weirdness with auto stop
10-22-2018, 10:19 AM
#41
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I personal agree that the Auto Stop is a PITA, but what is a ROYAL PITA is that the indicator is always on ... and its on the dash (so its in my face) versus most vehicles just have the disable button lit (red). Now will that keep me from buying it? No. But a vehicle that did NOT have it (disable) definitely would keep me from buying it. At least until that was the 100% norm.
Just one person opinions, same as yours.
10-23-2018, 08:39 AM
#42
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I've read somewhere that there are some ways to defeat the auto start/stop using software. For some of the new German cars I recall that the same software that the dealer uses to reset the regular maintenance lights after such service as an oil change for example, can also be used to turn on or off some of the cars "features". A friend used to get his German car's oil changed at his dealership because his "indie" mechanic could change the oil but didn't have the ability to reset his dash light. His dealer would reset the light but wanted to charge him $60 just to reset the light. Finally his "indie" bought the software (from Europe) and can now reset the light and turn on a couple of little features my friend never ordered but were built into his car. Bottom line....my guess....sooner or later there will be a way to once and for all turn it off......in all cars.
10-23-2018, 11:04 AM
#43
I wonder how the cost of the fuel saved over the period of ownership compares to the additional costs associated with making the feature work. Things like bigger batteries, heavy duty starters, additional sensors for the air conditioner, and so on aren't free.
10-25-2018, 04:43 AM
#44
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It's not about the cost of fuel alone. It's also about hefty fines that are imposed if a manufacturers fleet does not meet the MPG requirements. And the cost of gas is lower today than it would be without all the emphasis on fuel savings because of lower aggregate demand.
10-25-2018, 07:26 AM
#45
I decided not to go forward with the 2019 RDX and instead got a Volvo XC60. I find it interesting that Volvo (for 2019) allows the auto stop/start to be configured. You can choose to have it always disabled.
This wasn't a big deal for me -- I'm leaving it enabled -- but some of you may find it interesting and/or useful.
This wasn't a big deal for me -- I'm leaving it enabled -- but some of you may find it interesting and/or useful.
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10-25-2018, 07:35 AM
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I decided not to go forward with the 2019 RDX and instead got a Volvo XC60. I find it interesting that Volvo (for 2019) allows the auto stop/start to be configured. You can choose to have it always disabled.
This wasn't a big deal for me -- I'm leaving it enabled -- but some of you may find it interesting and/or useful.
This wasn't a big deal for me -- I'm leaving it enabled -- but some of you may find it interesting and/or useful.
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10-25-2018, 08:07 AM
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Dollar for dollar, along with some other concerns, the RDX beat out the X3 and XC60 for me.
They are all good choices. We are indeed fortunate to be able to make these choices.
They are all good choices. We are indeed fortunate to be able to make these choices.
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10-25-2018, 08:32 AM
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A couple of days driving and I find the auto idle stop to be an utterly minor thing — but even my sales guy, who also got a ‘19, find it annoying...lol.
I just understand why it’s there and I’m OK with it and know I can turn it off if I so choose.
Depends on people’s tolerance level about this (or anything, really).
I just understand why it’s there and I’m OK with it and know I can turn it off if I so choose.
Depends on people’s tolerance level about this (or anything, really).
10-25-2018, 03:09 PM
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There is a button right on the center stack. It is not persistent and you have to press it for each driving session if you want to turn autostop off. But I find that is no biggie.
10-26-2018, 08:35 AM
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I had the car as a 2 day loaner. I noticed the same thing. The answer is just push the off button and it goes into park just as stated above. After knowing why and how things are done it's actually pretty nice.
10-26-2018, 09:17 AM
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One weirdness I encountered while using both autostop and brake hold is that at a long delay, this was a construction delay, the engine starts by itself with no warning, which releases the brake hold, and the car goes. Being my ever-vigilant self, I stopped the car. But I will allow more forward space in the future.
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10-26-2018, 09:38 AM
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One weirdness I encountered while using both autostop and brake hold is that at a long delay, this was a construction delay, the engine starts by itself with no warning, which releases the brake hold, and the car goes. Being my ever-vigilant self, I stopped the car. But I will allow more forward space in the future.
10-26-2018, 12:37 PM
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My hybrid generally shuts off the engine at stops but there are certain circumstances that will cause it to restart, engine temp not high enough, cat converter not at temp, the big battery charge is too low.... It may be the similar with the RDX. Releasing the brake in that situation is surprising and scary..
That is why I put it out here, to give folks a heads-up.
10-29-2018, 09:35 AM
#56
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Not sure if it’s only on ours, but when we drive with the transmission in S rather than D, the car will not auto stop, even without deactivating it with the Auto Stop button.
10-29-2018, 11:36 AM
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11-16-2018, 07:22 PM
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That's just wrong. It's fine for the engine to restart when it feels the need, but the brake hold should only be released in response to the accelerator pedal. No good purpose is served by linking the two.
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11-20-2018, 11:04 AM
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This just happened to me today, and it's a very dangerous design flaw, in my opinion. I was stopped at an intersection, using Brake Hold, with feet off the pedals after the engine shut down. The engine then restarted spontaneously and released the brake hold, causing the car to move into the intersection.
That's just wrong. It's fine for the engine to restart when it feels the need, but the brake hold should only be released in response to the accelerator pedal. No good purpose is served by linking the two.
That's just wrong. It's fine for the engine to restart when it feels the need, but the brake hold should only be released in response to the accelerator pedal. No good purpose is served by linking the two.
It has not happened to me so far and I'm not a big user of brake hold. But knowing this, I will refrain from using brake hold altogether.
11-20-2018, 11:19 AM
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Just to be clear, with BRAKE HOLD and the ENGINE START/STOP activated, the brake hold will not normally release when the engine restarts. Out of the countless times I've had both systems activated, it has only happened on one occasion where the engine restart also released the brake hold. It was surprising, but it's a good thing that I cover or keep my foot on the brake pedal even with the brake hold activated.
11-20-2018, 11:33 AM
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Just to be clear, with BRAKE HOLD and the ENGINE START/STOP activated, the brake hold will not normally release when the engine restarts. Out of the countless times I've had both systems activated, it has only happened on one occasion where the engine restart also released the brake hold. It was surprising, but it's a good thing that I cover or keep my foot on the brake pedal even with the brake hold activated.
It seems like the safe thing to do is to use one or other (AIS or BH) but not both.
That said, since the driver is ultimately responsible for the function of the car, BH is a feature that is too risky for my wandering mind. I might use it on demand when going up a steep hill in a place like SF, but that's about it.
11-20-2018, 05:15 PM
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I don't know if the above observation of an occasional failure makes me feel better or worse.
It seems like the safe thing to do is to use one or other (AIS or BH) but not both.
That said, since the driver is ultimately responsible for the function of the car, BH is a feature that is too risky for my wandering mind. I might use it on demand when going up a steep hill in a place like SF, but that's about it.
It seems like the safe thing to do is to use one or other (AIS or BH) but not both.
That said, since the driver is ultimately responsible for the function of the car, BH is a feature that is too risky for my wandering mind. I might use it on demand when going up a steep hill in a place like SF, but that's about it.
One time happening is enough for me.
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