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03-11-2013, 05:51 AM
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If you watch this video the new Genesis appears to have LED headlights and some decent taillights as well. Hyundai is really putting the pressure on. While I suspect Hyundai would like the Genesis to be a serious competitor to the RLX I suspect the real world target that it will be cross shopped with the most is the TLX. If they add all the goodies of the RLX into a Genesis for $10K less then they will sell a lot of cars. It may be a Hyundai, but I would rather put the $10K back in my pocket, most Genesis owners seem to be very happy and the reliability seems to be very good.
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/03/sco...an-filmed.html
http://www.carscoops.com/2013/03/sco...an-filmed.html
03-11-2013, 08:46 AM
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If that is what the Genesis will look like, it will be a good looker and a hot seller. The thing with Hyundai is that it is always competing against its "poor perception" image. Kia/Hyundai are by far offering more goodies for an aggressive price and amazing styling....many people will stay away just because of the name. There is no doubt that this is not just in the top end of the line but right across the board. I don't have a problem with Hyundai per se....I just hate the interior of the Genesis at the moment, if they improve it, I would look at it more seriously.
03-11-2013, 10:56 AM
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Went to a Hyundai dealer this weekend to look at some trade in inventory. And although the staff was nice, polite, etc I couldn't imagine buying a Genesis for 60k+ and having to go there to have it serviced, hmm... I guess that's how GT-R owners feel like when they have their vehicles serviced by the dealer.
03-11-2013, 11:26 AM
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Went to a Hyundai dealer this weekend to look at some trade in inventory. And although the staff was nice, polite, etc I couldn't imagine buying a Genesis for 60k+ and having to go there to have it serviced, hmm... I guess that's how GT-R owners feel like when they have their vehicles serviced by the dealer.
03-11-2013, 12:23 PM
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Went to a Hyundai dealer this weekend to look at some trade in inventory. And although the staff was nice, polite, etc I couldn't imagine buying a Genesis for 60k+ and having to go there to have it serviced, hmm... I guess that's how GT-R owners feel like when they have their vehicles serviced by the dealer.
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Not many luxury car buyers arm their custom-optioned vehicles to the teeth with options. Similarly, not many luxury car buyers buy bare-bone base vehicles either.
Most buyers will build their base vehicles up with accessories and options that they desire and that they don't mind paying for.
But whether it is the badge or the options that constitute a luxury vehicle, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the base-5-series-with-custom-options is a luxury-branded sedan with buyer-picked luxury options, that costs thousands of $ less than other fully-loaded competitors.
What matters is that luxury vehicle buyers aren't forced to have unnecessary/unwanted options being stuffed inside their mouths, and also aren't forced to pay extra and unnecessary money for them.
I fully understand Acura's standard-factory-trim product strategy. The point I want to make is that it doesn't seem fair when people start comparing the fully-loaded RLX with a custom-order equivalent-loaded German luxury sedan.
It is obvious that the fully-loaded RLX is cheaper that way. But most buyers don't custom-order their German luxury sedans in the same configuration as the fully-loaded RLX.
So when one starts comparing a custom-order German luxury sedan, that is built with more realistically picked options, with the fully-loaded RLX, the RLX will end up costing thousands of $ more.
Most buyers will build their base vehicles up with accessories and options that they desire and that they don't mind paying for.
But whether it is the badge or the options that constitute a luxury vehicle, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the base-5-series-with-custom-options is a luxury-branded sedan with buyer-picked luxury options, that costs thousands of $ less than other fully-loaded competitors.
What matters is that luxury vehicle buyers aren't forced to have unnecessary/unwanted options being stuffed inside their mouths, and also aren't forced to pay extra and unnecessary money for them.
I fully understand Acura's standard-factory-trim product strategy. The point I want to make is that it doesn't seem fair when people start comparing the fully-loaded RLX with a custom-order equivalent-loaded German luxury sedan.
It is obvious that the fully-loaded RLX is cheaper that way. But most buyers don't custom-order their German luxury sedans in the same configuration as the fully-loaded RLX.
So when one starts comparing a custom-order German luxury sedan, that is built with more realistically picked options, with the fully-loaded RLX, the RLX will end up costing thousands of $ more.
For instance, if you do something like, get a base 5 series, load it up with one option that is only available once you get the RLX Advance (i.e. Lane keep assist). Then the RLX would cost a few grand more. All the extra features in the RLX are meaningless since you don't want them.
03-11-2013, 02:05 PM
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I see what you mean and I can imagine some scenarios already...
For instance, if you do something like, get a base 5 series, load it up with one option that is only available once you get the RLX Advance (i.e. Lane keep assist). Then the RLX would cost a few grand more. All the extra features in the RLX are meaningless since you don't want them.
For instance, if you do something like, get a base 5 series, load it up with one option that is only available once you get the RLX Advance (i.e. Lane keep assist). Then the RLX would cost a few grand more. All the extra features in the RLX are meaningless since you don't want them.
03-11-2013, 03:18 PM
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KeithL....You are correct that Hyundai Dealers will come and pick up your Equus and drop it back but that to me would be a NO GO! I hate even having my dealer driving my car on the lot let alone from my home to the dealership. I am extremely anal about who drives my car and the same thing applies to who washes it - I never allow my dealer to do the "courtesy wash".
03-11-2013, 03:22 PM
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Very nice car, I like it! Unfortunately, most folks out there are not as sophisticated or knowledgable as the folks on this forum. They just know brands, and I'm not sure the Hyundai brand is "there" yet.
03-11-2013, 05:07 PM
#51
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KeithL....You are correct that Hyundai Dealers will come and pick up your Equus and drop it back but that to me would be a NO GO! I hate even having my dealer driving my car on the lot let alone from my home to the dealership. I am extremely anal about who drives my car and the same thing applies to who washes it - I never allow my dealer to do the "courtesy wash".
03-11-2013, 05:53 PM
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no problem 
Yea, I guess there are different kinds of people in this world. And if you really want a luxury vehicle with many standalone options to choose from without any packages, then Acura is definitely not for you.....at least for now.
03-12-2013, 12:06 AM
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At least for BMW, netting euro delivary bypasses dealer vehicle limits (e.g, current 335i are deliberately limited in dealer volume, in the USA), and nets a lower price, to boot. However, you must wait around 2 months, and must travel to Germany...
On the other hand, don't use their website to configure cars: it's not accurate. You can line order most items you want, and omit the ones you don't. There are certain limitations, such as getting the M-Sport spoilers without the M-Sport package, however, you can get parking sensors, cameras, adaptive suspension, etc, seperately of the packages they come in. Same deal with leather, heated seats, and even the 4 way power lumbar support.
IIRC, it's the same deal with Lexus, except you have to wait almost 3 months for the car, instead of BMW's shorter wait.
On the other hand, don't use their website to configure cars: it's not accurate. You can line order most items you want, and omit the ones you don't. There are certain limitations, such as getting the M-Sport spoilers without the M-Sport package, however, you can get parking sensors, cameras, adaptive suspension, etc, seperately of the packages they come in. Same deal with leather, heated seats, and even the 4 way power lumbar support.
IIRC, it's the same deal with Lexus, except you have to wait almost 3 months for the car, instead of BMW's shorter wait.
03-12-2013, 01:21 PM
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This was a real life buying experience for a $50K premium sedan, for buyers like myself who isn't loaded with cash and who always want to get the most out of his/her hard-earned $50K cash.
This is a cross-shopping experience that only those, who really put $50K on the line, will go through; and not those who just sit behind the desk clicking on the keyboard and have nothing to lose, will realize and appreciate.
Back some time ago, I passed on the 2G RL and bought a C6 A6 with custom options. Not only had I saved $3K Cdn, the auto brand also came with whole lot more prestige.
So I can imagine that, in reality, there are a whole lot more than "some buyers" like me, who have passed on the RL sedan for similar reasons, and help contributing to the most dismay sales of the most expensive Acura sedan (2G RL) in Acura's 25-year history.
03-12-2013, 05:51 PM
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This ain't no theory.
This was a real life buying experience for a $50K premium sedan, for buyers like myself who isn't loaded with cash and who always want to get the most out of his/her hard-earned $50K cash.
This is a cross-shopping experience that only those, who really put $50K on the line, will go through; and not those who just sit behind the desk clicking on the keyboard and have nothing to lose, will realize and appreciate.
Back some time ago, I passed on the 2G RL and bought a C6 A6 with custom options. Not only had I saved $3K Cdn, the auto brand also came with whole lot more prestige.
So I can imagine that, in reality, there are a whole lot more than "some buyers" like me, who have passed on the RL sedan for similar reasons, and help contributing to the most dismay sales of the most expensive Acura sedan (2G RL) in Acura's 25-year history.
This was a real life buying experience for a $50K premium sedan, for buyers like myself who isn't loaded with cash and who always want to get the most out of his/her hard-earned $50K cash.
This is a cross-shopping experience that only those, who really put $50K on the line, will go through; and not those who just sit behind the desk clicking on the keyboard and have nothing to lose, will realize and appreciate.
Back some time ago, I passed on the 2G RL and bought a C6 A6 with custom options. Not only had I saved $3K Cdn, the auto brand also came with whole lot more prestige.
So I can imagine that, in reality, there are a whole lot more than "some buyers" like me, who have passed on the RL sedan for similar reasons, and help contributing to the most dismay sales of the most expensive Acura sedan (2G RL) in Acura's 25-year history.
The RL did well at the very beginning, despite being a one trim no option model. But others quickly got updated (530i becoems 535i, GS got refreshed, A6 got new powertrain, W211 E Class got its facelift, followed by the introduction of W2012. Oh, there's also the Infiniti M that came out in 2006. In less than a year, the RL became outdated.
03-13-2013, 10:30 AM
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lol relax man. He is a totally different type of buyer than you are and to him, what you do probably makes little sense to him (and vice versa).
The RL did well at the very beginning, despite being a one trim no option model. But others quickly got updated (530i becoems 535i, GS got refreshed, A6 got new powertrain, W211 E Class got its facelift, followed by the introduction of W2012. Oh, there's also the Infiniti M that came out in 2006. In less than a year, the RL became outdated.
The RL did well at the very beginning, despite being a one trim no option model. But others quickly got updated (530i becoems 535i, GS got refreshed, A6 got new powertrain, W211 E Class got its facelift, followed by the introduction of W2012. Oh, there's also the Infiniti M that came out in 2006. In less than a year, the RL became outdated.
03-13-2013, 11:10 AM
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This ain't no theory.
This was a real life buying experience for a $50K premium sedan, for buyers like myself who isn't loaded with cash and who always want to get the most out of his/her hard-earned $50K cash.
This is a cross-shopping experience that only those, who really put $50K on the line, will go through; and not those who just sit behind the desk clicking on the keyboard and have nothing to lose, will realize and appreciate.
Back some time ago, I passed on the 2G RL and bought a C6 A6 with custom options. Not only had I saved $3K Cdn, the auto brand also came with whole lot more prestige.
So I can imagine that, in reality, there are a whole lot more than "some buyers" like me, who have passed on the RL sedan for similar reasons, and help contributing to the most dismay sales of the most expensive Acura sedan (2G RL) in Acura's 25-year history.
This was a real life buying experience for a $50K premium sedan, for buyers like myself who isn't loaded with cash and who always want to get the most out of his/her hard-earned $50K cash.
This is a cross-shopping experience that only those, who really put $50K on the line, will go through; and not those who just sit behind the desk clicking on the keyboard and have nothing to lose, will realize and appreciate.
Back some time ago, I passed on the 2G RL and bought a C6 A6 with custom options. Not only had I saved $3K Cdn, the auto brand also came with whole lot more prestige.
So I can imagine that, in reality, there are a whole lot more than "some buyers" like me, who have passed on the RL sedan for similar reasons, and help contributing to the most dismay sales of the most expensive Acura sedan (2G RL) in Acura's 25-year history.
03-13-2013, 11:55 AM
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You know what's best for you. I just don't understand the reasoning or self deception behind someone walking with their nose way up in the air because they're in a 50k stripper of a vehicle with a badge.
Disclaimer: I'm not "loaded", I make a middle class income and my wife's income is just something I see as an extra, but then again I'm just 26, with little responsibilities; aka lot of disposable income. People that talk about prestige beause their car has a "badge" remind me of Alan Partridge talking about Lexus www.youtube.com/watch?v=YllyBr_4Kxk. 50k sedan is just not that serious. Being in a 50k sedan (and actually being able to afford it w/out living in someones basement/having roomates), says I'm doing well and in the words of Young Jeeze "You ain't ballin".
Disclaimer: I'm not "loaded", I make a middle class income and my wife's income is just something I see as an extra, but then again I'm just 26, with little responsibilities; aka lot of disposable income. People that talk about prestige beause their car has a "badge" remind me of Alan Partridge talking about Lexus www.youtube.com/watch?v=YllyBr_4Kxk. 50k sedan is just not that serious. Being in a 50k sedan (and actually being able to afford it w/out living in someones basement/having roomates), says I'm doing well and in the words of Young Jeeze "You ain't ballin".
A fully-loaded sedan doesn't automatically equal to luxury, and a premium-brand sedan with custom options doesn't automatically equal to non-luxury.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you couldn't afford a $50K premium sedan. All I'm saying is that until that time comes, it is hard to imagine, at the back of the computer, the various thinking processes that one must go through when he/she is really serious about putting $50K hard-earned cash on the line. To me, $50K is a LOT of money, and presumably this applies to the major population too.
It is more helpful to read those real life buying experiences from premium sedan shoppers why some picked the RL and why some passed on the RL, rather than from others who have no intention to cross-shop or buy one.
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03-13-2013, 12:49 PM
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I believe HeartTLs drives a 4G TL AWD which is not quite at $50k, but not too far from it. I'm not sure about him, but being at the same age as he is, we probably share the same view on a few things. For me, if I could spend $50k on a car, I'd be looking for one that is loaded with gadgets so that I can show them to my friends. Like HeartTLs, I often wonder, other than the perceived prestige, why people bother buying base BMW 323i/328i.
03-13-2013, 10:46 PM
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I believe HeartTLs drives a 4G TL AWD which is not quite at $50k, but not too far from it. I'm not sure about him, but being at the same age as he is, we probably share the same view on a few things. For me, if I could spend $50k on a car, I'd be looking for one that is loaded with gadgets so that I can show them to my friends. Like HeartTLs, I often wonder, other than the perceived prestige, why people bother buying base BMW 323i/328i.
Cough, cough, just picked up a 12' AWD/ADV, it's awesome!
03-13-2013, 11:14 PM
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I believe HeartTLs drives a 4G TL AWD which is not quite at $50k, but not too far from it. I'm not sure about him, but being at the same age as he is, we probably share the same view on a few things. For me, if I could spend $50k on a car, I'd be looking for one that is loaded with gadgets so that I can show them to my friends. Like HeartTLs, I often wonder, other than the perceived prestige, why people bother buying base BMW 323i/328i.
03-14-2013, 12:36 AM
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Maybe I'm just different but if I wanted to drop $60k+ on a luxury car, I would want a badge that is either a 3-pointed star, something that starts with Bavarian, or even an L. I couldn't care less about what it has or doesn't, as 99% of the people will only see the outside and the badge and will judge me by what I am driving, not by what is inside my car. For example, when I used to own an bare boned '05 C-class sport 4-banger, I got tons of stares and compliments while my fully loaded '04 RX330 got none!
IMO, Acura has been facing this problem and will continue to do so because it is not recognized as a top tier luxury brand, i.e. VW Phateon. That thing had some of the coolest features but failed miserably due to its name and perception.
03-14-2013, 08:06 AM
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Maybe I'm just different but if I wanted to drop $60k+ on a luxury car, I would want a badge that is either a 3-pointed star, something that starts with Bavarian, or even an L. I couldn't care less about what it has or doesn't, as 99% of the people will only see the outside and the badge and will judge me by what I am driving, not by what is inside my car. For example, when I used to own an bare boned '05 C-class sport 4-banger, I got tons of stares and compliments while my fully loaded '04 RX330 got none!
IMO, Acura has been facing this problem and will continue to do so because it is not recognized as a top tier luxury brand, i.e. VW Phateon. That thing had some of the coolest features but failed miserably due to its name and perception.
IMO, Acura has been facing this problem and will continue to do so because it is not recognized as a top tier luxury brand, i.e. VW Phateon. That thing had some of the coolest features but failed miserably due to its name and perception.
) and still feel as "I make this look good". If I lived my life trying to please others and not myself I'd be a sheep and I've always considered the opposite. Whats most important is what car made you feel better when you were in it as a driver/passanger and not because of the reception you recieved. Personally I see a hummer on the street/highway/anywhere and think to myself, "what a fking idiot", but hey as long as they like that 4 ton flying brick that's all that matters; not every vehicle is designed for the masses.
03-14-2013, 09:59 AM
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Maybe I'm just different but if I wanted to drop $60k+ on a luxury car, I would want a badge that is either a 3-pointed star, something that starts with Bavarian, or even an L. I couldn't care less about what it has or doesn't, as 99% of the people will only see the outside and the badge and will judge me by what I am driving, not by what is inside my car. For example, when I used to own an bare boned '05 C-class sport 4-banger, I got tons of stares and compliments while my fully loaded '04 RX330 got none!
IMO, Acura has been facing this problem and will continue to do so because it is not recognized as a top tier luxury brand, i.e. VW Phateon. That thing had some of the coolest features but failed miserably due to its name and perception.
IMO, Acura has been facing this problem and will continue to do so because it is not recognized as a top tier luxury brand, i.e. VW Phateon. That thing had some of the coolest features but failed miserably due to its name and perception.
03-14-2013, 12:55 PM
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lol guys, relax. Just different people with different views on things. What silver3.5 said is true though, that most people would just look at the logo and think you are loaded (or not). Some people just want to spend the minimal amount of money to get that sort of attention, and we can't really say they are wrong. I personally like to use the minimal amount of money to get the most features/power/etc for my own enjoyment. I'd take the extra features over the prestige any time, any day of the week.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
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03-14-2013, 04:30 PM
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lol guys, relax. Just different people with different views on things. What silver3.5 said is true though, that most people would just look at the logo and think you are loaded (or not). Some people just want to spend the minimal amount of money to get that sort of attention, and we can't really say they are wrong. I personally like to use the minimal amount of money to get the most features/power/etc for my own enjoyment. I'd take the extra features over the prestige any time, any day of the week.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
03-14-2013, 06:17 PM
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In 2009 I bought a CMBS RL that stickered 55k (rounded up a bit), last Sunday I went to check out the RLX and I saw a Tech package for the same price.
with the new RLX I gain P-AWS but lose SH-AWD
I lose CMBS, cooled seats, and a bunch of other things.
I do get P-AWS. Oh...and a smaller engine with 10 more hp and better fuel economy.
I just don't think that makes them equal. Feel free to throw other little things I missed but I feel like the RLX is less of a bargain than the RL ever was as the price seems to have shot up and I can't justify it based on the MSRP.
Maybe they are trying to match their competitors but they sure can't match them selves.
Maybe the exchange rate went to sh!t and I just don't realize by how much, but I can still get a fully loaded Korean Genesis and get most of the features that came on my 55k RL @ 44k msrp (no SH-AWD here, and none on the FWD RLX obviously).
I do have to note that my main reason for buying the RL was SH-AWD so I was pretty pi$$ed that the base model ended up FWD.
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here is how I see it.
In 2009 I bought a CMBS RL that stickered 55k (rounded up a bit), last Sunday I went to check out the RLX and I saw a Tech package for the same price.
with the new RLX I gain P-AWS but lose SH-AWD
I lose CMBS, cooled seats, and a bunch of other things.
I do get P-AWS. Oh...and a smaller engine with 10 more hp and better fuel economy.
I just don't think that makes them equal. Feel free to throw other little things I missed but I feel like the RLX is less of a bargain than the RL ever was as the price seems to have shot up and I can't justify it based on the MSRP.
Maybe they are trying to match their competitors but they sure can't match them selves.
Maybe the exchange rate went to sh!t and I just don't realize by how much, but I can still get a fully loaded Korean Genesis and get most of the features that came on my 55k RL @ 44k msrp (no SH-AWD here, and none on the FWD RLX obviously).
I do have to note that my main reason for buying the RL was SH-AWD so I was pretty pi$$ed that the base model ended up FWD.
In 2009 I bought a CMBS RL that stickered 55k (rounded up a bit), last Sunday I went to check out the RLX and I saw a Tech package for the same price.
with the new RLX I gain P-AWS but lose SH-AWD
I lose CMBS, cooled seats, and a bunch of other things.
I do get P-AWS. Oh...and a smaller engine with 10 more hp and better fuel economy.
I just don't think that makes them equal. Feel free to throw other little things I missed but I feel like the RLX is less of a bargain than the RL ever was as the price seems to have shot up and I can't justify it based on the MSRP.
Maybe they are trying to match their competitors but they sure can't match them selves.
Maybe the exchange rate went to sh!t and I just don't realize by how much, but I can still get a fully loaded Korean Genesis and get most of the features that came on my 55k RL @ 44k msrp (no SH-AWD here, and none on the FWD RLX obviously).
I do have to note that my main reason for buying the RL was SH-AWD so I was pretty pi$$ed that the base model ended up FWD.
1.) 2009 RL Tech vs 2014 RLX Tech
2.) 2009 RL CMBS vs 2014 RLX Advance
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03-14-2013, 07:30 PM
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Yea, I guess that's why brand reputation is so important if you want to charge premium.
$55k in 2009 is equivalent to $60700 in 2014 dollars assuming 2% inflation. On the other hand, $54500 (price of RLX Tech) is the same as $49k using the same rate. Base on this alone, it's probably not a valid to compare the RLX Tech with the 2009 RL CMBS. FYI, $49k in 2009 would have bought you a RL with tech pkg. And $60k in 2014 would get you the RLX advance. So, a valid comparison would be the following:
1.) 2009 RL Tech vs 2014 RLX Tech
2.) 2009 RL CMBS vs 2014 RLX Advance
$55k in 2009 is equivalent to $60700 in 2014 dollars assuming 2% inflation. On the other hand, $54500 (price of RLX Tech) is the same as $49k using the same rate. Base on this alone, it's probably not a valid to compare the RLX Tech with the 2009 RL CMBS. FYI, $49k in 2009 would have bought you a RL with tech pkg. And $60k in 2014 would get you the RLX advance. So, a valid comparison would be the following:
1.) 2009 RL Tech vs 2014 RLX Tech
2.) 2009 RL CMBS vs 2014 RLX Advance
03-14-2013, 08:17 PM
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Solid about the numbers, not so solid about the equipment. You are still getting less, even if we assume it is for the same price. I get the whole inflation argument, but it's not as simple as that, we would also need to know the variation in the Japanese currency vs US currency.
Bottom line, we got a FWD car for the price of what used to be the best AWD system available and I don't think that is acceptable.
Bottom line, we got a FWD car for the price of what used to be the best AWD system available and I don't think that is acceptable.
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03-14-2013, 10:30 PM
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I tend to agree with 037. Technology comes down in price thats why it trickles down
03-14-2013, 10:36 PM
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Solid about the numbers, not so solid about the equipment. You are still getting less, even if we assume it is for the same price. I get the whole inflation argument, but it's not as simple as that, we would also need to know the variation in the Japanese currency vs US currency.
Bottom line, we got a FWD car for the price of what used to be the best AWD system available and I don't think that is acceptable.
Bottom line, we got a FWD car for the price of what used to be the best AWD system available and I don't think that is acceptable.
Infact FWD Accord sport has better handling than SH-AWD RL. There is nothing in RLX that is less than RL when you look at objective numbers.
03-14-2013, 10:43 PM
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I'd like to see a 2012 RL go head to head on a course with a 2014 RLX Paws
03-14-2013, 11:09 PM
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2009 RL 0.82g and 64mph.
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rl/2009...est-specs.html
tire is grand touring all season.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....toModClar=with Technology and CMBS / ACC
2013 RLX 0.82g and 63.3 mile. RLX has primacy tires which is more efficiency oriented than regular MXM.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...rack-test.html
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....toModClar=with Advance package
Most Primacy MXM4 tires meet Michelin's Green X standard* for low rolling resistance that confirms the tire's contribution to reducing vehicle fuel consumption and emissions of CO2 gases. The Primacy MXM4 is designed to blend a quiet, comfortable ride, responsive handling and enhanced fuel efficiency with year-round all-season traction, even in light snow.
http://www.edmunds.com/acura/rl/2009...est-specs.html
tire is grand touring all season.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....toModClar=with Technology and CMBS / ACC
2013 RLX 0.82g and 63.3 mile. RLX has primacy tires which is more efficiency oriented than regular MXM.
http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/t...rack-test.html
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....toModClar=with Advance package
Most Primacy MXM4 tires meet Michelin's Green X standard* for low rolling resistance that confirms the tire's contribution to reducing vehicle fuel consumption and emissions of CO2 gases. The Primacy MXM4 is designed to blend a quiet, comfortable ride, responsive handling and enhanced fuel efficiency with year-round all-season traction, even in light snow.
03-15-2013, 01:57 AM
#78
2G TLX-S
03-15-2013, 02:51 AM
#79
2G TLX-S
I believe HeartTLs drives a 4G TL AWD which is not quite at $50k, but not too far from it. I'm not sure about him, but being at the same age as he is, we probably share the same view on a few things. For me, if I could spend $50k on a car, I'd be looking for one that is loaded with gadgets so that I can show them to my friends. Like HeartTLs, I often wonder, other than the perceived prestige, why people bother buying base BMW 323i/328i.
Like you said above with your inflation adjustment, a $50K premium sedan back in 2005 is no longer $50K in 2013, but has become $58K now in 2013.
We belong to two different groups of premium sedan buyers. You would rather spend the money in acquiring as many high-tech gadgets as possible over brand name, and show off the gadgets to your friends. But I would spend the money in only desired gadgets I find useful, as well as in brand name, if I have a choice to make in buying the RLX/A6/5-series/GS/E-class class premium sedan.
lol guys, relax. Just different people with different views on things. What silver3.5 said is true though, that most people would just look at the logo and think you are loaded (or not). Some people just want to spend the minimal amount of money to get that sort of attention, and we can't really say they are wrong. I personally like to use the minimal amount of money to get the most features/power/etc for my own enjoyment. I'd take the extra features over the prestige any time, any day of the week.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
So back on topic, whether the RLX is overpriced or not, it really depends on what type of person you are.
While back on topic, after I've gone through most of the threads in this RLX sub-forum, I find there are a lot more members here thinking that the FWD RLX is way overpriced than is a bargain buy.
Just count how many $ signs following the RLX, in the title of this thread.
03-15-2013, 08:02 AM
#80
Improved handling can be measured on a race course, but low speed traction anyone can experience while "accidentally" giving too much power on a slippery road or while going into a turn. There is no substitute to AWD at this point.
My main point being, after owning a fully loaded 09 RL CMBS for 2.5 years that RLX P-AWS is a downgrade to RL SH-AWD.
All the other features are nice, but that which makes the car move is more important.