust.

JD TL-S

iTrader: (1)

Great Info
Thankyou

romeotl3

bump keeping this for the info about time to do my brakes

winkyyy

I never tried these before but I had the Rotora Ceramic brakes and the StopTech Street Performance Pads. IMO, ceramics dust a lot less but they're stopping distance is a lot longer than the Semi-Metallic Pads.

ExcelerateRep

When someone asks me if they should go with Brembo or Stoptech, I typically recommend Stoptech. The pad performance difference is negligible between the two, with the main difference being the price. The Stoptechs are affordable, and from our experience also dust less.
StopTech Brake Pads - Street Performance - Excelerate Performance - Japanese and European Performance Specialists!!

WDPanda

Running Raybestos Advanced Tech rotors + Akebono Street Performance (ASP)
Love them!

876_CGP_TSX

anybody actually installed Brembo P28059N Pads on their TLS / TL 6 Speed ?


Looking to do my brakes shortly and want to know how good these are in comparison to the OEM. I notice the Brembo P28059N are ceramic while OEM Brembos are semi metallic. Will this greatly affect performance..... stopping distance?

GreenSpades

I just bought Duralast Gold Max Ceramic and they honestly look a lot like the stock Brembo ones in that link. Main differences I could tell were no slit in the middles and they only have one side cut in on an angle. The shims also were slightly different. Don't think they will perform much differently though. The durmasts were $65 and I had to order them, couldn't find them in store anymore. Which was weird though because I saw a lot of people recommend them on here.

maknwar

Semi metallic = more bite, more dust
Ceramic = less bite, less dust

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Steven Bell

iTrader: (2)

^^^ This.....

94eg!

These pads DEFINITELY aren't the same as the OEM Honda pads. The leading edge chamfer was made shallower on OEM (modified to reduce noise), the shim design is different on OEM (modified to reduce noise) and the pad compound is obviously different too.

brembo aftermarket ceramic pads


oem pads

oem shim

Spaceghostdreew

If you're going to go aftermarket, get a set of EBC street pads.

Yvuru

+1

I have used the OEM Brembos, Duralast CMAX Gold, Stoptech Street Performance, and now the Akebono Street Performance.

In my own experience the OEM Brembos dust way too much but offers good performance. The Duralast CMAX Gold can't take any form of abuse or hard driving however the dust is minimal. The Stoptechs offer good performance but dust too much, only had them for 3 weeks before changing them. The Akebono Street Performance offers the best of both worlds in terms of dust and performance.

NSeX

are there any empirical tests for stopping power between respective pads?

94eg!

LOL @ stopping power.

Tires alone provide the "stopping power". The pads themselves provide many other things.

NSeX

well with my nitto nt01s on for autox, i'd still kinda be interesting in initial bite with cold brakes.

and while you cant make up with better pads with crap tires, i wouldnt say tires ALONE provide the stopping power. if that were the case there wouldnt be different types of brake compound.

94eg!

Different pad options change many aspects of the braking system. Overall stopping power is not really one of them.

Theses are some that come to mind:
- Dusting
- Noise
- Longevity
- Response
- Operating temperature range
- Friction level
- Front/Rear bias

None of those things will effect the brake torque available where the rubber meets the road. Even the most basic OEM NAO/Iron brake setup will be able to lock up the NT01s.

I guess arguably the Bias adjustment can decrease the overall stopping distance as it allows the tires brake torque to be applied more effectively than the OEM setup. Though that's questionable on a car like the TL that's equipped with EBD (electronic brake distribution) which effectively adjusts f/r bias electronically. There is a chance that altering friction coefficient front-vs-rear might actually reduce the effectiveness of such a system.

Even still, as far as bias is concerned, it's the tires that are the limiting factor.

NSeX

friction level , response, and operating temp are directly related to stopping power and/or distance. the faster you get to maximum braking force before lock up / ABS the faster you will stop.

94eg!

That is a silly claim and has never once been backed up by testing. It's the reason why people install big brake kits and have worse braking performance than stock.

Hitting ABS instantly is not a problem with any modern bone stock brake system.
- Friction levels are changed to adjust bias when a bias adjusting device is prohibited (ie loose vs stable).
- Temp range is changed to adjust to different operating conditions while providing repeatablitiy (ie Street vs Track)
- Response is adjusted for "feel".

None of those elements will impact your stopping distance with the possible exception of a brake bias adjustment. And even that is about optimizing the tires for the conditions.

You can read all about it here: White Paper - Brake Bias and Performance- Why Brake Balance Matters

DMZ

My vote here is for the Wagner Thermo-Quiet Semi-Metallics. More than adequate stopping power, no noise, and barely any dust. Only about $25 for the set from rockauto. After 11 years and having tried many different pads, they're what I use and I swear by them!
.
.

Rana99

Do you have part numbers for the Akebono pads you used?
Do they every make any noise?

Yvuru

I got the pads off tirerack but the brembo ones look like they are back order. No they do not make noise and brake well, would buy again.

Front Brembo Part# ASP1001
Rear Part# ASP536

This is for the Akebono performance line (yellow box)

JTYankFan

iTrader: (3)

So Steven, you are saying to skip the Brembo blank rotors and pads and go with the Stoptech package that Excelerate has? This is spoken from experience? It's time for me to do my brakes.

truonghthe

Go with Centric (same company made StopTech rotor) for cheaper price as pads go you have to decide for yourself good bite will have alot of dust, less dust mean intitial bites won't felt as good. This is my experience through circuit racing, racing pads had horrible noise and dust but on the good side once they bite you can feel the brake is working hard. You can choose the right balance for yourself.

Rana99

Thanks!

I usually use the stock rotors from Acura but last time I bought StopTech SportStop Drilled Rotors and used them with the Brembo P28059N pads.

They had great bite, less dust than stock set-up but made noise sometimes when cold and always after some spirited driving. The sound is almost like a metal to metal grinding right as you come to a stop for maybe the last 10ft or so.

First time I heard it I thought something was wrong but didn't find anything. The next day everything was fine and no sound but started again after getting hot. It was ongoing like this ... I should have changed them sooner but I go though pads quick enough.

Its been a year and the pads need to be replaced now.

I think I might try either the stock OEM Brembo semi metalic pads or the Akebono performance line you use.

Anyone have any recommendations for pads to use with StopTech SportStop Drilled Rotors?

Yvuru

Does it sound like this?

Rana99

wow ... thats horrible ... i had sounds like that from Hawk pads I used once. Quickly switched back to Oem Acura pads after that experience.

The ones I have now (Brembo P28059N) have a light squeel in the morning when cold and a hard grinding sound when hot. Kinda like when your pads are down to the metal.

I'm torn between trying the Akebonos and OEM Acura Brembo pads at this point.

I think others will agree there's no comparison in terms of bite and no sounds of stock OEM Acura Brembo pads ... dust is the only downside which isn't even that big of a problem. Gives me a reason give it a wash.

Just tired of paying $195 cdn at the dealer.

JTYankFan

iTrader: (3)

I just want to say I just ordered the brake package from you guys offered for Acurazine members. The shipped price was better than the major wheel, tire, and brake company and everything arrived extremely quickly. Thanks a bunch!

WDPanda

I had the original Brembo rotors/pads when I got the car. When I got the Akebono Street Performance pads, I couldn't tell the difference aside from insanely clean wheels. It seems it will satisfy your concern with less dust yet it also has the same amount of bite and resistance to fade from hard use. I bedded them again after about 30,000 KM to make sure the rotor face stays nicely coated since I barely use the brakes when crusing/traffic. I also wanted to test the resistance to fade from repeated 120kph to 10kph stops. It seems these ceramic pads are a bit tough on rotors and may not allow for a reuse of rotors at end of life. Small price to pay and I prefer new fresh set everytime anyway. The Akebono Street performance line also comes nicely manufactured and coated in a rust protective coating.
As for the rotor, the Raybestos Advanced tech is holding good. It came sealed in a thick plastic sprayed with anti corrosive oil and the rotor itself is painted black at non contact surfaces. 1 year running and I still think they're amazing. It also took a good beating when I had a wheel unbalanced/tie rod/ball joint issue and caused massive shaking through the entire car/steering wheel/brake pedal pulse.
A personal opinion is to stay far away from slotted or drilled rotors. They are useless for street use, don't look as good after a few weeks once the rust sets into the edges of the slots or drilled holes. They are also susceptible to cracking under heavy use and if anything, has less surface area for contact.

alum04org

It is time for front pads on our 2008 TL-S, now with 60 K miles.
Thinking after reading your feedback I will order the StopTech pads as suggested. Any discount code applicable?


TIA.

ExcelerateRep

Thank you for your business! We're glad you're enjoying your Stoptech brake system!

We don't have any promo codes for our brake packages right now but if you send me a PM with which package you'd like and your zip code, I'll see what I can do to get your shipping down.

Xelnaga

Good mention. I installed the stop tech brakes I bought from XLR8 and those suckers dust so much! Good braking feel and bite though!

mvp2765

iTrader: (1)

I have stoptech BBK on my Z, and the pads dust like crazy...They do stop amazing tho when heated up.

alum04org

Ordered this past Monday evening from your site, paid by p*ypal, and arrived Wednesday afternoon. THAT is what I call "service"! Thank you - will maybe poke back in here after they are installed and seated a bit.

alum04org

Installed new pads (front only - rears already OEM replaced) today. Getting seated now. 3 by 3 trans fluid again done (2nd), L-O-F, and replaced air filter after 14-17 K miles.

Mileage 60666 on '08 TL-S.

Now, more importantly, had my trusted mechanic check each spark plug. # 4 and 5 both found to be at 4 lb/ft. Others at 18 +/- lb/ft (normal). Good thing we checked!