Disturbing - Consumer Reports Take On The New Acura Sedans
03-01-2016, 01:08 PM
#41
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Have you see the prices of these bigger, badder Lexus'?
I'm guessing it's why you're on an Acura forum
I'm guessing it's why you're on an Acura forum
03-01-2016, 01:17 PM
#42
2006 NBP TL MT6/ 02TL-S
I know they're higher priced, the point was that Lexus is selling plenty of them at that price, so why doesn't Acura take a stab at it on a few models 
03-01-2016, 01:21 PM
#43
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The same reason that Acura sells under 1500 RLXs every year. They have zero brand recognition when it comes to anything north of 50k. Acura can build them all day long, doesn't mean anyone will buy.
It was decades before Lexus came out with the F line. They built their name from the ground up before jumping into the performance market. What's Acura going to rely on? "We have, at best, average reliability and our cars are the definition of vanilla. Give us all your money!!"
It was decades before Lexus came out with the F line. They built their name from the ground up before jumping into the performance market. What's Acura going to rely on? "We have, at best, average reliability and our cars are the definition of vanilla. Give us all your money!!"
03-01-2016, 03:49 PM
#44
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The same reason that Acura sells under 1500 RLXs every year. They have zero brand recognition when it comes to anything north of 50k. Acura can build them all day long, doesn't mean anyone will buy.
It was decades before Lexus came out with the F line. They built their name from the ground up before jumping into the performance market. What's Acura going to rely on? "We have, at best, average reliability and our cars are the definition of vanilla. Give us all your money!!"
It was decades before Lexus came out with the F line. They built their name from the ground up before jumping into the performance market. What's Acura going to rely on? "We have, at best, average reliability and our cars are the definition of vanilla. Give us all your money!!"
03-01-2016, 03:54 PM
#45
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Numbers don't lie. Acura and Honda were reliable. They no longer are. Sorry, but it's true.
You don't have execs step down due to poor reliability, get hammered on initial quality reports and get hammered for extensive and well documented issues on older models for nothing.
I WISH they still had the reliability game in their pocket. I really do. Hondas/Acura is still known for their reliability, like Hyundai is known for building the world's shittiest cars. Neither are really true, but the past is something hard to shake.
You don't have execs step down due to poor reliability, get hammered on initial quality reports and get hammered for extensive and well documented issues on older models for nothing.
I WISH they still had the reliability game in their pocket. I really do. Hondas/Acura is still known for their reliability, like Hyundai is known for building the world's shittiest cars. Neither are really true, but the past is something hard to shake.
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03-01-2016, 03:58 PM
#46
Drifting
Yeah, I guess you're right, I just pulled out the CR the cars are in. the RDX and MDX do well but the cars suck. That's american car shit, put out new models and they fall apart.
03-01-2016, 05:28 PM
#47
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03-01-2016, 09:09 PM
#48
There used to be a time when you could say that every Acura was at least as good as an Accord or Civic. What's amazing nowadays is how badly Acura has botched up Accord quality in the conversion to Acura sedans.
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03-01-2016, 10:17 PM
#49
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Acura needs a car with a 40/60 split rear seat! lol. I've seen articles that points to some hope within Honda that will hopefully spill into Acura:
EXCLUSIVE-Honda CEO to shift gears, distance sales teams from car design process - sources
We live in a world where cars are more about the technology and less about the driving experience. Face it, most kids now days don't even care to get a drivers license. Now if there was a twin turbo V6 TLX with AWD, Acura would have my attention.
EXCLUSIVE-Honda CEO to shift gears, distance sales teams from car design process - sources
We live in a world where cars are more about the technology and less about the driving experience. Face it, most kids now days don't even care to get a drivers license. Now if there was a twin turbo V6 TLX with AWD, Acura would have my attention.
03-01-2016, 10:34 PM
#50
Look at the current issue of Consumer Reports. Hondas are still reliable, but don't lump Acura in with Honda, please!
There used to be a time when you could say that every Acura was at least as good as an Accord or Civic. What's amazing nowadays is how badly Acura has botched up Accord quality in the conversion to Acura sedans.
There used to be a time when you could say that every Acura was at least as good as an Accord or Civic. What's amazing nowadays is how badly Acura has botched up Accord quality in the conversion to Acura sedans.
Acura needs a car with a 40/60 split rear seat! lol. I've seen articles that points to some hope within Honda that will hopefully spill into Acura:
EXCLUSIVE-Honda CEO to shift gears, distance sales teams from car design process - sources
We live in a world where cars are more about the technology and less about the driving experience. Face it, most kids now days don't even care to get a drivers license. Now if there was a twin turbo V6 TLX with AWD, Acura would have my attention.
EXCLUSIVE-Honda CEO to shift gears, distance sales teams from car design process - sources
We live in a world where cars are more about the technology and less about the driving experience. Face it, most kids now days don't even care to get a drivers license. Now if there was a twin turbo V6 TLX with AWD, Acura would have my attention.
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03-01-2016, 10:37 PM
#51
Acura not only suffered from years of ugly and disappointing cars, it also fails to differentiate from Honda. They are too similar and Acura doesn't have the perceived prestige and brand cache that true luxury brands have.
03-02-2016, 09:44 AM
#53
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Back when Acura was starting out and trying to make a big impact as separate division, their cars may have been based loosely on their Honda counterparts but we're also very different. An early 90s Vigor or legend was a different car all its own.
True- I can't believe how many kids in HS could really care less about getting a license. I was counting down the days
True- I can't believe how many kids in HS could really care less about getting a license. I was counting down the days
03-02-2016, 10:37 AM
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Look at the current issue of Consumer Reports. Hondas are still reliable, but don't lump Acura in with Honda, please!
There used to be a time when you could say that every Acura was at least as good as an Accord or Civic. What's amazing nowadays is how badly Acura has botched up Accord quality in the conversion to Acura sedans.
There used to be a time when you could say that every Acura was at least as good as an Accord or Civic. What's amazing nowadays is how badly Acura has botched up Accord quality in the conversion to Acura sedans.
This is really a Honda issue going back over 30 years where the '82 Accord could take a 5 MPH impact while the '83 Accord (supposedly the same car) could not. Honda Motor Company bent to the public criticism that ensued,
This is a company that only makes things the way they really should when they have to, not because they want to compete with the marketplace.
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03-02-2016, 10:42 AM
#55
Drifting
Acura has long since gotten the attitude they can cut corners and get away without the public noticing. Goes all the way back to little things like the missing turn signal mirrors on the '04 TL while the models above and below DID had them. Somebody obviously screwed up at Acura since the first 3,000 '04 TL's produced had Turn Signal Mirrors listed on the window sticker while the cars came without. The ILX doesn't have them while the new Accord does. WTF is wrong with that picture?
This is really a Honda issue going back over 30 years where the '82 Accord could take a 5 MPH impact while the '83 Accord (supposedly the same car) could not. Honda Motor Company bent to the public criticism that ensued,
This is a company that only makes things the way they really should when they have to, not because they want to compete with the marketplace.
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This is really a Honda issue going back over 30 years where the '82 Accord could take a 5 MPH impact while the '83 Accord (supposedly the same car) could not. Honda Motor Company bent to the public criticism that ensued,
This is a company that only makes things the way they really should when they have to, not because they want to compete with the marketplace.
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03-02-2016, 10:45 AM
#57
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MOOOOM!!! WHERE'S MY DINNER?!?!
But seriously, getting your license at 16 was a right of passage here. If you didn't get it within a week of turning 16, people thought there was something seriously wrong with you
03-02-2016, 10:52 AM
#58
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The current Acura line up stinks, they cut all of the great models I can afford, I like the NSX but I would rather get a Z06 and save myself some money 
. They lost my interest, hopefully Acura management realizes they are off course via lost sales and get back on track before it's to late.
. They lost my interest, hopefully Acura management realizes they are off course via lost sales and get back on track before it's to late.
03-02-2016, 10:55 AM
#59
Drifting
Pfff.. my mom still drives me to comic book store. And she does my laundry.
MOOOOM!!! WHERE'S MY DINNER?!?!
But seriously, getting your license at 16 was a right of passage here. If you didn't get it within a week of turning 16, people thought there was something seriously wrong with you
MOOOOM!!! WHERE'S MY DINNER?!?!
But seriously, getting your license at 16 was a right of passage here. If you didn't get it within a week of turning 16, people thought there was something seriously wrong with you
MOOOOM, meatloaf! Fuck!
03-02-2016, 12:47 PM
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. He even doesn't want a newer car and wants to buy his own old Acura.
03-02-2016, 12:52 PM
#61
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The current Acura line up stinks, they cut all of the great models I can afford, I like the NSX but I would rather get a Z06 and save myself some money . They lost my interest, hopefully Acura management realizes they are off course via lost sales and get back on track before it's to late.
. They lost my interest, hopefully Acura management realizes they are off course via lost sales and get back on track before it's to late.
03-02-2016, 12:54 PM
#62
Drifting
I'm in central nj. Somewhat rural where I am at but also between two major cities. Idk, my nephew and niece couldn't be bothered to get their license. Both my neighbor's kids.. I hear it from coworkers about their kids. At least my son is anxious to get his later this year when it's his bday. I guess I've rubbed a little of my car crazy on him . He even doesn't want a newer car and wants to buy his own old Acura.
. He even doesn't want a newer car and wants to buy his own old Acura.
03-02-2016, 04:40 PM
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03-02-2016, 09:52 PM
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The idea of paying $54k for a FWD RLX is insane, along with the $60k MSRP for AWD.
At the AWD level you're getting into BMW M3 and C63 AMG territory. As far as driver experience goes I don't get how you could choose the Acura. Even something like a Chevy SS with 100+ more HP and RWD sounds better.
At the AWD level you're getting into BMW M3 and C63 AMG territory. As far as driver experience goes I don't get how you could choose the Acura. Even something like a Chevy SS with 100+ more HP and RWD sounds better.
03-02-2016, 10:11 PM
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The idea of paying $54k for a FWD RLX is insane, along with the $60k MSRP for AWD.
At the AWD level you're getting into BMW M3 and C63 AMG territory. As far as driver experience goes I don't get how you could choose the Acura. Even something like a Chevy SS with 100+ more HP and RWD sounds better.
At the AWD level you're getting into BMW M3 and C63 AMG territory. As far as driver experience goes I don't get how you could choose the Acura. Even something like a Chevy SS with 100+ more HP and RWD sounds better.
03-02-2016, 11:35 PM
#66
Agreed. The problem is that Acura isn't losing sales. If anything, their sales are growing. More and more people are fitting nicely into that segment of the market where they really don't give a shit about what they're driving, as long as it is a "luxury" car. Those who actually give a shit about cars, generally don't buy new Acuras.
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03-02-2016, 11:40 PM
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Well... Acura sedan sales aren't at record levels, but they are improving. I just can't fathom why
03-03-2016, 07:46 AM
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They started falling off since the 4G TL. I hate the ILX TLX and RLX
Lexus is killing them now.
surprisingly The new Accord sport is way hotter looking then the TLX.
I can give them some credit with the SUV cause the MDX just keeps getting
better every year.
Lexus is killing them now.
surprisingly The new Accord sport is way hotter looking then the TLX.
I can give them some credit with the SUV cause the MDX just keeps getting
better every year.
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03-03-2016, 12:40 PM
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Doesn't Honda want to compete against BMW, Audi, Lexus etc? Perhaps not with their current lineup. I was not aware that the new civic had the ts mirrors. I stand corrected. And yes,the 335 does have the side marker signals. Without looking, don't the front and rear signals on the TLX wrap around? I think they do, so if that's true, are ts mirrors necessary?
03-03-2016, 05:37 PM
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Doesn't Honda want to compete against BMW, Audi, Lexus etc? Perhaps not with their current lineup. I was not aware that the new civic had the ts mirrors. I stand corrected. And yes,the 335 does have the side marker signals. Without looking, don't the front and rear signals on the TLX wrap around? I think they do, so if that's true, are ts mirrors necessary?
And no, Honda thinks they have enough of their religious buyers so they feel they don't have to give a shit. Big mistake! Competition is only increasing.
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03-04-2016, 09:31 AM
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Yes, the TS mirrors are necessary because they may be the only way other drivers might know your intentions, particularly in heavy traffic/bumper to bumper situations where they can't necessarily see your front or rear. That's why they should be standard on every car now. I was surprised to see a 2016 Accord Sport model today that didn't have them.
And no, Honda thinks they have enough of their religious buyers so they feel they don't have to give a shit. Big mistake! Competition is only increasing.
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And no, Honda thinks they have enough of their religious buyers so they feel they don't have to give a shit. Big mistake! Competition is only increasing.
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03-04-2016, 09:50 AM
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I must be an outlier by caring more about the engine and drive train, than some blinky lights on my mirrors. I don't notice them whether they're there or not 
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03-04-2016, 10:11 AM
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Yes, the TS mirrors are necessary because they may be the only way other drivers might know your intentions, particularly in heavy traffic/bumper to bumper situations where they can't necessarily see your front or rear. That's why they should be standard on every car now. I was surprised to see a 2016 Accord Sport model today that didn't have them.
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BEAN COUNTER - Can we delete these useless turn signal lights on the side mirrors?
ENGINEER - This will decrease safety and is not recommended.
BEAN COUNTER - But will this show up in the crash test scores that the public will see?
ENGINEER - No, but, but, but...
BEAN COUNTER - Then get rid of it to save $0.02. This means big fat bonuses in our pockets.
ENGINEER - I object. You'll blame us when Consumer Reports subtracts a point from our ratings!
BEAN COUNTER - Shut up and be thankful that we have graced you with the gift of your next paycheck.
ENGINEER - Grrrrr, this company's going down the toilet
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03-04-2016, 11:48 AM
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You live in Colorado where the traffic jams likely come no where near the likes we have here in the NYC area. That's what makes the height of the signal lights on TS mirrors so important.
03-05-2016, 07:27 AM
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McDonalds really isn't anything that exciting 
03-05-2016, 11:53 AM
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I think Acura lost its soul when they stopped selling the NSX in 2006? I'm hoping they get their soul back this year when the new NSX comes out. I agree on all the comments- very perplexing how Japan's first car company to go with an upscale division has flamed out in many respects. The SUVs seem great compared to the cars.
I had grand intentions of getting a TLX when it was still a concept. Those intentions faded quickly when I actually checked out the car. I really hope Acura does a MAJOR mid model update- a hybrid system is not going to do much to sway me. I want a 250HP turbo 4 with AWD along with some interior/exterior refinements.
I had grand intentions of getting a TLX when it was still a concept. Those intentions faded quickly when I actually checked out the car. I really hope Acura does a MAJOR mid model update- a hybrid system is not going to do much to sway me. I want a 250HP turbo 4 with AWD along with some interior/exterior refinements.
03-05-2016, 11:59 AM
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I also want to travel to the moon and back, but unfortunately, I don't see that happening either.
03-05-2016, 02:13 PM
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^^^^ Dude---say the word.....Done!