getakey

SSFTSX - you were the one that said 1000lbs does not make a difference. you said tires make more of a difference than 1000 lbs
I fully understand that the Tesla has 100% torque instantly available

The RLX will not have all of that torque at the start as the elcric engines provide much less power than the gas engine. I do not see the RLX hybrid beating the Tesla. We shall see.

SSFTSX

Tesla losses out to S8 despite on mile high test elevation which degrades gasoline engine.

i said extra weight of car is balanced by more torque. it is the tire that make the difference at launch. without performance tires Tesla is another Honda Accord.

Now Honda new electric technology is on diffferent level.
see 2.0 PHEV Honda Accord. That car weighs 3800lbs but still can do 0-60 mph in 7.5 seconds with CVT/All season tires with less than 200bhp.

Now RLX is 3 Motor hybrid with AWD, new transmission, and DI engine. it should beat Tesla easily. That is far more usuable for driving due to its 600 to 700 mile range.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...5-kwh-battery/

he lack of an engine sound only makes the road noise and brake cut in even more obvious.

getakey

You realize that the S8 cost $20K more than Tesla and has 500+hp right? And, you say hte car is loud and post a link that has this quote "The Tesla wins on being stunningly silent and being electric."

So, you think the RLX is going to be 0 to 60 in 4.2 sec?

GoHawks

Only if it had PS2 tires.

SSFTSX

$20k extra for S8 gives you alot more standard equipment (Audi drive select, AWD traction, top and corner cameras, rear fog lights, heated wind shield washers, night vision, )and high quality interior. Tesla is more in mid size quality .
the link is about test drive. there is comments about excesssive wind and tire noise in absense of engine noise.

If RLX got pilot sport tires with lighter rims it will surely be faster than Tesla.

GoHawks

getakey

Lets bet

jhr3uva90

Not quite sure what any of this has to do with RLX sales...

getakey

not following?
If the RLX PAWS had PS2 tires it would do sub 6 second 0 to 60 and be selling 1000+ per month

But I'm happy as I saw my first RLX today on the road.

It looks great. I cannot see what people see in the Lexus by comparison

miner

True ... get back on topic

Add 1 more to the August sales. I purchased my Advanced model Saturday.
This (mine) is the first I have seen in the town I live in.

neuronbob

SSFTSX and those discussing with him, please make another thread to do so.

This thread is for sales numbers and discussions only.

getakey

Sorry Bob - will quit in this thread
That said, this thread has been all over the place in 14 pages

Any guesses on Aug results? I'll be optimistic and say 750

miner

John Eagle Acura, where I bought mine, had 38 on the lot on Saturday - more Techs and Navs than Advances; 1 Krell. The one I bought (Advanced) was still wrapped and had 7 miles on it. This dealer is the largest volume Acura dealer in Texas and second in the region behind Prohanka. They told me they have sold 22 RLXs but I had not seen one yet in the Houston metro area.

KeithL

Hmm, I am thinking 700 or less.

Acura_Dude

Congrats on your RLX.

I'ma guess that number as well. We'll find out in a few weeks.

torqued

I was at my local dealer this weekend here in Richmond and I simply did not care for the RLX at all. I found it unoriginal, rather boring and just overall meh. Maybe it's just me and that I'm very far out of the target market??? but it had ZERO appeal. I saw folks all over the MDX and RDXs on the lot but the entire time I was there I saw no one so much as glance at the RLX in the showroom.

I did also stop by the Infinity dealership across the street and was rather impressed by the new Q50 but not as a competitor to the RLX. It has very athletic yet refined lines, great tech, better quality, fit and finish than the outgoing G37 and I would consider it in it's 2nd year as a replacement for my TL SH-AWD. I doubt folks are cross shopping it with the RLX tho. While I could not test drive one, the salesman said they really have cured the NVH woes of the G37, my only real gripe with that car.

It's pricey at the moment and the boards are full of stories about cars on hold for software updates etc. What a horrific launch for the car, they sit on dealer lots but you can't drive them till the computer is patched although that should be sorted out by now.

KeithL

look at the edmunds Q50 review, they trash the tires, run flat all seasons hurt the Q50 handling numbers. Let's see how long before Infiniti changes the default tires, people hate run flats.

torqued

+1, thank goodness Acura has not gone the run flat route and seems others share the same sentiment on the Q50 handling. Shocking the car is not an ATS/3-series killer since Infinity claimed to make handling a top priority and had Sebastian Vettel advise on it's handling.
PS: I saw Q50's on the lot with a $200 spare option as they know folks will dump the RFTs. Please Acura, NO RFTs!!!

getakey

so a lot of people aren't liking the RLX styling, but what is better?
To me, Lexus GS is ugly. BMW 5 series and MB E-class don't do anything for me. Same with Audie.
Infinity Q50 looks like a possibility. The Cadillac XTS looks same as CTS.

The RLX is somewhat conservative, yes, but it is appealing to me and looks better in person

jhr3uva90

The new 5 Series look a little bland to me.

KeithL

I like the Lexus GS outside, although a tad conservative, not a fan of the interior. I like BMW 5 series and of course Audi, but even Audi the A4/6/8 start to blur together in look and their interiors, once leaders are now bland dated. The 14 CTS really has a lot of appeal and had it been out I would be there looking at it. I like the Q50 exterior, interior is an improvement, but for me cramped.

GoHawks

I moved to the CTS coupe when I first saw early pictures of the RLX. I just fell in love with the look of the Coupe (more than the CTS sedan), otherwise I probably would have kept my '06 RL a while longer.

The 5 series are OK. I do like the Lexus GS. The Audis are sharp in my opinion and I think the E Class is a handsome car.

neuronbob

GS is ugh. CTS you know my opinion . XTS is bland. e class is bland. 5 series is good. RLX is OK, a little bland but not ugly.

I think the blandness would help with sales for the car buying masses who are not badge conscious.

JT4

Congrats!! Post some pics when you get a chance.

iforyou

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haha, it was SSFTSX who was claiming 1/2 second difference. I just said there will be a difference.....for my 2G TL-S with 5AT, I did have traction issue if I slam on the gas. That's in a car with about 200whp and 180wtq fitted with 5AT. The Accord has 40 extra whp and a more aggressive 1st gear.....in my test drive, I had a lot of traction issue......it would chirp the wheels when changing from 2nd to 3rd gear.

Hmm..I didn't really change focus man.

In post #473, you brought up the focus on "gadgets" as you said "luxury sedans buyers don't have to tell the difference between FWD and RWD, which are deemed meaningless to these buyers. In the same way, gadgets such as PAWS and e-SH-AWD are also meaningless to these buyers."

So in #474, I basically hey those gadgets are relevant to buyers and they might also sound "cool" to $70k sedan buyers.

In #475, you then said $70k sedan buyers don't care about mpg.

So in #478, I responded that there are buyers who might just wanna brag about how efficient their $70k luxury sedan is while having excellent handling and doing 0-60mph in the 4's.

In #483, you brought the Tesla S into the discussion, stressing its zero-emission status that the RLX will never be able to achieve since they were priced the same while the Tesla S could do 0-60mph in 4.2s.

In #487, I showed you the actual numbers of the Tesla S. And as you've admitted, you misread the specs of the Tesla S. Since in the previous posts, we had been discussing gadgets and stuff, in post #487, I continued the focus on features and gadgets. I didn't change anything there, did I?

From post #493, it's clear that you feel the gadgets on the RLX are worthless, while Zero-Emission status is very important. I respect your view on that. That is fine. It does not mean I agree to your view though. You have your view, I have mine.

So going back to your latest post. Now you are saying 4.2s is not your focus. But back in post #483, I basically saw,

Tesla S
$70k
0-60mph: 4.2s
Zero-Emission

If you have 10 other points in that post, that I probably wouldn't have thought your focus was not on 0-60mph in 4.2s...

Like I said, I also like the Tesla S. It's a success because it's unique in the market and its price is not crazily expensive. It's definitely a cool car since it's all electric, and it's nice looking too.

With that said, I feel that the RLX AWD can offer something different too. Assuming you can get a RLX AWD advance for $70k, it's not all that bad. It can supposedly do 0-60mph in low 4's, has excellent handling, gets excellent mpg for a car of that size, and has a lot of gadgets. Will it be a success? I don't know, but that's not exactly my focus.

TSX69

Just got this email from my local dealer advertising:

$6,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 TL vehicles
$5,000 off Remaining in-stock 2013 ILX vehicles
$2,000 off in-stock 2014 MDX vehicles
$500 Below Invoice Pricing on ANY in-stock 2014 RDX

Interesting how there is nothing off the 2014 RLX (they have yet to receive a 2013 ZDX) but there is something off the 2014 MDX. Granted, they have kept inventory relatively low for the RLX which gives them more control over the price.

I thought that after the MDX was launched, we would start getting info on the hybrid RLX - at least on the "Future Vehicles" section of the website but so far nothing. I am most curious to see what, if any, visual changes have been made (and what ads Mullen is going to make). I assume that at the very least there will be new rims like all Honda/Acura hybrids. There is a good chance for front/rear fascia to be altered - just please, no blue tinted lights.

Now those are changes I can see happening because it is a hybrid, but since it is a sport hybrid, could we get some of the usual Honda/Acura sport mods? Red interior lights, red stitching, metal pedals? I would not mind those in addition to maybe replacing the wood with metal or carbon fiber, or even a black wood grain. Not sure we are getting anything larger than the current 19" rims tho.

Specs & price probably will not be revealed till launch time but I am most curious to see the hwy miles. If it is indeed 30, that is interesting as it is less than the non-hybrid's 31.

neuronbob

The average mileage for the hybrid was supposed to be 30. What was quoted previously was 30 city/30 hwy/30 avg. The FWD is 20/31, so average is lower. It's the hybrid's city mileage that should be interesting you.

getakey

are the august sales numbers out yet?

KeithL

I don't see them, here is where they keep them all

http://www.hondanews.com/channels/16...c-7b004c34bef5

TSX69

But I did stumble upon this website which states that the Acura RLX stayed 44 days on the lot in Aug (46 for the GS350 & 119 for M37).

http://www.newcars.com/reviews/infin...rlx-sedan.html

KeithL

M37 sales tanked the last 2-3 months, but thn the car has been on the market 39 months so I think Infniti had inventory based on 700-800 units a month lately, then sales dropped to almost half that. Acura should be so lucky to sell 400-500 RLXs when it is 3 years old, the are struggling with 671 in first few months.

2011TL

459 RLX's sold in August

http://www.hondanews.com/channels/co...llion-vehicles

neuronbob

Beat me to it. Here's the data directly from HondaNews.

KeithL

They need the TLX ASAP and it needs to be a home run, the sedan sales are terrible.

neuronbob

TLX is next year's release so Acura will have to soldier on as a primarily SUV maker only until then.

I think many non-enthusiast RL owners are doing what I and some enthusiasts are, awaiting the sport hybrid. Sport hybrid needs to be out, STAT, preferably with better press than the FWD RLX is getting.

Malibu Flyer

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Acura is running the risk many of us will get tired of waiting and switch to another brand.....there is no shortage of competitors for the RLX that have excellent handling and other amenities.

2011TL

^^^

I'm in that boat. Only six months ago there was no doubt the RLX would be my next vehicle. If the sport hybrid is not a winner and at my price point ($65k max), then I'll be looking elsewhere. The Audi A6 Prestige is looking like a good option.

Colin

America buys primarily SUVs these days, so IMO, that's fine. In fact, I'd suggest that the Fit based 'Urban concept' for China could be a great addition to the NA lineup as well. That would give us Small, Med. and Large(ish) SUVs and the same for sedans. Add the NSX and suggested TLX Coupe, and would add two choices in 2 doors. Finally, massaging the ILX with a 180ish HP base engine and getting the RLX Hybrid out and you would have a strong basis for the brand.

neuronbob

Agree with you, Colin. Acura is doing OK with the SUVs as demonstrated by the numbers above. The MDX and RDX are flying off the shelves, so to speak.

KeithL

My guess is the SH-SH-AWD is not going to be all that Sporty, it is a large car. I am curious to test drive it even though I just jumped to Audi.