BeezleTL85

Wow, re reading that is rough haha.


It* pulley* it*

rockstar143

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Got all my parts in...I figured whether I do it myself or not, it'd be good to source the parts on my own. I'm getting the confidence to make it happen.

When you say rear cam gear moves, is it as simple as putting it back in place to line up all marks once you put the new belt back on?

ez12a

From what i gather yes. It will only move a tiny bit in either direction just turn it back. Don't continue turning it in the same direction to bring it in line.

rockstar143

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Fack, every time I feel confident and like it's very doable I hear something else that makes me want to pay a tech to do it.

ez12a

its doable, bro

you've done way more work than I have on your TL than me and I managed to do it my first try lol.

Think of it this way, everything for the TB DIY is bolt-on. the most force you'll ever use in the entire job is the Crank pulley and getting it lined up. The rest requires only a little bit of strength. just take your time and bring a mechanically inclined friend. The most i had my friend do was the cover bolts and as a second set of eyes to triple check lol.

swoosh

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Jeremy, just ask how much a tech will charge you if you provide him with all the parts....if its 200-300 bucks, it might not be that bad....

but if its anymore, you might wanna give it a try....PS: I totally think you can do it though

Majofo

yes, just rock it back into alignment.

rockstar143

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Rock it? This is probably one of those things where everything will make perfect sense once I'm elbow deep in it.

Thanks for the encouragement, boys.

nfnsquared

Just put a socket on the pulley bolt and crank it back to TDC:

rockstar143

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You can only crank in one direction, right? Clockwise? Meaning if you miss TDC on cylinder 1 (might be redundant) you have to cycle through all cylinders to get another shot to line everything up again?

nfnsquared

Either direction is fine. We're only talking about 1/8 turn or so, not a full revolution.

Edit: and just to be sure, this applies to the cam sprockets (most likely it will be the rear cam sprocket).

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ THIS

if you miss the mark, you can turn it back....dont go for a full revolution...

rockstar143

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Thanks, NFN/Anil. And I'm assuming once belt is off, it's something that can just be turned by hand. I had read about marking old belt, cam sprocket, then transferring marks to new belt to be sure you're on the exact same tooth. Overkill?

Also, this kit I ordered...although it looks IDENTICAL and the water pump gasket sits in the channel and doesn't fall out does NOT appear to be an AISIN pump. Koyo bearings, Aisin tensioner, Gates belt (got new iridium, gates thermostat and fel-pro valve cover gaskets) and a Chinese water pump that seems to mimic the Aisin with everything but the name stamp and it has a polished impeller.

I'll post a picture soon.

This is what I got. I almost got the AISIN water pump timing kit but that brought a Thai belt and NOT GATES. I figured if I was to do a no name brand on either of the two, I'd rather it be the water pump than the Timing belt.

J.

ez12a

I have that gates tb kit with the chinese pump. no issues yet *knock on wood*

i was the one that marked the belt at each sproket before removal and lined it up with the new one. Overkill? maybe, but it took the guesswork out completely as to whether or not i skipped a tooth.

Majofo

Get out of here Anil! You've never changed your timing belt


Better to be safe than sorry. I didn't mark the belt, but I didn't bitch wrist it.. it was taut to say the least.

Regarding that Chinese kit you bought..

BeezleTL85

We were real careful and the gears didn't move. Real simple to turn it back. We had the plugs in when we first turned it but then took them out and it was easy. It's really not difficult.


I've got about 300 miles down since we changed out everything and yesterday evening I noticed a kind of whispy? sound when I get on the gas. 1500k or lower and you get hear it. Any ideas? Maybe we messed up that pulley when the belt tried to jump off?

Majofo

acuratech239 is a Acura master tech local to me who has probably done hundreds of timing belts (you can read his post in the first page or two as he gave me some tips on the job as well), has seen some failed Chinese pumps.. better hope that's not yours.

Majofo

Did you make sure you had TDC on the cams and crank pulley? Wouldn't hurt to check again, but my guess is it's the auto-tensioner and drivebelt making noise. Easy check is to remove drive belt and see if the noise goes away. Also check that you replaced the power steering res to the clip, you wouldn't be the first to belt burn one.

BeezleTL85

TDC?

Majofo

top dead center

BeezleTL85

K, I'll check it today

rockstar143

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Majofo, you've got me seriously considering returning it to get the Aisin pump/tensioner and just buying the gates belt separately. I'm NOT looking to do this job more than once.

Here's everything:


Close up of MY pump














and for comparison, Aisin pump

nfnsquared

Check your serpentine belt alignment. I had a strange noise after about 3 days and it was the serpentine belt. It looked fine (brand new belt installed when I did the TB service), but I took it off and the sound was gone. Put it back on: sound gone... see quote of my post (#207) below:


I used that same kit, no issues so far: 36K miles and just short of 3 years... and plenty of others have use that same kit with no reported issues...

swoosh

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Just because you havent done porn doesnt mean you dont know how to fawk



Jeremy, what is the price difference? is it worth it? <-- I would ask myself these questions

Majofo

Just because you watch porn doesn't mean you know how to fuck. GTFO.

Majofo

You dolt J, that's a Gates pump.. see the 5957 stamp. You'll be fine, just don't bump the o-ring out of the track.

swoosh

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thats exactly what AM telling YOU !!!

Majofo

I'm getting my cactus.. you better hide.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

make sure its a big one

Majofo

Nothing is big enough for you..

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

well lets just saw YOU dont have anything BIG enough for me

Majofo

I went to Joshua Tree National Park.. all too puny for your bingus.

BeezleTL85

Reminds me of hitler in the movie little Nicky, but he preferred pineapples. Not sure of the benefits though

ez12a

lol, that pump is made in China. So we're okay after all.

but yeah, that kit is the same in the OP, soo after all this time, i think we're good.

plus the original pump on mine was leaking at around 70k. maybe this china one will be better.

rockstar143

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Boys, thank you much. I don't know if it's a good or bad thing but I put a lot of credence into the advice I get on these boards. Although I've come a long way, I will admit that even I'm not above the occasional newb moment where I just need reassurance for uncharted territory. I will run a dab around the entire gasket to ensure that it sticks in the channel while being placed, no worries!

I'm hoping to be in a 2 car garage home in the next few months...that'll give me the space I need to know I can have the car taken apart for a solid 3 days and knock this all out with plenty of time. I plan to pull battery, intake, intake manifold, valve covers...do the valve adjustment and work my way back. Should make it easier to do with most of that stuff out of the way.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ that should make it very very workable....

I would suggest AGAINST taking the runners out...you will spend a lot of time (some bolts are well hidden) and it wont save you any/much more space....

while you are soo deeep in, why not replace the spark plugs as well (not sure if you said you gonna replace them as well)

rockstar143

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my picture above would indicate that a set of iridium are currently on the agenda, Mr. 5 dots of compound.

PS, I did them at 60K but I figured, another 50K was good enough time to get it done while I'm in there anyway! Thanks, bud.

swoosh

iTrader: (5)

^^^ your picture about must have been photobucket....my laptop is smart to ignore all low resolution pictures automatically

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

Nope, I made it only public to those that wear close toed shoes. This ain't India, sucka...

Majofo

It's not where it's manufactured, it's who manufactured it. Armadildo assumed that because it was made in China, it was a knock-off and not a Gates / OE pump. I know exactly how J's install is going to go..