reddog15

how quickly can e-85 gas eat paint off of a vehicle

justnspace

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ethanol is just alcohol made from corn and other grains.
gasoline is what probably damages paint and I think it happens over time....like if you constantly spill gasoline on paint, then the clear coat will eventually get damaged and cloudy....which then could eat away at the color paint..

01acls

E85 is more corrosive than gasoline that's why Flex Fuel cars was implemented. I'm not sure how much more corrosive E85 is than gasoline but E85 will eat paint faster than gasoline. Just keep that in mind when you spill E85 on paint.

justnspace

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thanks for correcting me!!

nfnsquared

Everything I've read says E85 is not much more corrosive than gas. You'd probably have to have repeated, prolonged exposure of your paint to E85 to cause permanent damage.

But E85 shouldn't be anywhere near your 3G TL!!

justnspace

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^I didnt have first hand experience, but I googled just for this thread....and EVERYTHING said...prolonged repeat exposure to E85 will eat through the clear coat, EVENTUALLy

Jackass

But the real question here is.....why would E-85 be anywhere near a 3G TL?

Waffeey

Flex fuel was implemented because E85 is more corrosive than gasoline...?

01acls

"Flex Fuel cars"

Waffeey

Flex fuel/Flex fuel cars... same thing. I'd like you to explain your theory on flex fuel cars being implemented because their fuel is more corrosive.

01acls

The Flex Fuel cars are basically the same car with its twin non flex fuel car with the exception of the upgraded fuel system to handle E85. Flex Fuel cars can use both E85 and standard gasoline. Non flex fuel cas are not authorized to use E85. End of story.

horseshoez

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Many (most, all?) Flex Fuel engines also have higher flow rate fuel injectors to enable the richer mixture necessary when running E-85.

01acls

Higher fuel pressure is not a game changer. There are plenty of high performance engines using higher fuel pressures on standard gasoline without issues.

01acls

That are not authorized to use E85.
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horseshoez

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Ummm, I never said anything about higher fuel pressure, I said E-85 engines have higher flow rate fuel injectors.

01acls

OK my bad.

You cannot have higher flow rate without higher pressure. Likewise, there are plenty of engines running high flow rates that are still not authorized to use E85.

You cannot just increase the fuel volume and use E85 without issues in the long term.

It's the fuel E85 that's more corrosive than standard gasoline is the game changer.

horseshoez

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Incorrect, flow rates are a function of both pressure and orifice size. Leave the pressure alone and increase the orifice size(s), and the flow through the fuel injectors changes.

01acls

Not necessarily, only if the pressure is high enough to compensate for the larger orifice size.

horseshoez

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Okay, now this discussion is just getting silly. Modern fuel injection systems run a regulated pressure; the pump is more than capable of compensating for the higher flow rate injectors. That said, many manufacturers also specify a different fuel pump, although whether that is because of the corrosive nature of E-85 or the need for higher flow from the pump, or both, I haven't done enough research to say which manufacturers do which. Long story short, the pressure in modern fuel injection systems remains stable regardless of whether the engine is idling or running at WOT up near redline.

01acls

HowStuffWorks

horseshoez

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And your point is?

01acls

horseshoez

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I think that has been well established; I ask again, what's your point?

01acls

My point is E85 is more corrosive the standard gasoline. Anyone that spills E85 on their paint need to clean it off of their car paint ASAP.

ericwudi0830

Why do you ask reddog?

01acls

What does that have to do with OP question... "E-85 gas how quickly can e-85 gas eat paint off of a vehicle"

What's your point?

horseshoez

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This was established as well many posts back.

horseshoez

iTrader: (2)

Following thread creep, sent further astray by your posts with (initially) incomplete and misleading information.

Time to give it up, we all know E-85 is corrosive, and we all know that the fuel systems, fuel pump, lines, injectors, and other components are somewhat different between two otherwise identical cars, one FlexFuel and one not.

01acls

It's only misleading if you can't keep up and I don't have anymore time to draw you pictures.
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horseshoez

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Ahhh, I see you're a legend in your own mind. I'm done here.

01acls

Your info is incorrect...

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-p...cement-929421/

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-...ission-943471/

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-tl-p...nt-diy-951935/