View Poll Results: best brand of oil for tl
penzoil
13
6.60%
vaseline
19
9.64%
mobil
114
57.87%
other
51
25.89%
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Best brand of oil
05-05-2012, 11:04 AM
#2
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I use Mobil-1 5w-20. I don't see any reason to switch to 10w-30. Acura recommends 5w-20 for a reason 
Maybe switch to a high mileage 5w-20 after 75000 miles if you're concerned.
Maybe switch to a high mileage 5w-20 after 75000 miles if you're concerned.
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05-05-2012, 11:31 AM
#5
Drifting
I didn't realize Unilever was in the oil business with Vaseline? But you might be onto something: High Mileage vehicles could have 'Vaseline Intensive Care' and sporting drivers could use 'Vaseline Extra Strength'.
I think you mean Valvoline? You'll get more hits if you add Royal Purple, Castrol, and Redline
I think you mean Valvoline? You'll get more hits if you add Royal Purple, Castrol, and Redline
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05-05-2012, 07:19 PM
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I didn't realize Unilever was in the oil business with Vaseline? But you might be onto something: High Mileage vehicles could have 'Vaseline Intensive Care' and sporting drivers could use 'Vaseline Extra Strength'.
I think you mean Valvoline? You'll get more hits if you add Royal Purple, Castrol, and Redline
I think you mean Valvoline? You'll get more hits if you add Royal Purple, Castrol, and Redline
Wait. What!?!?!? I meant Vaseline; that's why I voted for it.
God Dammit!! How do I 'un-vote'?
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05-05-2012, 09:02 PM
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05-06-2012, 11:14 AM
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05-07-2012, 01:17 PM
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You guys keep paying those prices for RL. I'll pay half that and not notice a difference with M1. Lol
05-07-2012, 01:21 PM
#21
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with today's oil and following MID intervals, the best oil is whatever is on sale...
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05-07-2012, 02:02 PM
#24
Fwiw
Here's a little factory tested comparison of Redline vs Factory oil
Al- Pistons, 2ppm is normal if not on the higher side. Again, from the clean-up of soft wear metals or additive clash.
Cr- Rings. 1ppm is normal ring wear.
Fe- Valvetrain wear. It is still high since the engine is new, plus a lot of this may be leftover from the factory oil. In addition, there may be some additive clash taking place with the new installation of Redline. Lastly, Redline tends to clean up soft, residue wear metals from the engine which will go into the oil, and make elemental wear values appear high (making you think its wear), when it is simply residue wear metals being cleaned up.
Cu- Bearing overlay (special) in Honda V6. It tends to remain high due to the construction of the bearing overlay, but will drop to more normal levels by 50K.
Pb- Bearings. In this case, it went up because Redline reacts with the bearings. It is normal and will drop eventually.
Sn- Tin, from the bearings. In this case, it may be some slight bearing wear from hard driving or may simply be a lab error.
Ni- From wear at the intake valves, usually present when there is dirt ingestion.
Mo- Molybdenum Disulphide (I think). Known as MoDTC, its used as an anti-oxidant and a friction modifier. Rings also contain some Molybdenum, so 1ppm of this to show up in a MoDTC-free oil is ring wear, which is normal.
B, Ca, Mg, P, Zn- All oil additives. Remember that cheap spectro analysis like this will show that the additive packs are still present even after they are depleted and unable to do their job.
Si- Dirt, silicates (from antifreeze), or an anti-foam agent. In this case, its leftover dirt from the manufacturing process.
Na- Road Salt, Antifreeze, or additive. Mobil is starting to use this now as an additive in their oils, known as sodium sulphonate, and Redline contains small amounts of this.
K- Can be either antifreeze (most common), road salt, or an additive. Redline contains some of this in its additive pack, so this reading is normal.
Mn- Fuel additive, usually the presence of this shows that the rings have not fully seated, and fuel additives are burning past the rings. It should drop to zero unless you're using a fuel that contains a lot of it.
Ba-usually from some type of manufacturing contamination, it should drop to zero
Solids- Shows the amount of blow-by, reflects combustion efficiency, effectiveness of oil filter, and sludge precursors. 0.3% is high for this amount of miles, 0.2% is probably ideal. Its high mainly because new engines do have higher levels of blowby for the first 10K or so before the rings fully seat.
Flash- Shows the volatility of the oil, and it'll drop with contamination. Generally, the target is >400F to keep the oil in a "like new" condition.
TBN- Total Base Number. Reflects the amount of detergency left in the oil. Good indicator of an oil's reserve acid capability, but this is where it gets tricky. Redline's TBN will drop very rapidly, but a 0.0 cutoff with Blackstone Lab's scale is safe. Redline's Ester baseoils will still protect and have the ability to neutralize acids for many miles after the TBN may appear to be depleted. This is different for other oils, however. Remember that many people put too much emphasis on TBN as you must consider other factors as well, such as wear, flashpoint, solids, and viscosity.
Viscosity- Should stay at a solid 20wt, which it is right now. If the viscosity changes by more than one grade, it may be a change indicator.
Al- Pistons, 2ppm is normal if not on the higher side. Again, from the clean-up of soft wear metals or additive clash.
Cr- Rings. 1ppm is normal ring wear.
Fe- Valvetrain wear. It is still high since the engine is new, plus a lot of this may be leftover from the factory oil. In addition, there may be some additive clash taking place with the new installation of Redline. Lastly, Redline tends to clean up soft, residue wear metals from the engine which will go into the oil, and make elemental wear values appear high (making you think its wear), when it is simply residue wear metals being cleaned up.
Cu- Bearing overlay (special) in Honda V6. It tends to remain high due to the construction of the bearing overlay, but will drop to more normal levels by 50K.
Pb- Bearings. In this case, it went up because Redline reacts with the bearings. It is normal and will drop eventually.
Sn- Tin, from the bearings. In this case, it may be some slight bearing wear from hard driving or may simply be a lab error.
Ni- From wear at the intake valves, usually present when there is dirt ingestion.
Mo- Molybdenum Disulphide (I think). Known as MoDTC, its used as an anti-oxidant and a friction modifier. Rings also contain some Molybdenum, so 1ppm of this to show up in a MoDTC-free oil is ring wear, which is normal.
B, Ca, Mg, P, Zn- All oil additives. Remember that cheap spectro analysis like this will show that the additive packs are still present even after they are depleted and unable to do their job.
Si- Dirt, silicates (from antifreeze), or an anti-foam agent. In this case, its leftover dirt from the manufacturing process.
Na- Road Salt, Antifreeze, or additive. Mobil is starting to use this now as an additive in their oils, known as sodium sulphonate, and Redline contains small amounts of this.
K- Can be either antifreeze (most common), road salt, or an additive. Redline contains some of this in its additive pack, so this reading is normal.
Mn- Fuel additive, usually the presence of this shows that the rings have not fully seated, and fuel additives are burning past the rings. It should drop to zero unless you're using a fuel that contains a lot of it.
Ba-usually from some type of manufacturing contamination, it should drop to zero
Solids- Shows the amount of blow-by, reflects combustion efficiency, effectiveness of oil filter, and sludge precursors. 0.3% is high for this amount of miles, 0.2% is probably ideal. Its high mainly because new engines do have higher levels of blowby for the first 10K or so before the rings fully seat.
Flash- Shows the volatility of the oil, and it'll drop with contamination. Generally, the target is >400F to keep the oil in a "like new" condition.
TBN- Total Base Number. Reflects the amount of detergency left in the oil. Good indicator of an oil's reserve acid capability, but this is where it gets tricky. Redline's TBN will drop very rapidly, but a 0.0 cutoff with Blackstone Lab's scale is safe. Redline's Ester baseoils will still protect and have the ability to neutralize acids for many miles after the TBN may appear to be depleted. This is different for other oils, however. Remember that many people put too much emphasis on TBN as you must consider other factors as well, such as wear, flashpoint, solids, and viscosity.
Viscosity- Should stay at a solid 20wt, which it is right now. If the viscosity changes by more than one grade, it may be a change indicator.
05-07-2012, 02:02 PM
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^Climate? Purpose? Milage?
05-07-2012, 02:13 PM
#26
Race Director
05-07-2012, 09:00 PM
#27
2003 CL
Now, I'm doing the same for my CL.
No need to waste money on synthetic oil. It's just a marketing ploy to get you to spend more $$$$$$$$$.
05-07-2012, 09:43 PM
#29
I have always used valvoline and switched to the high milage blend at 87,000 miles. Still using a mineral based oil and change it every 4000 miles. I do not put hard miles on my car. No need for me to use synthetic.
05-07-2012, 11:32 PM
#31
+1.
Red Line oils are truly ester-based oils, with very high concentrations of esters. I challenge anybody to post any other oil that can boast the same...not saying they're not out there, but I challenge anyone to find 'em.
Having said that...if you're changing your oil per the MID, synthetic oil is unnecessary. Any dino oil you can find will do.
Red Line oils are truly ester-based oils, with very high concentrations of esters. I challenge anybody to post any other oil that can boast the same...not saying they're not out there, but I challenge anyone to find 'em.
Having said that...if you're changing your oil per the MID, synthetic oil is unnecessary. Any dino oil you can find will do.
05-08-2012, 08:28 AM
#32
I do not think these results are accurate.
- both tests should be using the same oil filters,
- then try altenste oils and take samples after the same amount (mileage) of driving and driving conditions.
I do think redline is better than conventional oils,
I'm a big fan if mobile 1, and castrol both full synthetics.
- both tests should be using the same oil filters,
- then try altenste oils and take samples after the same amount (mileage) of driving and driving conditions.
I do think redline is better than conventional oils,
I'm a big fan if mobile 1, and castrol both full synthetics.
Here's a little factory tested comparison of Redline vs Factory oil
Al- Pistons, 2ppm is normal if not on the higher side. Again, from the clean-up of soft wear metals or additive clash.
Cr- Rings. 1ppm is normal ring wear.
Fe- Valvetrain wear. It is still high since the engine is new, plus a lot of this may be leftover from the factory oil. In addition, there may be some additive clash taking place with the new installation of Redline. Lastly, Redline tends to clean up soft, residue wear metals from the engine which will go into the oil, and make elemental wear values appear high (making you think its wear), when it is simply residue wear metals being cleaned up.
Cu- Bearing overlay (special) in Honda V6. It tends to remain high due to the construction of the bearing overlay, but will drop to more normal levels by 50K.
Pb- Bearings. In this case, it went up because Redline reacts with the bearings. It is normal and will drop eventually.
Sn- Tin, from the bearings. In this case, it may be some slight bearing wear from hard driving or may simply be a lab error.
Ni- From wear at the intake valves, usually present when there is dirt ingestion.
Mo- Molybdenum Disulphide (I think). Known as MoDTC, its used as an anti-oxidant and a friction modifier. Rings also contain some Molybdenum, so 1ppm of this to show up in a MoDTC-free oil is ring wear, which is normal.
B, Ca, Mg, P, Zn- All oil additives. Remember that cheap spectro analysis like this will show that the additive packs are still present even after they are depleted and unable to do their job.
Si- Dirt, silicates (from antifreeze), or an anti-foam agent. In this case, its leftover dirt from the manufacturing process.
Na- Road Salt, Antifreeze, or additive. Mobil is starting to use this now as an additive in their oils, known as sodium sulphonate, and Redline contains small amounts of this.
K- Can be either antifreeze (most common), road salt, or an additive. Redline contains some of this in its additive pack, so this reading is normal.
Mn- Fuel additive, usually the presence of this shows that the rings have not fully seated, and fuel additives are burning past the rings. It should drop to zero unless you're using a fuel that contains a lot of it.
Ba-usually from some type of manufacturing contamination, it should drop to zero
Solids- Shows the amount of blow-by, reflects combustion efficiency, effectiveness of oil filter, and sludge precursors. 0.3% is high for this amount of miles, 0.2% is probably ideal. Its high mainly because new engines do have higher levels of blowby for the first 10K or so before the rings fully seat.
Flash- Shows the volatility of the oil, and it'll drop with contamination. Generally, the target is >400F to keep the oil in a "like new" condition.
TBN- Total Base Number. Reflects the amount of detergency left in the oil. Good indicator of an oil's reserve acid capability, but this is where it gets tricky. Redline's TBN will drop very rapidly, but a 0.0 cutoff with Blackstone Lab's scale is safe. Redline's Ester baseoils will still protect and have the ability to neutralize acids for many miles after the TBN may appear to be depleted. This is different for other oils, however. Remember that many people put too much emphasis on TBN as you must consider other factors as well, such as wear, flashpoint, solids, and viscosity.
Viscosity- Should stay at a solid 20wt, which it is right now. If the viscosity changes by more than one grade, it may be a change indicator.
Al- Pistons, 2ppm is normal if not on the higher side. Again, from the clean-up of soft wear metals or additive clash.
Cr- Rings. 1ppm is normal ring wear.
Fe- Valvetrain wear. It is still high since the engine is new, plus a lot of this may be leftover from the factory oil. In addition, there may be some additive clash taking place with the new installation of Redline. Lastly, Redline tends to clean up soft, residue wear metals from the engine which will go into the oil, and make elemental wear values appear high (making you think its wear), when it is simply residue wear metals being cleaned up.
Cu- Bearing overlay (special) in Honda V6. It tends to remain high due to the construction of the bearing overlay, but will drop to more normal levels by 50K.
Pb- Bearings. In this case, it went up because Redline reacts with the bearings. It is normal and will drop eventually.
Sn- Tin, from the bearings. In this case, it may be some slight bearing wear from hard driving or may simply be a lab error.
Ni- From wear at the intake valves, usually present when there is dirt ingestion.
Mo- Molybdenum Disulphide (I think). Known as MoDTC, its used as an anti-oxidant and a friction modifier. Rings also contain some Molybdenum, so 1ppm of this to show up in a MoDTC-free oil is ring wear, which is normal.
B, Ca, Mg, P, Zn- All oil additives. Remember that cheap spectro analysis like this will show that the additive packs are still present even after they are depleted and unable to do their job.
Si- Dirt, silicates (from antifreeze), or an anti-foam agent. In this case, its leftover dirt from the manufacturing process.
Na- Road Salt, Antifreeze, or additive. Mobil is starting to use this now as an additive in their oils, known as sodium sulphonate, and Redline contains small amounts of this.
K- Can be either antifreeze (most common), road salt, or an additive. Redline contains some of this in its additive pack, so this reading is normal.
Mn- Fuel additive, usually the presence of this shows that the rings have not fully seated, and fuel additives are burning past the rings. It should drop to zero unless you're using a fuel that contains a lot of it.
Ba-usually from some type of manufacturing contamination, it should drop to zero
Solids- Shows the amount of blow-by, reflects combustion efficiency, effectiveness of oil filter, and sludge precursors. 0.3% is high for this amount of miles, 0.2% is probably ideal. Its high mainly because new engines do have higher levels of blowby for the first 10K or so before the rings fully seat.
Flash- Shows the volatility of the oil, and it'll drop with contamination. Generally, the target is >400F to keep the oil in a "like new" condition.
TBN- Total Base Number. Reflects the amount of detergency left in the oil. Good indicator of an oil's reserve acid capability, but this is where it gets tricky. Redline's TBN will drop very rapidly, but a 0.0 cutoff with Blackstone Lab's scale is safe. Redline's Ester baseoils will still protect and have the ability to neutralize acids for many miles after the TBN may appear to be depleted. This is different for other oils, however. Remember that many people put too much emphasis on TBN as you must consider other factors as well, such as wear, flashpoint, solids, and viscosity.
Viscosity- Should stay at a solid 20wt, which it is right now. If the viscosity changes by more than one grade, it may be a change indicator.
05-08-2012, 08:31 AM
#33
If you drive in cold winter conditions at your location, synthetic would be better.
05-08-2012, 08:31 AM
#34
I do not think these results are accurate.
- both tests should be using the same oil filters,
- then try altenste oils and take samples after the same amount (mileage) of driving and driving conditions.
I do think redline is better than conventional oils,
I'm a big fan if mobile 1, and castrol both full synthetics.
- both tests should be using the same oil filters,
- then try altenste oils and take samples after the same amount (mileage) of driving and driving conditions.
I do think redline is better than conventional oils,
I'm a big fan if mobile 1, and castrol both full synthetics.
RL is the best. I had it put in my cousin's TL and it felt like it gained a few horses.
05-08-2012, 08:47 AM
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i pour redline over my cheerios in the morning. that's how much i like it.
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05-08-2012, 09:25 AM
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05-08-2012, 11:29 AM
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I voted for Vaseline. Keeps all my engine's rods well lubed. Of course, petroleum jelly liquifies at around 100* F, and then the vapors become flammable. That quickly becomes something of downer for my engine. The rods quickly heat up and then blow. Causes premature explosion. ....and I don't even want to discuss how Vaseline affects the butt dyno...
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