Ervool

I suspect the 2008 TL model will be a complete revamp of the car (is been some time now), anyone knows if this is happening?

I know I know that if I want the car I should buy it now and don't wait, but I still want to know...

Regards,

blazinginder

IT BETTER NOT...I just bought my 07 TL-S

Mokos23

I heard rumors it will be Fall 2008 for a 2009 TL release.

CLSixspeed

shouldnt this follow the new accord coming out?

pandaman1784

The 2008 MY should be relatively the same as the '04-'07s. It is expected that the 2009 MY will be a design revamp. '09s should appear in dealers in late 2008. Hopefully that clears it up for you.

I get a feeling this thread is either in the wrong forum or will get locked... just a feeling. =)

Ervool

That is what I thought, that if they revamp de Accord they will do the same with the TL, but maybe they'll trail for a year...

Ervool

Oops... didn't mean to touch a sensitive nerve with this... if this thread should be somewhere else please feel free to move it.

Regards,

kappa821

honda does a 5 year cycle something to that degree, therefore we believe that the 09 will be redone.

my salesman told me that the 09 will be redone meaning in july 08 (around that time) we should def have pics of the car and in oct 08 the car will be out. also believe that they redo the honda lineup first and then the acura lineup

ggesq

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EmuMessenger

Still open.... Hoping for a nice 2 door.

datboyali

For the TL, i dont think they will have a 4G, instead come out with Avdance Sport or Advance Sedan. (acura.com)

Just a thought n also an input from the dealer

TL1999

waiting for 300+ HP in the 4G TL that should be out FALL 2008 so it will be 09 Model.

EmuMessenger

It better have air conditioned seats.

BRBJackson

Amen, brother. That's the one thing I really miss not having on the TL.

rockyfeller

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A facelift (like the one for 2007) will last at least for 2 yrs. Even if sales slump a design team doesn't have the resources to pull something off that fast and corporate will never think it's economically smart. Rarely has any car that has been redesigned or face-lifted last only 1 model year.

boe_d

I've also heard rumors that the 2009 redesign has been pushed ahead one year and that we may get the redesign a year early. I'm itchen to get a new car but the 2007 model doesn't have the features or the sound insulation I'm looking for. They must know about the noise being an issue or they wouldn't have put the noise cancellation device in the TL-S.

I'd like it to have BT 2.0, air conditioned seats and a chilled cup holder like in the chrystler and mercedes.

I would really really like them to make more engine options.

A 15mpg 350hp engine for those out there who feel the need for speed.
A 30mpg 300hp engine for those who want the most of both worlds.
A 45mpg 250hp hybrid engine for those that are concerned about other things. (please let's not start another tag session about how you can/can't save money with a hybrid - there are more things to hybrids than the gas savings and yes the batteries can be recycled - and all the articles certain people bring up are usually based on information that is out of date).

blazinginder

And free maintenence for life while you're at it haha I'm just messin with ya....but yeah if you want all those engine options etc GO----> AMERICAN

...foreign car makers dont offer too many engine choices on each of their models for a reason...QUALITY CONTROL...and it saves money too haha...but yeah I'd like to see some of the features of the new ES350 put into the 4G TL...and much more...

boe_d

I could be being overly optomistic but the BT 2.0 is going to happen at some point - most PDA phones are BT 2.0 and more functionality is beginning to occur with the address books of these phones and the NAV system so why not go BT 2.0 - an $8 chip?

The AC seats seems to be a common request - frankly I'd be fine with cloth seats but since that isn't something they are keen on AC seats is the next logical thing.

The chilled cup hold is coming - believe it or not the cupholder is one of the biggest design items in cars and if the competition has a better cupholder that catches execs attention quickly.

If they are putting noise cancellation devices in the TL-S- it stands to reason someone at Acura would say why not stop the noise before it gets to the point we need to nullify the ambient sound?

We already have a TL and a TL type S for those who want a heavy duty engine. Why not make a gas sipper as well? Lexus is already going that route - a key competitor for Acura (IMHO).

Acura could always be behind the competition or they could meet the competition head on in more features.

blazinginder

Yeah I guess I can see your point, the hybrid is highly probable in the future as lexus will likely do so with their ES line...all the little options inside will be there too...I guess I jumped the gun a little haha

boe_d

Blazing - Hard to say if you jumped the gun, the question is if Acura wants to be in the front of the pack or just follow everyone else and be a couple of years behind. I'd prefer to think of them wanting to be in the front.

Seems to me like Sprint is trying to fix what acura has not yet - getting in touch with their customers. Sprint has horrible issues with Customer Service, Billing, and phone selection so they actually put up their own forum and have not censored some pretty bad comments but are also looking for ideas of what they can do to make things better. We'll see if Sprint progresses but I'm actually having better luck with their CS in the past month (I'm an IT consultant so I spend a lot of time dealing with carriers). I'd love it if Acura actually had a forum for suggestions to improve their vehicles. Obviously they can't make 1000 models to suit everyone but a few more choices wouldn't hurt in my opinion and a few updates would also help.

blazinginder

Very true...I HOPE they don't just follow the trend but instead make their own "1st in class..."'s

Syed

I spoke to the Acura salesman and he said that the 2008 TL will have the new SH-AWD system but the rest will be the same, maybe a small change in hp. The 2009 is the redesigned 4G TL.

jupitersolo

^^^ If that happens, I'll have to trade in my 06.

Be prepared for the 09 TL to be around $40K and the 08 TSX to step up some.

blazinginder

As I posted in the other thread....I am highly doubtful that there will be an AWD TL for the 2008 model year...they just did a facelift so I can't see a AWD TL coming soon...it will also bring down RL sales even further


...not to mention, SALESMEN dont know SHIT when it comes to these things

havenlock

according to a dealership in my area, there will indeed be AWD on the 08 and a redesign.

Not sure how reliable a salesman is.

edit:

http://www.motortrend.com/future/spi...s/112_2008fvf/

LightsOut!!

Funny...My salesman told me they wont but AWD in the 3gen TL because it would drive the price toward the RL. AWD is the main selling point for the RL over the TL. They want to keep the TL under 40K. AWD would drive the TL over the 40K mark.

LightsOut!!

The motortrend thread also says the MDX will get a redesign for 08. MDX just had a redesign for 07. There is no way that they are going to redesign the MDX a year later. I wouldnt put too much into the motortrend thread.

VC_Slim

The Temple of VTEC site shows FMC (Fall '08 launch): SH-AWD, 300+hp V6 for the TL

http://www.vtec.net/modelmatrix/

LightsOut!!

The note on the bottom says "NOTE: Dates indicated are for expected model introduction, not necessarily model year." Looks like it could be for the 09 model.

mikiTL

According to my dad, the TL redesign will come a year after the Accord redesign. The next TL will most likely have optional SH-AWD like that of the current Legend/RL. But he suspects it won't have 300+ HP, as it would put it in a class near the Legend/RL. If it does become a 300+ HP car, he says it could be due to a turbocharging method like the new RDX, or V8. More importantly than engine power is body weight. The TL might become smaller than our 3G. RL will most likely become a behemoth.

Acura has a number of new car designs in the works:
1) NSX 2) CL 3) TL 4) RL 5) RSX replacement 6) S2000 replacement

The CL -> S2000 might end up being the same car.

As for powerplants...
NSX -> V10
RL-> V10(optional?) Most likely V8
TL-> V8(optional?) Most likely V6 w/turbocharge option
CL/S2000 -> V8(optional?) Most likely V6 as a base model

As for roadnoise, my dad never knew that people complained about roadnoise of Acuras/Hondas, until we looked at the recent Consumer Report magazine. It does state that road noise was an issue with most Acura/honda drivers, but he said in Japan no one ever complained about it (maybe roads in japan are nicer) and he also said in Japan honda pairs the car with a particular tire type for optimal noise reduction.

Eoanou

I never noticed any road noise in my TL, you guys are just hearing things, lol.

Also I was curious why Acura doesn't swap the RDX motor into the TSX it would make a lot of sense for them to do that and not to mention give a 35HP boost to the TSX, and you wouldn't need to make the TSX AWD either.

The thing I think what Acura realizes is that most cars that offer AWD are selling very well, look at Audis for example, they are selling extraodinarily well because of their Quattro AWD system.

Eoanou

Lol V-10 in the NSX, never, Acura doesn't believe in big motors and would never put such a huge motor in an NSX, let's not forget the NSX is aimed at maintaining it's lightweigh to improve handling and stability and a bulky V-10 would only ruin that.

meowCat

Maybe it's in small displacement in each cylinder. Bigger the cylinder the more weight would be there too. Maybe the Acura/Honda is coming up with "light version " of V10 maybe?

Seems there is more gradual weight increase going from 2 wheel drive to 4 wheel drive than simply the increase in number of cylinders in the engine. What I'm saying is, there shouldn't be that much of increase in weight going from V6 to V10. There are other things that come into play. One engine can be a lot lighter than the other engine even though both have same V10 for example.

kappa821

i remember someone sayin that awd and 300+ would be in the 09, but i guess to make sure the 08 TL sells well they could put AWD drive in it

08 is going to be the same as the 3gen with mods and then the 09 is going to be a new gen to follow that 5 year cycle

Eoanou

Yeah, I know they could do what Ferrari does and have a low displacement V-10 or V-8, but I doubt Honda/Acura would do that.

PeterUbers

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I have 70,000 miles on my 2004 .. and still love this TL. I am keeping it till it dies. Just thought I'd throw in my meaningless 2 cents. Thanx

blazinginder

haha yeah I run all my cars to the ground ...my 94 camry has over 209k miles and I still drive it

Costco

Some of the speculations (they're actually wishes, at best) at ridiculously hilarious.

A 300 HP V6 engine with 30 MPG?
A TL with a turbocharged V6?
Better yet, with a V8?
What's next, rumors of a TL with RWD?

HUH? You think that there won't be much of an increase going from a V6 to a V10? You're painfully incorrect. Going from a RWD to AWD adds a substantial amount of weight, and you don't just increase the number of cylinders. There's a lot of additional engine components that are needed to handle the extra power of the motor.

Just going from a 1.8L, 4-cyl. Integra engine to a 2.2L, 4-cyl. Prelude engine is close to 100 lbs. The S4 with a 4.2L V8 and AWD weighs a LOT more than a V6, FWD A4.

meowCat

How did you find out the weight difference between an 1.8 Liter Integra engine to the 2.2 Liter Prelude engine? Did you weigh the engine itself for each car? Or are you going by the weight difference from the total car weight? I'd like to hear what you're gonna say about it.



....... and a lot more additional engine components? what... are they solid metal? weighs two three hundred pounds? I'd like to hear what you're gonna say about this as well.



And you sound like you don't realize how much weight is there having 4 wheel drive vs having 2 wheel drive. You don't seem very clear what you are saying, there, my young one. Never mind incorrect, I think you really have no clue what you are even saying.

mayflowerman

Just took my 05 TL in today for a B2 service and was told that the '08 TL will be a complete new design more horses and new look. They said the dealers will have more info by 8/07 and new car available 10/07.