cM3go

SO not what I expected... virtually nothing... maybe some stuff is still missing...

ww.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=265399

TL

Change 1: Front seat belt buckles mounted to seat frame

Change 2: Sensors in the front passenger seat alert driver when occupant is out of a safe position for the side airbag


um... didn't Change 2 exist in the 2nd gen TL? You mean its not in the 3rd gen and NOW they are adding it? what the hell?!

cM3go

rets you can put this info in the 2005 Sticky if you want, wasn't sure if I should post it there

cM3go

oh and this pisses me off.. the RL's DVD-A system plays MP3s, but not the TL... son of a!!!

rets

OK, my old sticky would be history. http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89781 <--- other possible 05TL info please check here...


Now this is new one for good.


Thanks cTLgo. (I was still thinking how to put the info here, then your swift SIMPLE reply just did so.) But, I have to wipe out some wording out of your subject line, wish you don't mind.


The info from TOV is used to be pretty accurate.

reloaded

ahha..when i first saw the page..i didn't see the "RL" text on the top of the description of the new changes..so it read 300 HP and 260 ft/lbs torque and i was like ahha..

Brokedoc

Sure, it can play MP3's off of a CD but can you hook up an iPOD?!?!

Regarding official TL changes.....That's it!?!?!? There's gotta be more....They didn't mention the change in Red....I saw it myself on the dealer's computer.

No way this list is all inclusive.

gochan

re: the ipod, why not just get the ipod and the radio receiver?

mason1125

I'm glad that I did not wait for 05...

TLXLR8S

you might be wrong. check my post of this video.

http://www.acura-tl.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92798

mason1125

Thanks! That's a very informative video. It made me feel a litttle better as I will keep my TL for a while.

ARX-01b

iTrader: (1)

Now I know I made the right decision on an 04. I just picked up a 6 speed NBP with Nav, this afternoon for $32k.

Lem

Pics of the 2005 TL are available at the following link.....

http://hondanews.com/CatID3017?view=p&page=1

berlinrl

The red looks the same as the redondo red in these pics . . .

Also, something is different about the shape of the rear . . .

DMZ

Looks like the exact same car to me. Maybe the red color itself is different, but that's it.

Still no turn signal mirrors.

cM3go

I don't expect a exterior change as little as it may be, until 2006

When the 2nd gen came out, they didn't change the exterior till 2001, 1999 and 2000 remained the same, exteriorwise

Brokedoc

Pics look EXACTLY the same. No turn signals in the mirrors, same BS tires.

I may need to save some $$ and change my deposit to a 2004 model.

richmojm

I think some information was lost in the summary posted to that web site.

Here's an except from the "Acura 2005 Model Year Change Summary" press release that offers a little more explanation about the safety changes (http://www.hondanews.com/CatID3001?m...81399&mime=asc):

TL
The 2004 TL performance luxury sedan debuted in October of 2003 as an all-new model and since that time it has been Acura's top-selling vehicle. Equipped with a 270- horsepower V-6 engine, track-tuned suspension, an available 6-speed manual transmission, aggressive styling and a ground-breaking DVD-Audio system, the TL quickly became a dominant force in its segment, competing head-to-head with BMW, Lexus and Audi. Several safety enhancements were made to the 2005 model to comply with FMVSS 208 standards including:

Drivers seat position sensor helps determine optimum deployment rate for front airbag
Weight sensors in the front passenger seat disable the front airbag if the occupant weighs less than 65 pounds

Also,

richmojm

Here's an excerpt from the "Acura 2005 Model Year Change Summary" press release that offers a little more explanation about the safety changes (http://www.hondanews.com/CatID3001?m...81399&mime=asc):

Several safety enhancements were made to the 2005 model to comply with FMVSS 208 standards including:

Drivers seat position sensor helps determine optimum deployment rate for front airbag
Weight sensors in the front passenger seat disable the front airbag if the occupant weighs less than 65 pounds

Also, here's an excerpt from the "All-New 2005 RL Gives Acura Its Strongest, Most Exciting Lineup Ever" press release (http://www.hondanews.com/CatID3001?m...81569&mime=asc).

For 2005, passenger's seat weight sensors and driver's seat position sensors are applied to the TL's front airbag system.

Jay

pbm317

From my experience Honda likes to make exterior revisions in the 3rd MY. So 2006 may see new colors, revised taillamp/headlight clusters, perhaps a new wheel design and things to that effect.

rescueswimmer

You know what sucks is that you click on every car on the honda media center and it gives you 2005 info on all the cars except the TL. F@#kers


Need to edit it seems they are updating as a type since i went back there was press release on the 05 TL safety features. Hope there is more to come.

Hawhyen51

Please correct me if I'm wrong, aren't some of the pictures on this link 04 TLs? Some of them appear in the TL section of Edmunds, newcar.com and others?

rescueswimmer

hawkeye and everybody else i just got these from the link below...

This was titled 2005 Acura Tl



This was titled 2004 Acura TL

frebay

does anyone know if the new TL will have the zagat guide like the new mdx or the navtraffic like the RL? will this be an easy upgrade?

rescueswimmer

The interior links are up guess exterior is soon to come

interior 1


interior 2

Brokedoc

rescueswimmer,

Thanks for posting the pics. I suspected the pics were of '04 models and just retitled. As someone else noted, the red appears to be the same '04 shade.

I still hold out hope for minor tweaks. This may be irrational given the "official" Acura press release but several things just don't make any sense. Passenger seat sensor is new? - I have that in my 01 CL - the airbag light goes on all the time when I have my briefcase on the seat! This can't be a new feature. There's no mention of the color change from Redondo Red to Ruby Red. Adding Zagats to the MDX should be the same for the TL as the only difference would be the info on the DVD disc which is usually shared across model lines.

rescueswimmer

zagats?

Now I just called Acura cs. I dont hold any faith in this department now. I asked if there were any changes in my04 to my05 she tells me she has the book in front of her and there are no changes.....hmmmm

So I ask about the mdx
Now supposedly it gets onstar and someother goodies. She says no changes on the 05 mdx as well. So im just as lost as you are. My dealer is getting a 04 ssm,quartz navi delivered on the 15th Thats what I want. Now I'll be real pissed if i make a deal on that car and the 05 has some nice interior change ie mp3 ect.

Brokedoc

I read both of these releases - supposedly on the '05 and I would swear that these are the same releases that were released last year!

Check out last year's TL press release 9/03

It seems as if the people who wrote the press release either heavily plagiarized from last year or were too lazy to update the document to make sure it sounded current. Look at "The already long TL standard feature list has grown significantly with items like the first North American ..." If Acura didn't add any features from 04 to 05, how has the list grown?

This stinks.

Michaelvg1

OK. Question for you guys...
If the new features for the 05 are just safety improvements, will that mean we will get recall notices to replace or improve our existing sensors?

rets

Is it possible we could upgrade to this screen if Acura release the upgrade package for using Real time Traffic system on 04/05TL?




Sorry, this pic looks a little fuzzy. The original one in Acura.com is much clear.

DMZ

Would love to see it as much as you or anyone else would rets, but if I were Acura, I'd let the new system circulate for year in a new model to see what kinds of problems or issues may arise first. That's IF the upgrade is to ever become available and before its deployed in any new models. To be sure, that's exactly what they're doing with the RL's new SH-AWD system.

rets

A year waiting is normal, we talk this before. Whatever reasons Acura holds would be reasonable. I just wonder if the screen change could be done by simple new DVD or it has to be done by some hardware upgrade.

cM3go

it could very well be a software thing, I mean it uses the Acura navi, most likey the same alpine made for the TL, TSX, MDX, and uses XM equipment, built into the TL, MDX and now TSX. So potentially the hardware may be the same. Only an engineer or this technology could tell us for sure.

northjerseyacura

OK... If Acura were to add things like Mirror turn signals and change stuff on the inside of the car...Thay would have all those people who just bought 04 TL's very pissed off Now making changes into the 3rd year which would be a 06 Model people would expect!


So I think it is very wise that they did not change anything and this is coming from somebody who has a 05 DM parchment on order! I would love to have had mirror turn signel but I can live with out it. And the interior is just fine the way it is all I hope for is that they work out some of the issues they have had just little bugs... :gheywave:

JeffS

Well it is the exact same car since they used the same pictures as last year. Acura cheated and took no new photos.

Everyone has been commenting on the lack of turn signal indicators in the mirrors, I would not expect this to be a change for the TL for this year. Maybe during its mid model updates, but not for the second year. Plus, do you think Acura would add the mirror indicators and keep the little lights in the side groove? Would that be to many lights on the side??

Brokedoc

You're right that people would be p.o.'d but I'm honestly surprised there are essentially ZERO changes. I don't expect anything drastic like between '99 and '00 TL when they went from 4AT to 5AT after 1 year but something like changing from BS back to Michelin would have made a lot of sense (they are probably contractually bound).

Because of the lack of changes, I've flipped my deposit from an '05 to an '04 and hope to pick up my car later this week. I figure the MSRP will jump about $1000 and the dealer will be dealing a lot closer to MSRP than they are now. This could potentially translate into a difference of $2-3K for 2 extra sensors and lower vin#. Unless you plan on trading in your car after 2-3 yrs, it's not worth it.

Bonedoc

Well, since we already have automatic disabling of the passenger side airbag for those out of postition, with a light on the instrument panel indicating so, I don't see the big deal about this. I wonder what they have added, maybe a buzzer? Glad to see my '04 hasn't become obsolete!

stevesTL

I think I am going to wait until after the first of the year to buy... if I can wait that long! I did get one internet offer for a 04 TL no Navi for 31,300. Not too bad for a first offer and the only one I requested. I was hoping for some additional colors, and I don't think that will happen. The 2005 Accords are now on the Honda Website and prices appear to be less than 3% over last year. The same for the 2005 TL?

Brokedoc

The specs for the '04 Acuras came out the first week of September just like the '05s did this year. '04 Acura pricing came out first week of October and I'd expect the same this year.

Pro Street

For those of you concerned about the tires on the 2005 check this out:

TIRES

Bridgestone 17-inch all-season high-performance tires were developed for the TL. The standard tire is P235/45R17 M+S (all-season), with 235/45R17 high-performance tires available for the TL with 6-speed manual transmission. Navigation system-equipped models without the optional high performance tires are shod with Michelin all-season tires[U]

I pulled this from http://www.hondanews.com/CatID3011?m...48344&mime=asc - the new 2005 press release. I called Acura customer service and they are confirming this information concerning the change to Michelins for the Navigation models. I asked for the specific tire model - they are calling me back with this information. Looks like Acura has listened about the EL42s (for Navi models only!)

TL_CLT

Yea, it looks like the back bumper has more of a curve to it. Maybe to prevent water pooling, wich happens every time to my '04?