Is the RLX a failure?
01-23-2013, 09:35 PM
#81
exterior styling isn't completed yet, and minor mods like wheels and a drop may change the whole appearence of a car.
Of course, sometimes there are body kits.
Either way, you can still answer the question
Of course, sometimes there are body kits.
Either way, you can still answer the question
01-23-2013, 09:50 PM
#82
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
The car doesn't grab me.
If I bought cars simply by the reviews I would be driving an M3.
When I bought my 2001 TL, I really liked the body style back then. When I saw the 2nd gen RL I REALLY liked it and I was torn between that and the Lexus GS, but the RL grabbed me more.
Same goes goes with my Cadillac CTS coupe. I loved the style, even though it may not be the most practical.
Now all of these cars weren't class leaders in acceleration or handling, but they were no slouches either. It has to be the complete package.
The RLX just didn't move me enough to have to start car payments again. Like someone else said, every car I have owned I have caught myself looking over my shoulder at it as I walk away in a parking lot. I don't see that (with me) with the RLX.
01-23-2013, 11:18 PM
#83
First off, I started this by telling you that you can't compare the handling of these two cars fairly because of the tire differences. Then you argue with me back and forth about how the tires don't matter. Now you say, "I bet if u put same tires on both handling will be pretty similar." Are you mentally challenged? That's what I said from the beinning.
A GS is going to handle better than an ES because it is a RWD sport sedan and an ES is a softly sprung cruiser. You're really great at comparing apples to oranges.
The RX400h with the 19" wheel option runs a 235/55R19. The Highlander Hybrid runs a 245/55R19. They both are a "55" series profile so you're wrong, again.
Good lord. Just stop arguing. You obviously have nothing to add to this thread...possibly this entire forum in general. Do you notice how you have a total of 11 "thanked" posts out of the 2,400+ times you've posted on this forum? That means that, in general, you have nothing relevant to contribute when you post, which is pretty obvious considering the way this thread has gone.
A GS is going to handle better than an ES because it is a RWD sport sedan and an ES is a softly sprung cruiser. You're really great at comparing apples to oranges.
The RX400h with the 19" wheel option runs a 235/55R19. The Highlander Hybrid runs a 245/55R19. They both are a "55" series profile so you're wrong, again.
Good lord. Just stop arguing. You obviously have nothing to add to this thread...possibly this entire forum in general. Do you notice how you have a total of 11 "thanked" posts out of the 2,400+ times you've posted on this forum? That means that, in general, you have nothing relevant to contribute when you post, which is pretty obvious considering the way this thread has gone.
Highlander hybrid posted 0.74g while RX hybrid 0.77g. this difference is entirely due to tire side wall difference. 55 series side wall for 245 width tire is much higher than 55 series sidewall for 235 width tire. There is reason for the taller ground clearance of Highlander. since Highlander is taller RX. its handling is worse. There is no fundamental difference between two vehicles except for tires.
You can swap tires of MDX and Pilot and Pilot still wont handle like MDX.
since MDX is from ground designed for larger tires and better handling.
GS is not handling better because it is RWD. Its designed to handle better than ES. your still not getting this point. RWD and handling has no relationship.
01-23-2013, 11:21 PM
#84
The fact that you can argue that the TL and Accord are not on the same platform when it is common knowledge that it has been from the start proves that you don't know hat you are talking about.
I'm done with you. You don't know what you are talking about. Same goes for you inane arguments on tires and handling.
I'm done with you. You don't know what you are talking about. Same goes for you inane arguments on tires and handling.
01-24-2013, 04:25 PM
#85
Proof that the Integra was good for Acura
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/just-bought-my-rl-878871/
https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-rl-2005-2012-76/just-bought-my-rl-878871/
01-24-2013, 04:59 PM
#86
Drifting
Everyone who has owned a TL that's worth their salt knows that they're based on the same platform as the Accord. You arguing otherwise shows just how much you don't know what you're talking about.
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01-24-2013, 09:24 PM
#89
Drifting
did u even understood why i posted highlander hybrid and RX hybrid examples?
Highlander hybrid posted 0.74g while RX hybrid 0.77g. this difference is entirely due to tire side wall difference. 55 series side wall for 245 width tire is much higher than 55 series sidewall for 235 width tire. There is reason for the taller ground clearance of Highlander. since Highlander is taller RX. its handling is worse. There is no fundamental difference between two vehicles except for tires.
You can swap tires of MDX and Pilot and Pilot still wont handle like MDX.
since MDX is from ground designed for larger tires and better handling.
GS is not handling better because it is RWD. Its designed to handle better than ES. your still not getting this point. RWD and handling has no relationship.
Highlander hybrid posted 0.74g while RX hybrid 0.77g. this difference is entirely due to tire side wall difference. 55 series side wall for 245 width tire is much higher than 55 series sidewall for 235 width tire. There is reason for the taller ground clearance of Highlander. since Highlander is taller RX. its handling is worse. There is no fundamental difference between two vehicles except for tires.
You can swap tires of MDX and Pilot and Pilot still wont handle like MDX.
since MDX is from ground designed for larger tires and better handling.
GS is not handling better because it is RWD. Its designed to handle better than ES. your still not getting this point. RWD and handling has no relationship.
235/55R19 = 5.1" sidewall
245/55R19 = 5.3" sidewall
Difference between a tire with full tread and a tire that is worn out = .28" (9/32nds of an inch)
That means there is more of a difference in overall diameter of a new tire and a tire that is on the wear bars than there is from a 235/55 and a 245/55.
Just stop. You have nothing. You are trying to say that cars built on the same platforms are not actually built on the same platforms because of handling difference. The tweaks to the suspension/wheels/tires does not mean they are not built on the same platform.
THE TL IS BUILT ON THE SAME PLATFORM AS A HONDA ACCORD! THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT WHATSOEVER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
The fact that you're still sitting here arguing this is absolutely absurd. You've been proven wrong by numerous members in this thread but you still keep coming back to show us how just how little you know about the automotive world. Congratulations.
01-24-2013, 10:33 PM
#90
Drifting
Hey SSFTSX, since you're such a brainiac and know so much about cars, maybe you should write to the editors at these automotive magazines/blogs and let them know how wrong they are about the TL being based off the Honda Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
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01-24-2013, 10:39 PM
#91
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Hey SSFTSX, since you're such a brainiac and know so much about cars, maybe you should write to the editors at these automotive magazines/blogs and let them know how wrong they are about the TL being based off the Honda Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
The Accord and TL don't share the same platform because along with different suspension, they also use a different grade of leather. Let's also not forget that Acura offers a longer warranty. How could they share the same platform with those differences?!
01-24-2013, 11:36 PM
#92
See MDX has 36.5 feet turning circle with 255 size tires.
Honda Accord has 39 feet turning circle from 215 size tires. Acura TL SH-AWD has 38.4 feet turning circle from 245/19 size tires.
See all these suspensions are completely different and designed from different loads. I am not even going into speed of turning circle. I can turn my TSX in 36 feet turning circle much faster than Civic with 35 feet turning circle.
01-24-2013, 11:38 PM
#93
Hey SSFTSX, since you're such a brainiac and know so much about cars, maybe you should write to the editors at these automotive magazines/blogs and let them know how wrong they are about the TL being based off the Honda Accord:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/acura-tl-road-test
From the above Car&Driver article:
"However, we understand why Acura continues to chase competing rear-drive sports sedans with its front-drive TL-an all-new platform costs big bucks, and more important, a terrific front-drive platform (the Honda Accord's) is readily available."
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...tl-sh-awd-6mt/
From the above article:
" But then the Accord was super-sized, and took its Acura platform mate with it."
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...cura-tl-sh-awd
From the above article:
"...it's true that the TL remains built on the same platform as the best-selling Honda Accord sedan."
http://www.jdpower.com/content/detai...ArticleId=1476
From the above article:
"Again sharing platforms with the Honda Accord..."
Here's a review Sunnyside Acura, an Acura dealership:
http://www.sunnysideacura.com/review...troduction.htm
From the above article:
"Based on the Honda Accord platform, the 2009 Acura TL is larger than the car it replaces..."
^^^I Googled "Acura TL Honda Accord Platform" and pulled all of these links just from the first page of results. I guess you must be so much smarter than Car&Driver, J.D. Power and Acura themselves.
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01-25-2013, 12:06 AM
#94
Lol. Just stop man. Let's do an exact measurement comparison here just for you:
235/55R19 = 5.1" sidewall
245/55R19 = 5.3" sidewall
Difference between a tire with full tread and a tire that is worn out = .28" (9/32nds of an inch)
That means there is more of a difference in overall diameter of a new tire and a tire that is on the wear bars than there is from a 235/55 and a 245/55.
Just stop. You have nothing. You are trying to say that cars built on the same platforms are not actually built on the same platforms because of handling difference. The tweaks to the suspension/wheels/tires does not mean they are not built on the same platform.
THE TL IS BUILT ON THE SAME PLATFORM AS A HONDA ACCORD! THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT WHATSOEVER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
The fact that you're still sitting here arguing this is absolutely absurd. You've been proven wrong by numerous members in this thread but you still keep coming back to show us how just how little you know about the automotive world. Congratulations.
235/55R19 = 5.1" sidewall
245/55R19 = 5.3" sidewall
Difference between a tire with full tread and a tire that is worn out = .28" (9/32nds of an inch)
That means there is more of a difference in overall diameter of a new tire and a tire that is on the wear bars than there is from a 235/55 and a 245/55.
Just stop. You have nothing. You are trying to say that cars built on the same platforms are not actually built on the same platforms because of handling difference. The tweaks to the suspension/wheels/tires does not mean they are not built on the same platform.
THE TL IS BUILT ON THE SAME PLATFORM AS A HONDA ACCORD! THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT WHATSOEVER. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD!
The fact that you're still sitting here arguing this is absolutely absurd. You've been proven wrong by numerous members in this thread but you still keep coming back to show us how just how little you know about the automotive world. Congratulations.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ad-test-review
To recap: While the 535i was with us, we replaced two wheels (one front, one rear) and six tires (four worn, two damaged), and we repaired four wheels. The total bill for this, not including installation (which runs $163 for a full tire swap): $4474. We would have saved some cash had we purchased the 535i from a dealership and been upsold on the new BMW Tire & Wheel Protection program ($1389 for five years for a 5-series) because a $50 deductible covers replacement wheels and tires.
If it were not for the wheel and tire problems, the 535i would have finished its C/D tour of duty with very few strikes against it, one being that it was too thin in the options department. This was our fault—we underestimated how truly soft we’d become. But it’s a 5er that a hardier soul, or one who lives in a warm state, would buy.
The bigger problem is that, while the F10 535i gained 193 pounds and maintained its 51/49-percent weight distribution, its wheels weren’t beefed up for the extra 100 pounds carried by the front axle. Our first wheel specialist saw it right away: The wheels are soft. If you do find yourself in the market for a 535i like this one, a word of advice: Avoid potholes. That ought to be easy enough in a climate where you don’t need heated seats.
To recap: While the 535i was with us, we replaced two wheels (one front, one rear) and six tires (four worn, two damaged), and we repaired four wheels. The total bill for this, not including installation (which runs $163 for a full tire swap): $4474. We would have saved some cash had we purchased the 535i from a dealership and been upsold on the new BMW Tire & Wheel Protection program ($1389 for five years for a 5-series) because a $50 deductible covers replacement wheels and tires.
If it were not for the wheel and tire problems, the 535i would have finished its C/D tour of duty with very few strikes against it, one being that it was too thin in the options department. This was our fault—we underestimated how truly soft we’d become. But it’s a 5er that a hardier soul, or one who lives in a warm state, would buy.
The bigger problem is that, while the F10 535i gained 193 pounds and maintained its 51/49-percent weight distribution, its wheels weren’t beefed up for the extra 100 pounds carried by the front axle. Our first wheel specialist saw it right away: The wheels are soft. If you do find yourself in the market for a 535i like this one, a word of advice: Avoid potholes. That ought to be easy enough in a climate where you don’t need heated seats.
01-25-2013, 12:11 AM
#95
If we just say that the TL does not share the Accord platform, but in fact uses some other platform (let's call it 'Not Accord'), will you stop?
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01-25-2013, 01:52 AM
#96
Drifting
Seriously SSFTSX, you are quite possibly the dumbest member on this entire forum. Please do us all a favor and just deactivate your account and go play around on the Chevy Cobalt forums. Just don't tell them the Cobalt, Pontiac G5 and Saturn Ion are not all built off the same platform or they'll probably kick you to the curb from there too.
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01-25-2013, 09:09 AM
#97
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Additionally, Honda isn't going to advertise that their premium model is derived from it's more less expensive cousin. To the common folks (people who don't understand the need for platform sharing), it cheapens the brand.
If I were to use your logic, show me where Toyota or Lexus advertises that the ES is based on the Camry.
The Cadillac XTS is based on the Buick LaCrosse. Show me any official GM site that will advertise that.
I said I wouldn't debate you, but I couldn't help myself On this one. Seriously, you need to just go away.
01-25-2013, 09:15 AM
#98
You two do realize you're arguing with the Automotive News troll right? 
I think 90% of the people in there have him on their ignore list. He argues against logic pretty often. I mean saying warranties and grade of leather have to do with platform sharing is pretty funny
I think 90% of the people in there have him on their ignore list. He argues against logic pretty often. I mean saying warranties and grade of leather have to do with platform sharing is pretty funny
01-25-2013, 10:16 AM
#100
Oh I was talking about SSFTSX i thought he made that comment 
Funny now that i go back and read it. Its pretty common knowledge that all of the Acura sedans are based off an Accord. I don't see how one could argue otherwise
Funny now that i go back and read it. Its pretty common knowledge that all of the Acura sedans are based off an Accord. I don't see how one could argue otherwise
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01-25-2013, 10:31 AM
#101
Good God, that disclaimer pertains to slight discrepancies. The sources given are considered industry experts with inside information on technical specifications. Making inaccurate statements about vehicle platforms would damage their credibility, and I am sure Acura would make them retract or correct those claims.
Acura has put there detailed description on website regarding chasis.That long explaination is for reason to explain to the uneducated that TL is unique in platform.
Additionally, Honda isn't going to advertise that their premium model is derived from it's more less expensive cousin. To the common folks (people who don't understand the need for platform sharing), it cheapens the brand.
If I were to use your logic, show me where Toyota or Lexus advertises that the ES is based on the Camry.
The Cadillac XTS is based on the Buick LaCrosse. Show me any official GM site that will advertise that.
I said I wouldn't debate you, but I couldn't help myself On this one. Seriously, you need to just go away.
If I were to use your logic, show me where Toyota or Lexus advertises that the ES is based on the Camry.
The Cadillac XTS is based on the Buick LaCrosse. Show me any official GM site that will advertise that.
I said I wouldn't debate you, but I couldn't help myself On this one. Seriously, you need to just go away.
http://mg.co.za/article/2009-11-04-g...raps-opel-sale
German fury after GM scraps Opel sale
German fury after GM scraps Opel sale
Acura TL has very clear differentiation. It is not like Civic EX and Civic Si.
TL is designed from ground up for larger wheels and wider tires along with much heavier weight that give better motion control and isolation at higher cornering speeds.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews.../steering.html
The Acura's steering is lightning quick, with an overall ratio nearly as fast as a Mitsubishi Evo's, and its thick rim communicates more feedback to the driver, especially at the limit
The Acura's steering is lightning quick, with an overall ratio nearly as fast as a Mitsubishi Evo's, and its thick rim communicates more feedback to the driver, especially at the limit
http://www.autoweek.com/article/2012...IEWS/120909921
The ride is pliant and has the standard “executive feel” I have come to expect from this segment. It doesn't wallow like some; it handles well and leaves the driver feeling connected without the drama of a super-tight high-performance suspension.
The ride is a good mix of comfort and handling. I only winced a few times over large potholes that I couldn't avoid. I'd bet the higher curb weight helps in that area. The car feels sticky and solid through corners, but offers some give when you really need it.
Body motions are always kept in check and ride quality is comfortable enough. Yes, bigger road bumps will be felt, but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to live with for improved cornering ability.
The ride is pliant and has the standard “executive feel” I have come to expect from this segment. It doesn't wallow like some; it handles well and leaves the driver feeling connected without the drama of a super-tight high-performance suspension.
The ride is a good mix of comfort and handling. I only winced a few times over large potholes that I couldn't avoid. I'd bet the higher curb weight helps in that area. The car feels sticky and solid through corners, but offers some give when you really need it.
Body motions are always kept in check and ride quality is comfortable enough. Yes, bigger road bumps will be felt, but that's a tradeoff I'm willing to live with for improved cornering ability.
01-25-2013, 11:37 AM
#102
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Cars can be built off of the same platform and have different suspension set up. Your point about different suspension and handling is irrelevant. The MDX and Odyssey are also built on the Accord platform and they all have different suspensions and tires, so your argument doesn't make sense. As someone else said, you are great at being selective with your facts (comparing apples to oranges).
You said that the Acura TL can't be based off of the Accord because it's not on Honda's website. Show me where Toyota advertises that the ES is based off of the Camry.
Show me where Cadillac shares the fact that the XTS and LaCrosse share platforms (they do). Your GM/Opel comment had nothing to do with what I asked you.
You said that the Acura TL can't be based off of the Accord because it's not on Honda's website. Show me where Toyota advertises that the ES is based off of the Camry.
Show me where Cadillac shares the fact that the XTS and LaCrosse share platforms (they do). Your GM/Opel comment had nothing to do with what I asked you.
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01-25-2013, 12:41 PM
#103
Drifting
I guess the Cadillac Escalade is not built off the Chevy Tahoe platform because it doesn't say that anywhere on Cadillac's website. No luxury car manufacturer is going to have a disclaimer of sorts on their website that their luxury sedan is actually built on the same platform as a lesser brand's family sedan that costs $10k+ less. We own a 2007 Acura TL. My mom owns a 2003 Honda Accord. I've spent many hours behind the wheel of both cars. They are definitely built on the same platform. Anybody that wants to try to refute that is an absolute moron, period.
SSFTSX, for you to try to say that companies like Car&Driver and J.D. Power are unreliable sources and that, basically, they are just plain wrong in their information, is unheard of. What makes you a higher automotive authority than them? It is widely common knowledge that these are shared platforms. You can't believe how stupid you sound right now. Were you dropped on your head as a child? At this point in time, my 12 year old niece is a more reliable automotive resource than you are. Again, "thanked" 11 times in 2,442 posts...goes to show how much useful information you contribute to this forum.
SSFTSX, for you to try to say that companies like Car&Driver and J.D. Power are unreliable sources and that, basically, they are just plain wrong in their information, is unheard of. What makes you a higher automotive authority than them? It is widely common knowledge that these are shared platforms. You can't believe how stupid you sound right now. Were you dropped on your head as a child? At this point in time, my 12 year old niece is a more reliable automotive resource than you are. Again, "thanked" 11 times in 2,442 posts...goes to show how much useful information you contribute to this forum.
01-25-2013, 12:57 PM
#104
Drifting
Tire sizing is not some great mystery by the way. You can find figure out exact measurements by doing simple math.
245mm multiplied by 0.55=134.75mm which converts to 5.3"
235mm multiplied by 0.55=129.25mm which converts to 5.1"
In case you didn't know that's how you calculate a tire's sidewall, section width multiplied by the aspect ratio. You can also Google "tire size calculator" and you'll find a ton of online calculators that will do all the math for you. Of course, I'm sure they're all probably wrong in their results too. I'd say you could also go to any tire manufacturer's website and look up exact specs/dimensions of all of their tires but, as it seems from your posts on this website, I'm sure that won't be enough for you either. You seem to be the ultimate automotive authority on the internet.
245mm multiplied by 0.55=134.75mm which converts to 5.3"
235mm multiplied by 0.55=129.25mm which converts to 5.1"
In case you didn't know that's how you calculate a tire's sidewall, section width multiplied by the aspect ratio. You can also Google "tire size calculator" and you'll find a ton of online calculators that will do all the math for you. Of course, I'm sure they're all probably wrong in their results too. I'd say you could also go to any tire manufacturer's website and look up exact specs/dimensions of all of their tires but, as it seems from your posts on this website, I'm sure that won't be enough for you either. You seem to be the ultimate automotive authority on the internet.
01-25-2013, 03:59 PM
#105
Wiki
An automobile platform is a shared set of common design, engineering, and production efforts, as well as major components over a number of outwardly distinct models and even types of automobiles, often from different, but related marques.[2] It is practiced in the automotive industry to reduce the costs associated with the development of products by basing those products on a smaller number of platforms. This further allows companies to create distinct models from a design perspective on similar underpinnings.[2]
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An automobile platform is a shared set of common design, engineering, and production efforts, as well as major components over a number of outwardly distinct models and even types of automobiles, often from different, but related marques.[2] It is practiced in the automotive industry to reduce the costs associated with the development of products by basing those products on a smaller number of platforms. This further allows companies to create distinct models from a design perspective on similar underpinnings.[2]
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01-25-2013, 04:18 PM
#106
Drifting
Wiki
An automobile platform is a shared set of common design, engineering, and production efforts, as well as major components over a number of outwardly distinct models and even types of automobiles, often from different, but related marques.[2] It is practiced in the automotive industry to reduce the costs associated with the development of products by basing those products on a smaller number of platforms. This further allows companies to create distinct models from a design perspective on similar underpinnings.[2]
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An automobile platform is a shared set of common design, engineering, and production efforts, as well as major components over a number of outwardly distinct models and even types of automobiles, often from different, but related marques.[2] It is practiced in the automotive industry to reduce the costs associated with the development of products by basing those products on a smaller number of platforms. This further allows companies to create distinct models from a design perspective on similar underpinnings.[2]
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01-25-2013, 04:28 PM
#107
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01-25-2013, 05:14 PM
#108
Drifting
01-25-2013, 08:35 PM
#110
Great post, Keith. I agree with the Lexus analogy you made about LS being the halo car and the increasing sales volume coming from lesser Lexus offerings. The LS was the company during 1990- 1998. The Legend was Acura during its early days. The RLX is Acura's halo car and also Honda's low volume vehicle for trying out avant guard technology. There will not be many RLX cars on the road, ever. Acura's money is made in their volume vehicles: ILX, TLX, MDX and RDX.
Hey, for those own a very low volume RLX SH-AWD, theirs is the world of true "stealth wealth" as the Acura national manager put it a couple years ago.
Hey, for those own a very low volume RLX SH-AWD, theirs is the world of true "stealth wealth" as the Acura national manager put it a couple years ago.
01-25-2013, 09:32 PM
#111
This is not to say that this niche could be just a 'niche of a niche' but these people do exist and back in '05 when the current RL was fresh, many chose it over the other choices exactly because it wasn't flashy.
01-25-2013, 09:40 PM
#112
Cars can be built off of the same platform and have different suspension set up. Your point about different suspension and handling is irrelevant. The MDX and Odyssey are also built on the Accord platform and they all have different suspensions and tires, so your argument doesn't make sense. As someone else said, you are great at being selective with your facts (comparing apples to oranges).
You said that the Acura TL can't be based off of the Accord because it's not on Honda's website. Show me where Toyota advertises that the ES is based off of the Camry.
Show me where Cadillac shares the fact that the XTS and LaCrosse share platforms (they do). Your GM/Opel comment had nothing to do with what I asked you.
You said that the Acura TL can't be based off of the Accord because it's not on Honda's website. Show me where Toyota advertises that the ES is based off of the Camry.
Show me where Cadillac shares the fact that the XTS and LaCrosse share platforms (they do). Your GM/Opel comment had nothing to do with what I asked you.
you have to read the specification. do u see any difference? brake size is the same indicating practically the same mass to stop.
http://www.lexus.com/models/ES/specs/
Independent MacPherson struts with inversely wound coil springs, gas-pressurized shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
Independent dual-link MacPherson struts with coil springs, gas-pressurized shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
11.6-in ventilated front, 11.0-in solid rear discs
Independent MacPherson struts with inversely wound coil springs, gas-pressurized shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
Independent dual-link MacPherson struts with coil springs, gas-pressurized shock absorbers and stabilizer bar
11.6-in ventilated front, 11.0-in solid rear discs
http://www.toyota.com/avalon/specs.html
MacPherson strut front suspension with offset coil springs and stabilizer bar; dual-link independent MacPherson strut rear suspension with offset coil springs and stabilizer bar
Power-assisted ventilated 11.65-inch front disc brakes; solid 11-inch rear disc brakes with hydraulic brake booster, Electronically Controlled Braking (ECB) and Star Safety System™
MacPherson strut front suspension with offset coil springs and stabilizer bar; dual-link independent MacPherson strut rear suspension with offset coil springs and stabilizer bar
Power-assisted ventilated 11.65-inch front disc brakes; solid 11-inch rear disc brakes with hydraulic brake booster, Electronically Controlled Braking (ECB) and Star Safety System™
http://www.acura.com/Chassis.aspx?mo...modelYear=2013
Front stabilizer bar, mm 30.0: TL
31.0: TL SH-AWD
Rear stabilizer bar, mm 19.0 solid: TL
20.0 x 4.5: TL SH-AWD
Front brake discs 12.6" ventilated
Rear brake discs 13.2" solid
Front stabilizer bar, mm 30.0: TL
31.0: TL SH-AWD
Rear stabilizer bar, mm 19.0 solid: TL
20.0 x 4.5: TL SH-AWD
Front brake discs 12.6" ventilated
Rear brake discs 13.2" solid
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...up=engineering
Every platform has limitation for weight and strength. otherwise why BMW dont use BMW 3 series platform for BMW 5 series. (it has to use BMW 7 series thats why BMW 5 is heavy). and there is less difference between BMW 3 and BMW 5 series than between Accord and TL for weight and strength. BMW 3 can pull as many g forces as BMW 5 using the same wheel size.
why Toyota is using LandCruiser platform for LX 570 but not using Toyota 4Runner for LX570. as i said every design has limitations. using 4Runner platform cannot take the load of LX570. and strengthing 4Runner chasis for LX570 will make platform so heavy that 4Runner will become overweight.
01-25-2013, 09:48 PM
#113
Drifting
I think you underestimate the number of people who can afford the more expensive and prestigious brands but don't want them for personal reasons. Some might want the 'niceties' but don't want the attention. Some are in sales where a car that is 'too' expensive sends the wrong message (depending on clientele).
This is not to say that this niche could be just a 'niche of a niche' but these people do exist and back in '05 when the current RL was fresh, many chose it over the other choices exactly because it wasn't flashy.
This is not to say that this niche could be just a 'niche of a niche' but these people do exist and back in '05 when the current RL was fresh, many chose it over the other choices exactly because it wasn't flashy.
01-25-2013, 10:40 PM
#114
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
I didnot simply mention only this part. i gave u link to TL chasis. which is unique.
you have to read the specification. do u see any difference? brake size is the same indicating practically the same mass to stop.
look at size of stablizer bar and brake size. When you put so much weight. you design the whole chasis for extra strength and this in addition to forces of larger wheels and wider tires
Accord
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...up=engineering
Every platform has limitation for weight and strength. otherwise why BMW dont use BMW 3 series platform for BMW 5 series. (it has to use BMW 7 series thats why BMW 5 is heavy). and there is less difference between BMW 3 and BMW 5 series than between Accord and TL for weight and strength. BMW 3 can pull as many g forces as BMW 5 using the same wheel size.
why Toyota is using LandCruiser platform for LX 570 but not using Toyota 4Runner for LX570. as i said every design has limitations. using 4Runner platform cannot take the load of LX570. and strengthing 4Runner chasis for LX570 will make platform so heavy that 4Runner will become overweight.
you have to read the specification. do u see any difference? brake size is the same indicating practically the same mass to stop.
look at size of stablizer bar and brake size. When you put so much weight. you design the whole chasis for extra strength and this in addition to forces of larger wheels and wider tires
Accord
http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...up=engineering
Every platform has limitation for weight and strength. otherwise why BMW dont use BMW 3 series platform for BMW 5 series. (it has to use BMW 7 series thats why BMW 5 is heavy). and there is less difference between BMW 3 and BMW 5 series than between Accord and TL for weight and strength. BMW 3 can pull as many g forces as BMW 5 using the same wheel size.
why Toyota is using LandCruiser platform for LX 570 but not using Toyota 4Runner for LX570. as i said every design has limitations. using 4Runner platform cannot take the load of LX570. and strengthing 4Runner chasis for LX570 will make platform so heavy that 4Runner will become overweight.
Again you make no sense.
Your statements about measurements are meaningless. Even though the Odyssey, MDX and Pilot share a platform, their chassis have slight differences tailored to their purpose as a vehicle.
You said that the Accord and the TL are not the same platform because it is not on Honda's site.
Show me where Toyota says that the Camry and the ES share a platform.
Show me where Cadillac says that the Tahoe and the Escalade share a platform.
Show me where Cadillac says that the XTS and the LaCross share a platform.
Show me!
01-25-2013, 11:46 PM
#115
4Runner platform for all three vehicles as it is the lightest and cheapest?. and difference in wheel base is 2inch. It is like diffence between Accord Coupe and Accord sedan wheel base. as i said there is some thing else beside measurements that impact choice of platform.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser
The KDSS suspension allows massive amounts of wheel articulation and with automatic sway bar disconnect the Land Cruiser is able to boast an RTI score (550) more than 12 times that of the same-year Ford Explorer (45).
The KDSS suspension allows massive amounts of wheel articulation and with automatic sway bar disconnect the Land Cruiser is able to boast an RTI score (550) more than 12 times that of the same-year Ford Explorer (45).
Your statements about measurements are meaningless. Even though the Odyssey, MDX and Pilot share a platform, their chassis have slight differences tailored to their purpose as a vehicle.
Every component has to specifically developed to counter the weight, road height, cornering force.
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/ac...ra-mdx-chassis
Available with the Advance Package are 19x8.5-inch 7-spoke aluminum wheels with Michelin Latitude Tour HP P255/50R19 all-season tires that were specially developed for the MDX by Michelin engineers. The tires offer outstanding traction in dry and wet conditions, while maintaining a high level of snow/ice traction. Of particular interest, the MDX's tires have been specially designed to deliver a 5-percent reduction in rolling resistance— thus helping to improve fuel economy. The 4-wheel disc brakes on the 2012 MDX are the largest brake system ever featured on a production Acura vehicle, an honor shared with the ZDX. The brake system is engineered to provide best-in-class braking performance in dry conditions, as well as while driving in rain, snow or icy conditions.
Available with the Advance Package are 19x8.5-inch 7-spoke aluminum wheels with Michelin Latitude Tour HP P255/50R19 all-season tires that were specially developed for the MDX by Michelin engineers. The tires offer outstanding traction in dry and wet conditions, while maintaining a high level of snow/ice traction. Of particular interest, the MDX's tires have been specially designed to deliver a 5-percent reduction in rolling resistance— thus helping to improve fuel economy. The 4-wheel disc brakes on the 2012 MDX are the largest brake system ever featured on a production Acura vehicle, an honor shared with the ZDX. The brake system is engineered to provide best-in-class braking performance in dry conditions, as well as while driving in rain, snow or icy conditions.
You said that the Accord and the TL are not the same platform because it is not on Honda's site.
Show me where Toyota says that the Camry and the ES share a platform.
Show me where Cadillac says that the Tahoe and the Escalade share a platform.
Show me where Cadillac says that the XTS and the LaCross share a platform.
Show me!
Show me where Cadillac says that the XTS and the LaCross share a platform.
Show me!
http://www.truckinweb.com/tech/body/...e/viewall.html
Tahoe to Cadillac Conversion - Chevy Escalade
Tahoe to Cadillac Conversion - Chevy Escalade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Epsi...#Super_Epsilon
A new version of the Epsilon, dubbed , debuted in 2008. It is adaptable for front and all-wheel drive applications. In long wheelbase format, Epsilon II supports US EPA Large Cars, allowing GM to replace the H, K. and W platforms. The architecture was developed by Opel in Rüsselsheim, Germany.[1]
2008-present Opel Insignia, Buick Regal (saloon, liftback, estate) (SWB)
2010-present Buick LaCrosse/Alpheon (LWB)
2010-2012 Saab 9-5 (LWB)
2012-present Roewe 950 (LWB)[2]
2013-present Chevrolet Malibu, Holden Malibu (SWB)
2013-present Cadillac XTS (LWB)
2014 Chevrolet Impala (LWB)
A new version of the Epsilon, dubbed , debuted in 2008. It is adaptable for front and all-wheel drive applications. In long wheelbase format, Epsilon II supports US EPA Large Cars, allowing GM to replace the H, K. and W platforms. The architecture was developed by Opel in Rüsselsheim, Germany.[1]
2008-present Opel Insignia, Buick Regal (saloon, liftback, estate) (SWB)
2010-present Buick LaCrosse/Alpheon (LWB)
2010-2012 Saab 9-5 (LWB)
2012-present Roewe 950 (LWB)[2]
2013-present Chevrolet Malibu, Holden Malibu (SWB)
2013-present Cadillac XTS (LWB)
2014 Chevrolet Impala (LWB)
3G TL was derived from 7G accord. and for Type S they have to lower the car to produce handling performance and that with 17inch rims. 4G TL dont have such compromise as it is not inhibited by Accord platform.
01-25-2013, 11:58 PM
#116
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
I know Landcruiser and LX570 are same platform. but why dont they use
4Runner platform for all three vehicles as it is the lightest and cheapest?. and difference in wheel base is 2inch. It is like diffence between Accord Coupe and Accord sedan wheel base. as i said there is some thing else beside measurements that impact choice of platform.
Again another claim with MDX without any substance. do they have 37feet turn radius on wide and tall tires?.
Every component has to specifically developed to counter the weight, road height, cornering force.
I only said Honda never mentioned Accord and 4G TL relationship. I gave u the link to 4G TL. u can pretty much read the each component of 4G TL platform.
Read the link that i provide from Toyota and Lexus. Do u find any difference?. or u want me to put wheel size and brake size, turn circles, weights. to show u that both vehicles are exactly the same.
Go read there specification and capabilities on website. they are on same platforms.
3G TL was derived from 7G accord. and for Type S they have to lower the car to produce handling performance and that with 17inch rims. 4G TL dont have such compromise as it is not inhibited by Accord platform.
4Runner platform for all three vehicles as it is the lightest and cheapest?. and difference in wheel base is 2inch. It is like diffence between Accord Coupe and Accord sedan wheel base. as i said there is some thing else beside measurements that impact choice of platform.
Again another claim with MDX without any substance. do they have 37feet turn radius on wide and tall tires?.
Every component has to specifically developed to counter the weight, road height, cornering force.
I only said Honda never mentioned Accord and 4G TL relationship. I gave u the link to 4G TL. u can pretty much read the each component of 4G TL platform.
Read the link that i provide from Toyota and Lexus. Do u find any difference?. or u want me to put wheel size and brake size, turn circles, weights. to show u that both vehicles are exactly the same.
Go read there specification and capabilities on website. they are on same platforms.
3G TL was derived from 7G accord. and for Type S they have to lower the car to produce handling performance and that with 17inch rims. 4G TL dont have such compromise as it is not inhibited by Accord platform.
They don't use the 4Runner platform BECAUSE they are different vehicles. i don't know why you brought that vehicle into the discussion.
The Accord and the TL are similar vehicles derived from the same platform. you are the only person who can't understand it. just like the Camry and the ES.
Again, you said the TL and Accord can't be on the same platform because it's not on Honda's website, yet you say that the ES and the Camry are the same.
Using your logic, Toyota should say so. Show me.
01-26-2013, 12:20 AM
#117
The Accord and the TL are similar vehicles derived from the same platform. you are the only person who can't understand it. just like the Camry and the ES.
Again, you said the TL and Accord can't be on the same platform because it's not on Honda's website, yet you say that the ES and the Camry are the same.
Using your logic, Toyota should say so. Show me.
Using your logic, Toyota should say so. Show me.
There is constraints for using platforms.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...-cadillac-xts/
Engineers might have tried stretching the STS, or re-skinning the DTS yet again, but cash was in short supply so Caddy found their platform further down the food chain. Engineers took the Epsilon II platform (shared with everything from the Opel Insignia to the Roewe 950), stretched it to 202-inches long and hey-presto, the XTS was born. Unfortunately Cadillac wasn’t allowed to change the platform hard points, so the same 111.7-inch wheelbase and 62-inch track as the rest of the Epsilon rabble remains
Engineers might have tried stretching the STS, or re-skinning the DTS yet again, but cash was in short supply so Caddy found their platform further down the food chain. Engineers took the Epsilon II platform (shared with everything from the Opel Insignia to the Roewe 950), stretched it to 202-inches long and hey-presto, the XTS was born. Unfortunately Cadillac wasn’t allowed to change the platform hard points, so the same 111.7-inch wheelbase and 62-inch track as the rest of the Epsilon rabble remains
01-26-2013, 08:58 AM
#118
2012 Cadillac CTS-V Coupe
Blah Blah Blah
This is what you said. Show me "official links" about the Camry and ES.
I won't argue the rest because you clearly don't know what you're talking about and it's obvious not just to me, but most people here.
Show me.