habeebster123

So I found out type-s is excluded from the power steering hose leak recall. My type-s has the same exact defect as described in the power steering hose leak defect. Honda claims that different type of hose were used for the type-s.
However I'm 99% sure that is has the same defect as the regular tls. Has anyone with type s 07-08 have this problem? The problem is that the power steering hose prematurely deteriorates and causes leaks/cracks when the hood is hot. Thanks much guys!

SharksBreath

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my dealership told me that my 07' type-s was NOT part of the recall. just like you. same story.

i was trying to get it done at the same time i had my window wiper motor replaced...but they gave me the same info they gave you. kinda' sucks...hopefully someone can chime in with some advice.

i too, believe it is the same type of hose. why would it be any different? plus...it looks the same as the 04-06' hoses.

KN_TL

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wasn't it the o-ring that was different?

habeebster123

if you guys can do all of us a favor and file a complaint with the

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Contact

I already did it. This is the only way American Honda will add our Type-s on the recall. Please do it! They need to see recurring complaints to make this happen!
If you have the receipt you can get reimbursement.

KN_TL

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You'll also want to get it fixed ASAP. The reason it's a recall is that it's a fire hazard.

Bearcat94

It's kind of hard to tell though. I mean you can't determine construction and materials just by looking.

I do know that what is listed as the failed part in the Recall is different than the part number listed for the 2007 TL-S.

To some extent we have to trust that Acura knows which parts were used in which cars.

Also consider that they recalled pretty much every TL made from '04 - '06, most '07's, plus a few '08's. A total of ~273,000 vehicles. Why not include the relatively small number of Type-S's if there was a legitimate issue?

Here's an interesting bit of info from the recall documents:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/do...8V091-5584.pdf




Well, that's kind of the issue here isn't it? The 2007 and some '08 TL-S's are specifically NOT a part of the recall.

So either it's not a risk OR it is a risk but Acura won't replace it under recall.

If the form (no risk), fine. If the latter, what do you do?

habeebster123

The hose leaked on my Type S and it is exactly as described in the recall. Prematurely deteriorated. There is no reason why this hose should have leaked/cracked aside from being defective. IT's cleary not from wear and tear. The email respond you posted is clearly from Acura. They are trying to say that it is not the material. IT IS THE MATERIAL and the recall has acknowledged this!

Bearcat94

You should file a complaint with NHTSA. You've had the issue and it wasn't under recall. You have a legitimate cause to submit a defect claim.

habeebster123

Update guys! My Acura dealer fixed it free of charge.
My Type S is not on the recall and is out of warranty.
07 with 92k.

KN_TL

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No shit. I was just stating that for the unaware.

It would be foolish to wait for a recall before getting it fixed.

Bearcat94

I get that, but I'm saying, "How do you know?" It would be equally foolish to pay out of pocket to replace perfectly good parts because some TL's had failures.

But we don't go replacing other parts because some TL's had a recall on them. Wiper Motor ('04's and some '05's), for instance, or Fuse Boxes (some '05's), or Airbag Impact Sensors (some '06's).

How do we know Acura really fixed those for later buyers? Bottom line, we don't know.

If you've got an '07 - or any TL out of the VIN range of the recall for that matter - and are having no issues, are you going to replace those items at your own cost?

Probably not. We trust that Acura and NHTSA issued the recall for cars with the affected part. If we're not in the VIN range we assume it does not apply to us. Why would the PS hose be any different?

Sure, if it breaks like the OP's did, it's completely obvious. But what about the 99% of us who have no issue?

TVL65

Take it to the dealer IMMEDIATELY! My TLS had its hose blow off while driving it & fluid sprayed all over, luckily it didn't start a fire. Dealer sent a flatbed truck out to pick it up. Its under warranty so I'd get it done.

KN_TL

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When the OP said he had the same defect as the 04-06 models, I thought that meant he had a leak. So that was the reason for my statement.

If it weren't leaking and Honda/Acura says it's fine, then you're right, I wouldn't go out of pocket to replace something that isn't broken.

Bearcat94

Oh. Sorry, then. I think I mis-understood your earlier post.

tmitch2315

I had exactly the same problem and the dealer was going to charge $660 to fix it. Had them talk to Acura Cust Serv and they covered everything but $150. Now have a lifetime warranty on that hose. They admitted it was the same hose and it was dripping on the exhaust.

SharksBreath

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^thanks for confirming that it's the same hose. i figured it was.

i'm just going to keep an eye on mine and if i have to go to the dealer for anything anytime soon, i'll have them replace the necessary parts regarding this recall at the same time.

thegregory

I have an '08 Type S, 61K mi. Bad hose. It's leaking where the rubber line wraps over the rear cylinder head and is crimped onto the hard line. It drips on the exhaust and you can smell it through the vents and even see a little smoke when you park it.

Went to dealership....not on recall list, no help. They wanted $100 for the hose, but didn't have one in stock. Got one from Honda parts Unlimited for about $30 less and will replace this weekend.

I am a mechanical engineer and a lifelong car guy. I won't get into whether it's the same hose or not, but I can tell you the new hose comes with a heat shield sheath around the rubber area (exactly where mine's leaking) so obviously they know where the weakness is.

I reported it to the NTHSA as suggested above and saved my receipt. If it comes out in a recall, I'm going straight to the dealership for my refund.

Brazz

I don’t have a Type-s but had the same problem with my 08 TL. I knew about the recall, but Acura said that my VIN# wasn’t on the recall list and it was $450 to repair. They said that my VIN had the modified replacement part with heat shield & hose re-route. I told them that I didn’t have a heat shield since I checked the leak before bring it in. Acura located my old hose from the trash with no heat shield, and compared it to my new re-routed shielded hose. Acura paid 95% of the cost.

Bearcat94

Thank you.



I would encourage ANYONE who has this kind of problem to file a defect complaint with NHTSA. Here's the link: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/Vehicl...nt/index.xhtml


If you've had the problem and got it fixed, why file a complaint? 2 reasons:

1.) If a recall is issued, you can get reimbursed for any out-of-pocket expenses and,

2.) Enough complaints may result in a recall and that recall could save someone from having their TL burn to the ground. Even if it only keeps one person from this hazard, it's a win.

shezi01

iTrader: (1)

Same problem here.
Went to dealer last week and found out i have a leak, and since i have TL-S its not under recall, taking it in next week to get it replaced.
Already filed a defect with NHTSA.

thegregory

Update. Replaced the hose tonight. Not too hard. The big difficulty is that the hard line is routed under the motor mount and requires some maneuvering to get it in without kinking it.

Just in time by the way...Tilly started smoking like a diesel truck from under the hood as I pulled up to the dealership to get some power steering fluid.

I don't have the time to make a DIY, but I did think to take some pictures of the comparison between the old P.O.S. hose and the new one complete with rubber AND aluminum heat shielding. I also took one of it installed showing the heat affected (and now insulated) area by the rear cylinder head and the rear motor mount. If you've never looked at your rear motor mount you won't recognize it, but it's there.

Besides the motor mount, you have to take the strut brace off if you have a TL-S to access everything. The fitting to the rack is 19mm. I got mine off with a regular wrench with no trouble, but if you're going to do this, I might recommend using a line wrench just to ensure you don't round it off. Last thing...thread the hard line BY HAND to the rack with everything loose then bolt the line down with all the rubber grommets before tightening the hard line. Hope all this helps if anyone else is considering doing this.

twelfthKnight

I have an 07 with 97k. Same problem. Just noticed it a few days ago. Kinda funny that this thing started happening after I fixed the PS whine problem with the o-ring replacement. Not sure if it is connected though.

Anyway, how were you able to convince the dealer to fix it for free? Did you have to call the Acura Service Line?

Platnm0705

My car also has the power steering hose leak issue. I called Acura and they said my VIN isn't covered. I filed a complaint with the NHTSA. I'm hoping my dealership will cover it, but I doubt it.
The dealership wants $119 for the hose and another $300+ to install it (yea right). I'd going to do it myself someday when I find the time.

Acura604

what are the symptoms to this? i got the whining noise fixed ...all they did was fill up the power steering fluid reservoir.. i haven't checked to see if it is low indicating a leak so i'll check that today.

aside from whining, i'm thinking steering in general would be very tight/hard?

truonghthe

interesting I am in for update.

Skrewologist

Just replaced the pressure hose on my 07 type s. almost $300. Ugh

tmitch2315

Just got a call from Acura and they are now including this hose as a recall item. If you have already paid for a new one they said you can now get a refund. Check it out

Bearcat94

Recall Thread: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/2007-2008-acura-tl-recall-857511/