George Knighton

I can't help it.

I know you're going to call me names, but I can't help it.

:-)

I'm going to try to find a way to get those little add-on front lip pieces.

neuronbob

The only name I'll call you is "pioneer".

George Knighton

The guy who sold us the LEGEND badges?

I'm trying to talk him into getting them from a Japanese Honda dealer and shipping them over. :-)

George Knighton

No luck yet. :-(

Rez

Bringing this back from the dead.. Updates? I have a contact in Thailand that makes custom body kits for Hondas, maybe he can give me some info

George Knighton

I gave up and just went on with life.

I note with interest, though, that the wheels are now an expensive option in the KC1 and KC2 lines.

neuronbob

George, having been in NSX-Land (ie NSX Prime and their associated Facebook feeds) for a year, I have found that there are many folks with connections in Japan, who regularly broker JDM parts shipments to the USA. An alternative is to find what you need on Yahoo Japan and to have someone who lives there and has access. I used a broker to get those JDM lighted Legend sills I haven't had time to install.

Welcome to AZ, Rez.

George Knighton

I'm not going to worry about it right now. Maybe when or if I ever get the car back. :-)

chu_viet

I've been looking to get the front lip pieces also lol
I wish they made full lip kit for this car

George Knighton

JDM Genuine 04 07 Acura Honda Legend 3 5 RL KB1 Modulo Rear Bumper w Lower Lip | eBay

What in the world? Who would ever....?

LOL....

That's the kind of thing that turns up when I search for JDM Legend body parts. The 5G stuff isn't really showing up, but when it does, it'll probably be every bit as ridiculous.

:-)

neuronbob

^^^
That is ridiculous. Further, it's in Hong Kong, so shipping something of an unwieldy size like that will cost hundreds. Wowsers.

Rez

i bit the bullet and ordered the modulo front under spoilers from japan. got them today and installed, gotta say i'm quite pleased for such a subtle add-on.

George Knighton

Any trouble with translating color codes to equal North American colors?

They're starting to show up here and there, although at quite a price.

Do you mind saying where you got it and what it cost?

Rez

I got them from jdmyamato.com, which also has an ebay listing. He lists the colors by name and Honda part #, but in my case- my bellanova white pearl is the same as his listed orchid white pearl, and it matches perfectly. It cost a lil over $700 with shipping, took about 2 weeks. No instructions, just templates where to drill holes. Took about an hour, hardest part was popping the clips off underneath the bumper, the rest was a breeze, as I am quite familiar with installing lip kits on Hondas

George Knighton

That's exactly what I wanted to know. :-)

But it's still too much money, I think, and I'm probably going to just stay away from it.

Thanks very much for your help.

wstr75

Rez, sounds like a great modification. We look forward to seeing pictures of your car with the lip kit.

Rez

Yeah I fought with buying it or not because of the price, but it's not the 1st time I have paid for styling modifications that were pricey LOL and yes I will post pics after I have my coilovers installed wednesday

Rez

As promised, here are pics of the modulo front lips. It rained a day or two ago, so look past the dirtyness..

pgeorg

It looks great! Those wheels and tires would last a couple of hours here in NY

Is the ride still compliant enough?

Rez

Haha yeah I hear alot about the NY streets in my 8th Gen Honda forum that I'm still part of. My coilover dampening settings are on soft so it is comparable to stock but the low profile tires let me feel every imperfection in the asphalt LOL- it's a trade off that I'm used to, but the next set of tires I get will be a lil "beefier" but still low profile. It's still surprisingly smooth until I hit rough patches that I can't avoid.

pgeorg

Cool! Last question: Out of curiosity what coilovers did you use, and did you change the ride height at all?

Thanks Rez.

Rez

I went with BC coilovers and I lowered it just a tad over an inch. I am familiar with the brand as I had the same coilovers on my '11 accord. Now it's my own version of "SH-P-AWS"

pgeorg

Excellent! Ha, you are too funny!

Thank you Rez.

neuronbob

Which BC coilover set did you use? That'd be helpful to future modders, especially those with 2014 RLXs with the poorer-performing stock setup? They're a popular "budget mod" in the NSX world.

Thanks for being the pioneer both with the Modulo lip and the coilovers. Were I not leasing, I'd think about doing a coilover set to improve the suspension.

Rez

They are the BR-type A-98, I assume they fit all RLX models because when I ordered them, they didn't differentiate between P-AWS and SH-AWD, and the shop I ordered them through called and verified it. They do have the option to customize the spring rates but it was unnecessary in my case. I'm still tweaking the settings to get mine perfect, dampening and height wise..

silverTL6

iTrader: (2)

Great choice of lips/rims...they fit the RLX's character way better than the Mugen accessories, which are a bit too much IMO...

Limelight

Love the wheels, lip and drop. Very nice!

Jakes_tl

Hey Rez I think you forgot to put tires on your wheels or am i blind?

neuronbob

I think we established from holographique's experience with the suspension of his 2014 RLX that the suspension for the PAWS and the Sport Hybrid are the same, or at the least, very similar. Do post about your street tuning the suspension in the Tires/wheels/suspension section as you proceed. I'm very interested in how it goes, as it's not just about a drop, it's about performance and safety. Also, do you know what rate the springs in this coilover are for the RLX?

neuronbob

PS, for those curious like me:

https://store.bcracing-na.com/dr-ser...016-p5771.aspx

Spring rates are 12 kg front and 7 kg rear. Swift spring update available, but no spring rates for those listed.

Mod bug starting to gnaw on my ear a little.....maybe will find a way to keep my SH after all....I don't need lowered, I just want improved performance....hmmmm......

George Knighton

Wow. I'm not sure what to think of that. It seems kind of low for such a heavy car, and coming from my driving experience, I would be tempted to reverse the spring rates.

:-)

I'm leaving mine alone. The suspension is soft enough to allow for comfortable distance driving, and the car's OEM tuning allows the driver to point the nose effectively and enjoy handling better than most big cars.

I dunno. I sympathize...but I think I'm leaving mine alone.

And after seeing the Modulo lip on a living car instead of the catalogue view from the most attractive angle, I'm even less inclined to spend close to 700.00 to get one.

It's a matter of taste, of course. But as time goes on, I'm more inclined to leave it alone.

pgeorg

What do you mean by this comment, George? Do you mind explaining a little further?

Thank you!

George Knighton

If you want a FWD-bias vehicle to rotate more quickly, you put the heavier springs on the rear.

This way, when you go off throttle to brakes quickly, the nose comes down harder onto the tyres, creating bigger contact patches, so that when you turn the wheel, you're turning RIGHT NOW.

It's cheaper than the JDM way. The JDM N1 way of designing a suspension has the heavier springs on the nose, in order to slow down quick transitions.

But if they have to do that, then they will end up with huge sway bars on the rear of the car, and radical negative camber on the nose of the car.

Drivers of cars set up this way will tend to be more violent, and tend to left foot brake more often, in order to upset the car and cause oversteer where they need it.

So it's easier for some of us, and cheaper, to just put the heavy springs on the rear to start with. :-)

There's lots of different ways to design a suspension to that a FWD-bias car will still oversteer when you need it. It can take years of experimenting, but you can do it a lot of different ways.

Find an H1 champion on the East Coast and put him across from an H1 champion on the West Coast, and watch the suspension argument develop.

The Californians were influenced from the beginning of their endeavors by their close contact with Spoon's Ichishima and the N1 efforts of both Spoon and Mugen, together with the influence of the big parts importers like Opak (and before Opak, those guys in British Columbia who I'm embarrassed to say I've forgot their names at the moment).

The East Coast guys were just starting out, and invented the series themselves with no big money, so they were trying to do it an all-American way, and just made it up as they went along. And one of the things they decided was to put the big springs on the rear to increase the natural rotation by allowing for the weight transfer to hit the front tyres.

pgeorg

Oh great explanation! You truly are a wealth of information!

I take it this setup would be only for the people like you, that actually know what they are doing.....

You give me a car setup that way, and I think I would be in trouble right of the bat, correct?

Also I presume this setup would be mostly suited for the track, and not the street.......

Thanks again George!

George Knighton

I dunno, but you've reminded me of the possibilities and I have to admit that we won one race...backwards.

Depends. You can do this kind of thing with an older car if you don't go too radical with it.

A favorite of street DC2 drivers was to have 400# springs in the front and 500# in the rear, a relatively mild difference.

George Knighton

And, really, in the end, which way is more dangerous?

The car that naturally rotates, or the car you've got to throw around and left foot brake?

neuronbob

I knew you'd chime in, George, and thanks for the thorough explanation. It would take experimentation to figure out which spring rate is best for this (heavy) FWD car. You can order whatever spring rate you want from the BC folks.

I worry about the car "naturally rotating" when the eSH-AWD system already does that to some extent. Again, lots of experimentation with spring rates needed to figure this out properly.

pgeorg

That is what I was trying to get George to give his expert insights in

Also I was wondering how would that impact the "oversteer" tendency the eSH-AWD has at the limit, as George has experienced already....

Thanks for bringing that up Bob!