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Recently got an email from my local dealer offering $11,500 off MSRP or $479/month lease on a 2017 RLX. It would seem that they are getting ready for the 2018 MMC model but do they really have that many left to clear out? Are they planning on making that many 2018s ... ?
Handle like crap in low speed corner, try it next time when you quickly correct the steering wheel during slow speed corner and the car will wobble all over the place.
Handle like crap in low speed corner, try it next time when you quickly correct the steering wheel during slow speed corner and the car will wobble all over the place.
If you correct your steering in the middle of a maneuver, there is a split second during which the rear wheels are still obeying the original command for the original direction.
This can cause you to increase the steering angle at the front, and then when the rear wheels take their set ⅛ s later, you'll see you've over reacted with the steering input.
If, however, you're doing this on a bumpy road, the suspension will handle it better than most other big cars.
The KC1 and KC2, both of them reward smoothness and a steady hand, there's no doubt about that.
^^^^ trust me I drove my IS300, GS350 and LS460 L and it will give you true nimble turn on low speed corner. The RL fare better since the SH-AWD push once throttle applied the only experience I got similar to PAWS when I intentionally let the tail end of the IS300 slide out. All wheel steering been around for ages and there is good reason why car manufacture get rid it.
^^^ I hope you realize those car worth $80k or more right? we are not talking about a system implement on a $50k-$60k (basically a accord with quite cabin). I would rather see the RLX keep SH-AWD as standard like they did in the 2nd gen RL and offer the Sport Hybrid AWD as next trim up.
The problem with Acura division is they try to patch fix what know as problem.
Previously RL and TL SH-AWD was compete with sale since they had similar interior dimension however the TL engine had more power and available in MT and $15k lower sticker price, clearly no one will buy the RL. RL itself wasn't a very competitive car to begin with, I mean they started out with greats tech but most other car manufacture quickly catch up and eventually dust the RL in tech department.
The RLX suppose to "fix" what was the RL problem but they ran into the same issue as the RL. Who gonna pay $50k-$55k FWD luxury sedan (full size) not to mention the 3.5 N/A V6 power plant paired with 6spd Autotragic transmission (lexus already using the 8 spd in their LS460 and GS460 back in 2007)? other car already moving to 9-10 spd AT (E.G TLX V6 model) along with either V8 or inline 6 turbo that put power down to the rear wheels.
Last edited by truonghthe; 08-06-2017 at 12:45 AM.
The costs just don't add up to offer both an RLX AWD and RLX Sport Hybrid.
The cost increase on the MDX is only 1500 going from AWD to Sport Hybrid. The reason to keep regular AWD on MDX is for towing. No good reason on RLX. The regular AWD has no advantage on the RLX. The Hybrid is superior technology especially going forward
It makes more sense to do what Acura is already doing--FWD and eSH-AWD. They just need to amp up the content for the price, and sharpen the styling.
It certainly does.
Of course, my preference for the brand would be to dump FWD completely and do only SH-AWD and eSH-AWD. I know it probably won't happen, but that makes the most sense to me for a premium brand.
^^^Yup, it is the classic bait and switch...get the potential buyer into the showroom lured with the $48K base price of the RLX (even lower with incentives)... then have them drive both the base version and the top of the line version "just for fun"...then upsell them to some version the top model that they've fallen in love with compared to the base model because it is way faster and has more bells and whistles to make their neighbors jealous...
Delays in the release of the Sport Hybrid RLX put a kink in this plan for Acura as people gave the PAWS version a resounding "meh" for reviews (and they hated the suspension) and that first impression has haunted sales of the RLX ever since.
^^^^
Speaking of reviews, I have yet to see a really bad, completely negative review of the RLX Sport Hybrid. Most reviewers LOVE the driving experience and pan the exterior appearance or the Spartan interior. As I said above, Acura has got to amp things up, make the RLX a baller-mobile....for less than the Germans.
^^^^
Speaking of reviews, I have yet to see a really bad, completely negative review of the RLX Sport Hybrid. Most reviewers LOVE the driving experience and pan the exterior appearance or the Spartan interior. As I said above, Acura has got to amp things up, make the RLX a baller-mobile....for less than the Germans.
If only they'd known where the yen would be. :-(
Personally, I've always found the KC2's interior to be of a lesser quality that the UA9. I have never understood that.
I always assumed the money must've gone into the drivetrain, but it did not.
And we know for sure it didn't go into the infotainment system. LOL....
Honda HR-V sets yet another new monthly record in August
Sporty models boost Honda Civic to strong increase
Honda core products Accord, Civic and CR-V all top 30,000 in sales in August
Acura RDX sets new August sales record
Acura ILX gains again, up 17.7 percent in August
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported total August sales of 146,015 Honda and Acura vehicles, a slight decrease of 2.4 percent vs. August 2016. Total Honda Division sales decreased 1.8 percent on sales of 132,883. Honda cars gained 4.2 percent with 71,433 vehicles sold in August, while Honda trucks were down 8 percent on sales of 61,460 units due largely to limited inventory of key models. Acura Division sales were down 7.8 percent on August sales of 13,132 vehicles, with trucks declining 1.4 percent on sales of 9,211 units, and cars down 20.1 percent on sales of 3,921 vehicles.
Honda
Honda cars showed no signs of slowing in August, with Civic grabbing a strong 11.2 percent gain versus 2016 and Accord holding steady in the final year of its current form, despite all-new competition. With the exception of HR-V, which set a new August record close to its best month ever, Honda trucks were still feeling the pinch of tight supplies in August.
HR-V set a new August sales record, jumping 26.7 percent on sales of 9,603, just 176 shy of its best month ever.
Civic sales again topped 36,000, for a gain of 11.2 percent in August.
Accord crested 30,000 sales for the month as it continued to buck the downward sedan sales trends among other manufacturers.
"With millions of people suffering due to the extreme weather in Texas and neighboring states, our thoughts and concerns are focused on their quick recovery and we are committed to supporting our customers at this difficult time," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the Automobile Division of American Honda.
Acura
The ILX, Acura's gateway model, again led Acura sales gains in August as the luxury sedan market saw many luxury carmakers continuing to pour on the incentives in a bid to find sales. On the truck side, the Acura RDX continued to show sales strength, setting a new August record in 1 of the industry's hottest segments.
ILX sales were up for the 3rd month in a row, gaining 17.7 percent in August on sales of 1,380.
RDX set a new August sales record, gaining 11.2 percent on sales of 4,679 for the month.
"At a time like this, our thoughts are with those who are suffering from the hurricane in Texas and we are taking steps to support our customers during this challenging time," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of the Acura division.
DAMN, look at all those MDX hybrids sold in the last month. In one month, Acura sold 1.5 x the number of RLX Hybrids sold all year! The year's number of MDX hybrids is nearly six times that of the RLX hybrid. Goes to show you how far the American market has moved in the direction of SUVs, and what happens when the hybrid is reasonably priced compared to the non-hybrid.
Hybrid MDX is only 5% of total MDX, whereas RLX Hybrid is 10% of total RLX. But RLX numbers are just plain poor.
I do think Hybrid MDX will grow significantly if they make enough.
The RLX hybrid still leads its relatively small segment. I ponder if they are increasing production for 2018 as they are predicting the hybrid to make up 40% of sales. If not, they must plan on selling even less RLXs next year.
Acura has been pretty accurate with their 5% estimate of 2017 MDX hybrid sales.
Planning to test drive a MDX Hybrid today at NSXPO. Acura's being proactive by offering TLX A-Spec and MDX/MDX Sport Hybrid test drives to participants. No NSX test drives, though....puzzling to me. NO RLX here, the MMC must not be ready for production yet.
American Honda sets new September records for total vehicle sales (up 6.8%) and total truck sales (up 0.5%)
Honda Division also nets September records for total vehicles (up 7.4%), cars (up 14.5%) and trucks (up 0.2%); Acura trucks also set new September record (up 2.4%)
Honda Civic smashes previous best September, jumping 25.8% over 2016
Honda HR-V sets ninth straight monthly record, gaining 17.1% for best September
Honda core products Accord, Civic and CR-V combine for nearly 100,000 sales
Acura MDX has record September as sales jump 8.9%
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported best-ever September total sales of 142,722 Honda and Acura vehicles, an increase of 6.8 percent vs. September 2016. Honda Division also set a new September record, gaining 7.4 percent on sales of 129,776 units. Honda cars and truck both set September records, with cars gaining 14.5 percent on sales of 69,407, and trucks up 0.2 percent on sales of 60,369 units, even as supplies of key truck models remain tight. Acura Division sales rose 1.0 percent on sales of 12,946 vehicles for the month, with trucks setting a new September record—gaining 2.4 percent on sales of 9,061 units.
Honda
Strong sales of both cars and trucks fired Honda brand sales gains in September, pushing the brand to new records for both. Civic stole the show, posting a 25.8 percent jump for a new September mark, while Accord gained nearly 10 percent for the month despite being at the end of its lifecycle. On the truck side, HR-V extended its streak of record sales months to 9, while Pilot enjoyed a double-digit gain helped by a recent increase in production volume. However, tight supplies of key models checked sales growth with the remainder of the Honda truck lineup.
Civic sales jumped 25.8 percent on sales of 35,452 to smash its previous September best.
Accord posted a notable total 29,789 sales for the month, gaining 9.5 percent as it continues to buck industry sales trends even in its final days on the market.
HR-V also set a new September mark, extending its 2017 record streak to 9 months with a gain of 17.1 percent on sales of 8,024 units.
Sales of Honda's Pilot rose sharply in September, up 11.8 percent on sales of 10,295 while CR-V posted another strong month of 30,956 despite inventory issues.
"Honda is enjoying a sales situation that, while still favoring truck growth, has been punctuated by new strength on the car side of the equation," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the Automobile Division of American Honda. "After a strong media launch of the 2018 Accord last week, we're excited to see how this great new car contributes in the coming months."
Acura
Acura sales rose slightly in September, continuing a steady pace driven by the on-going strength of the Acura MDX and RDX and supplemented by continued recent gains by Acura's gateway sedan, the ILX, which has performed well above the industry in the segment. Acura trucks set a new September best, driven by the MDX which also set a September record.
ILX sales gained for the fourth straight month, rising 33.4 percent on September sales of 1,222.
With production of the MDX now transferred completely to Ohio, production increases are already reaping benefits as MDX gained 8.9 percent on sales of 5,368 for a new September record.
"Despite softened sales in several key segments where we compete, Acura was able to continue sales gains in September," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of the Acura division. "With production changes helping our MDX inventory, we will continue efforts to gain sales momentum."
^I dont think so. MDX is already a strong seller and then add something that NO OTHER manu. has. instant winner.
the tech NEEDS to trickle down to others in the lineup
Civic leads strong month for Honda car sales, setting new October record with 15 percent gain
All-new 2018 Accord helps America's best-selling midsize car to strong month
Honda Pilot gains 18.5 percent, supported by increased production volume
Acura MDX has strong month with sales of 5,287 based on increased production
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. today reported October sales of 127,353 Honda and Acura vehicles, an increase of 0.9 percent vs. October 2016. With strong sales of passenger cars, Honda Division reported an increase of 1.2 percent on sales of 114,655. Acura Division sales were down slightly at 1.3 percent on sales of 12,698 vehicles.
Honda
Honda delivered another strong month with passenger car sales playing the lead role. Civic outpaced the market again with another double-digit gain while Accord, strengthened by the debut of the all-new 2018 model, gained 4.7 percent in October. Increased production of Pilot also paid dividends as sales climbed 18.5 percent for the month. Elsewhere in the truck lineup, tight supplies of key model trims checked sales growth.
Honda car sales gained 6.3 percent in October, with 60,283 units sold.
Civic sales climbed 15 percent on sales of 30,319 for the month, a new October record.
Accord posted 26,740 sales, up 4.7 percent with the debut of the all-new 2018 model, with 2.0T and Hybrid variants yet to launch.
Pilot sales gained notably in October for the second straight month, with sales up 18.5 percent on sales of 10,285.
"With key competitors resorting to aggressive discounting and heavy incentives even on new models, Honda is riding the growing momentum of a robust product lineup boosted by the all-new Accord," said Jeff Conrad, senior vice president of the Automobile Division of American Honda. "As the rollout of the new 2018 Accord continues, we're focused on a strong finish to 2017 and a 4th consecutive year of record sales."
Acura
Acura sales were led by MDX, which gained again as it benefitted from higher production volume with the complete shift of production to the East Liberty Plant in Ohio. And while sedan and RDX sales were challenged by the aggressive incentives by competitors, the NSX had its best sales month since going on sale in 2016 with a 30 percent gain in October.
MDX sales were up 4.7 percent in October, with 5,287 units sold.
RLX sales are climbing, helped more significantly by the RLX Sport Hybrid as it continues to gain recognition. RLX gained 6.5 percent on sales of 99 units.
ILX sales were up 2.6 percent on sales of 1,025 vehicles.
"We're pleased to see the higher inventory from the move of Acura MDX production quickly result in stronger sales," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of the Acura division. "With the redesigned RLX ready to hit the market in the coming days sporting a strong expression of the new Acura design direction, we'll look to close 2017 with stronger sedan sales."
MDX Hybrid outselling the RLX Hybrid by almost 10:1. Partly attributable to the move to crossovers from sedans, the already strong sales position of the mighty MDX and perhaps the switchover from the 17 to the 18 RLX, but c'mon. The SH RLX is a superb vehicle. I don't understand why buyers are so accepting of the technology in the crossover, but largely ignoring it in the sedan.
^^ And the perception, or reality, depending on your view, is the price of the RLX Hybrid is well above where it should be. I personally think it is well in line with what you get.
The MDX Sport Hybrid is $72000+ up here in Canada which is leading to slow sales. With gas prices on the low side (relatively), buyers can't justify the $4000 difference in price to the non-hybrid traditional SHAWD version with the same trim level. Acura USA had the right idea in keeping the price difference to get the sport hybrid small to introduce more people to the sport hybrid technology so they would understand the PERFORMANCE difference in addition to the fuel economy benefits. Acura Canada seems to have been worried about the Canadian dollar/US dollar exchange rate and they erred on the conservative side with their pricing. If the Sport Hybrid MDX's sit on the lot for much longer, I might just have to swoop in with a low-ball offer for my wife's next vehicle.
American Honda Sets 3rd Straight Annual Sales Record with Best-Ever December
Jan 3, 2018 - TORRANCE, Calif.
American Honda breaks all-time annual record for total Honda and Acura vehicle sales with 1,641,429 units in 2017, a gain of 0.2%
New light truck annual sales mark set for Honda and Acura combined, rising 3.3%
Honda Division sets 4th consecutive annual sales record, up 0.7% on sales of 1,486,827 in 2017 with all-time sales marks for Civic, CR-V and HR-V
Honda trucks achieve best month ever (up 3.4%) and annual (up 4.1%) sales
Acura RDX tops 50,000 units in sales for the third year in a row
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. (AHM) today reported its 3rd consecutive all-time annual sales record on sales of 1,641,429 Honda and Acura vehicles in 2017, an increase of 0.2 percent over its previous best set in 2016. AHM also set new annual and monthly sales records for light trucks, recording 840,450 sales in 2017 for a 3.3 percent gain, and 86,740 sales in December, rising 1.4 percent. The Honda Division also reported record annual sales, gaining 0.7 percent on total vehicle sales of 1,486,827while Honda trucks set new December and annual records, rising 3.4 percent on December sales of 75,856 and 4.1 percent on 2017 sales of 734,269. Total Acura Division sales declined 12.2 percent in December on sales of 15,062, and 4.2 percent in 2017 on total vehicle sales of 154,602.
Honda
With 8 completely new or refreshed models in 2017, including a new generation of electrified vehicles, the Honda brand continued its commitment to strengthening passenger car light truck sales by leveraging its North American production operations to attract a record number of customers for the 4th consecutive year. Honda's effort to better leverage its North America production operations to grow light truck sales continued to pay dividends:
Newly dedicating a production line in Honda's Alabama to Pilot in October helped the three-row SUV to December sales of 18,602, a jump of 54 percent.
CR-V, built at three plants in North America, also posted strong December sales of 36,983 units, to set a new annual sales mark of 377,895 as Honda's best-selling model.
HR-V set a new annual record as well, topping last year's mark by 14.6 percent on sales of 94,034 for the year.
Honda also maintained its unique commitment to passenger car and strong retail sales leadership:
Civic continued its record run with sales of 31,406 units in December on the way to a new all-time annual sales mark of 377,286 units.
The all-new 2018 Accord continued to show strength in the incentive-heavy mid-size segment, as the 2.0 turbo model began to hit showrooms – triggering the full marketing launch set to begin in January. Overall, Accord topped 320,000 sales in 2017.
Sales of the all-new Honda Clarity series of electrified vehicles reached a major milestone with December sales of more than 1,400 units signaling Honda's effort to take electrification mainstream, led by the launch of the all-new 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid in all 50 states.
Overall, Honda Division set the following sales records:
Total vehicles, best ever annual sales – 1,486,827
Trucks, best ever monthly sales – 75,856
Trucks, best ever annual sales – 734,269
"2017 was a terrific year for the Honda brand with the continued fortification of our light truck and passenger car lineups, and a new generation of electrified vehicles combining to reach a record number of new customers for a 4th consecutive year," said Henio Arcangeli, Jr., senior vice president of the Automobile Division & general manager of Honda Sales. "8 all-new or refreshed product launches is an impressive achievement for any car company, but it put us in a strong, competitive position to maintain our unique commitment to retail sales to individual buyers."
Acura
Acura recorded its best sales month in 2017 in December, showing a positive trend with sales increasing over the last 3 months of the year. In addition to strong truck sales for RDX and MDX, sedan sales showed promise with TLX topping 3,000 sales in December.
RDX ended 2017 with 51,295 sales for the year, the only vehicle in the fast-growing entry luxury SUV segment with 3 consecutive years above 50,000 units in sales – a critical foundation for the all-new RDX Prototype that will make its world debut the North American International Auto Show this month.
"The continued strength of the RDX is a great foundation for the next-generation RDX we will debut to the world in prototype form in Detroit later this month," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of Acura Sales. "This is the first in a new generation of Acura products based on our Precision Crafted Performance brand direction and we're pleased to reach this moment with growing momentum for the Acura brand."
American Honda Sets 3rd Straight Annual Sales Record with Best-Ever December
Jan 3, 2018 - TORRANCE, Calif.
American Honda breaks all-time annual record for total Honda and Acura vehicle sales with 1,641,429 units in 2017, a gain of 0.2%
New light truck annual sales mark set for Honda and Acura combined, rising 3.3%
Honda Division sets 4th consecutive annual sales record, up 0.7% on sales of 1,486,827 in 2017 with all-time sales marks for Civic, CR-V and HR-V
Honda trucks achieve best month ever (up 3.4%) and annual (up 4.1%) sales
Acura RDX tops 50,000 units in sales for the third year in a row
American Honda Motor Co., Inc. (AHM) today reported its 3rd consecutive all-time annual sales record on sales of 1,641,429 Honda and Acura vehicles in 2017, an increase of 0.2 percent over its previous best set in 2016. AHM also set new annual and monthly sales records for light trucks, recording 840,450 sales in 2017 for a 3.3 percent gain, and 86,740 sales in December, rising 1.4 percent. The Honda Division also reported record annual sales, gaining 0.7 percent on total vehicle sales of 1,486,827while Honda trucks set new December and annual records, rising 3.4 percent on December sales of 75,856 and 4.1 percent on 2017 sales of 734,269. Total Acura Division sales declined 12.2 percent in December on sales of 15,062, and 4.2 percent in 2017 on total vehicle sales of 154,602.
Honda
With 8 completely new or refreshed models in 2017, including a new generation of electrified vehicles, the Honda brand continued its commitment to strengthening passenger car light truck sales by leveraging its North American production operations to attract a record number of customers for the 4th consecutive year. Honda's effort to better leverage its North America production operations to grow light truck sales continued to pay dividends:
Newly dedicating a production line in Honda's Alabama to Pilot in October helped the three-row SUV to December sales of 18,602, a jump of 54 percent.
CR-V, built at three plants in North America, also posted strong December sales of 36,983 units, to set a new annual sales mark of 377,895 as Honda's best-selling model.
HR-V set a new annual record as well, topping last year's mark by 14.6 percent on sales of 94,034 for the year.
Honda also maintained its unique commitment to passenger car and strong retail sales leadership:
Civic continued its record run with sales of 31,406 units in December on the way to a new all-time annual sales mark of 377,286 units.
The all-new 2018 Accord continued to show strength in the incentive-heavy mid-size segment, as the 2.0 turbo model began to hit showrooms – triggering the full marketing launch set to begin in January. Overall, Accord topped 320,000 sales in 2017.
Sales of the all-new Honda Clarity series of electrified vehicles reached a major milestone with December sales of more than 1,400 units signaling Honda's effort to take electrification mainstream, led by the launch of the all-new 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid in all 50 states.
Overall, Honda Division set the following sales records:
Total vehicles, best ever annual sales – 1,486,827
Trucks, best ever monthly sales – 75,856
Trucks, best ever annual sales – 734,269
"2017 was a terrific year for the Honda brand with the continued fortification of our light truck and passenger car lineups, and a new generation of electrified vehicles combining to reach a record number of new customers for a 4th consecutive year," said Henio Arcangeli, Jr., senior vice president of the Automobile Division & general manager of Honda Sales. "8 all-new or refreshed product launches is an impressive achievement for any car company, but it put us in a strong, competitive position to maintain our unique commitment to retail sales to individual buyers."
Acura
Acura recorded its best sales month in 2017 in December, showing a positive trend with sales increasing over the last 3 months of the year. In addition to strong truck sales for RDX and MDX, sedan sales showed promise with TLX topping 3,000 sales in December.
RDX ended 2017 with 51,295 sales for the year, the only vehicle in the fast-growing entry luxury SUV segment with 3 consecutive years above 50,000 units in sales – a critical foundation for the all-new RDX Prototype that will make its world debut the North American International Auto Show this month.
"The continued strength of the RDX is a great foundation for the next-generation RDX we will debut to the world in prototype form in Detroit later this month," said Jon Ikeda, vice president & general manager of Acura Sales. "This is the first in a new generation of Acura products based on our Precision Crafted Performance brand direction and we're pleased to reach this moment with growing momentum for the Acura brand."
The RLX still leads its small segment by a hefty margin. I would like to know how many were 2017 vs 2018s. Did the new discounted price or availability cause the increase? Or was it the 2017 blowouts?
08-03-2017, 08:35 AM
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