Navigation Update 6/27/18
07-11-2018, 11:11 AM
#41
Drifting
Success. I got brave and left the car in "Accessory" ( ONE power button push without brake pedal depressed ).
I have killed the battery in another Acura trying to do a Nav update in vehicle "ON" ( TWO power button pushes without brake pedal depressed ).
32 GB USB 3.0 drive formatted FAT32, MBR
I have killed the battery in another Acura trying to do a Nav update in vehicle "ON" ( TWO power button pushes without brake pedal depressed ).
32 GB USB 3.0 drive formatted FAT32, MBR
Last edited by Wander; 07-11-2018 at 11:13 AM.
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billyt1963 (07-11-2018)
07-11-2018, 11:28 AM
#42
Accessory vs. Car “On”
Success. I got brave and left the car in "Accessory" ( ONE power button push without brake pedal depressed ).
I have killed the battery in another Acura trying to do a Nav update in vehicle "ON" ( TWO power button pushes without brake pedal depressed ).
32 GB USB 3.0 drive formatted FAT32, MBR
I have killed the battery in another Acura trying to do a Nav update in vehicle "ON" ( TWO power button pushes without brake pedal depressed ).
32 GB USB 3.0 drive formatted FAT32, MBR
07-11-2018, 04:38 PM
#43
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
UPDATE COMPLETED! Now showing the Interstate Exit Number near our IN home. How about that!? Only problem the numbers were changed about 10 years ago and now they’re back. Way to go HERE. I wonder what else is AFU?
07-11-2018, 04:58 PM
#44
Burning Brakes
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07-11-2018, 05:35 PM
#45
Tried this on my way to work which was a little over an hour. Didn't work. It seems if you leave the navigation to another screen and then go back, it says "map update" and apparently starts the process over maybe. I tried again on my way home and kept it on the navigation screen, update completed in about one hour.
07-11-2018, 05:59 PM
#46
Registered TL Owner
07-11-2018, 06:32 PM
#50
huh....they pulled it then because that’s where everyone’s been getting it. If you go to ththe HERE site it redirects you there.
https://mapupdate.navigation.com/lan...-US/index.html
https://mapupdate.navigation.com/lan...-US/index.html
07-11-2018, 08:03 PM
#53
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Yep, 2017 only. I’m guessing I jumped the gun and I’ll have to do an update of the update. Oh well, what’s wasting several hours of your life when you’re at the age you don’t buy too green of bananas.
Last edited by Rexorg; 07-11-2018 at 08:06 PM.
07-11-2018, 08:41 PM
#55
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Those chat persons are usually useless on any site. They’re usually somewhere in Asia responding with canned answers they’re reading and typing at the same time. I’m sure HERE will have a statement tomorrow about the snafu. Is this the first recall on the ‘19 RDX? Acura will not be happy. However, since most of us here are early adaptors the damage will be minor.
07-11-2018, 08:53 PM
#56
Registered TL Owner
People here in the United States are just as useless so...
also, this is nowhere near a recall. Not sure where that came from. Things happen when technology is involved. Nothing to get upset about
also, this is nowhere near a recall. Not sure where that came from. Things happen when technology is involved. Nothing to get upset about
07-11-2018, 10:00 PM
#57
Drifting
07-11-2018, 10:21 PM
#58
Drifting
Really, I think I can reduce the problem to the following line in the press release: "The RDX's all-new navigation system, developed in cooperation with HERE"
HERE is responsible for the updated maps, and perhaps the website that distributes the map updates. ( I cleverly broke that scheme with a legacy OS on the client end... damn I'm good! )
It seems Someone Else is responsible for teaching the 2019 RDX's headunit what to do with the map updates. Our troubles with getting the thing to update in the background, as it is claimed it should do, suggest there are some bugs in the infotainment system software. Shocking.
Isn't there a theorem that the number of bugs increases as the square of the number of coders? And as the cube of the number of separate corporate entities involved?
HERE is responsible for the updated maps, and perhaps the website that distributes the map updates. ( I cleverly broke that scheme with a legacy OS on the client end... damn I'm good! )
It seems Someone Else is responsible for teaching the 2019 RDX's headunit what to do with the map updates. Our troubles with getting the thing to update in the background, as it is claimed it should do, suggest there are some bugs in the infotainment system software. Shocking.
Isn't there a theorem that the number of bugs increases as the square of the number of coders? And as the cube of the number of separate corporate entities involved?
07-11-2018, 11:14 PM
#59
Drifting
07-12-2018, 07:39 AM
#61
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
HERE will be recalling the update, so technically it is a recall, albeit not in the sense most people think of a recall.
07-12-2018, 07:50 AM
#62
Burning Brakes
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07-12-2018, 10:25 AM
#63
Registered TL Owner
07-12-2018, 11:56 AM
#64
How’s Acura Navi compare to Waze/google maps/Apple maps?
one thing for sure is that in car Navi is becoming less and less relevant, a commodity.
one thing for sure is that in car Navi is becoming less and less relevant, a commodity.
07-12-2018, 01:10 PM
#65
07-12-2018, 01:32 PM
#66
Racer
Lacking. Even though it has traffic it is nowhere near as accurate as google or waze in terms of time to destination when there is traffic congestion. The lack of the ability to name favorites definitely lowers its usability factor. I can't wait until IOS12 allows 3rd party maps with apple pay. The only positive for using the Acura navigation is the turn by turn instructions in the HUD, but even then they only give it a little real estate and the street names are usually cut off to where you can't make it out. Even though the center console navigation shows the entire street name.
07-12-2018, 03:18 PM
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If they can do it in an Accord, why not an Acura?
And Apple maps is supposed to have a huge improvement when 12 comes out.
With the processing power and real time information available to Google, Apple, et. al., I don’t see how downloaded maps and an in-car CPU can keep up. There are literally millions of smart phones in the NY Metro area, virtually everyone has one. With each phone in each car that is either using a map program or has location services enabled (vitually every phone in a car) providing data to the massive computing power of Google and Apple, an in-car system starts at a huge disadvantage. And it looks like the in-car nav does little to make up that advantage.
The bright side is, few, if any, other cars can either. Even if they have prettier graphics.
And Apple maps is supposed to have a huge improvement when 12 comes out.
With the processing power and real time information available to Google, Apple, et. al., I don’t see how downloaded maps and an in-car CPU can keep up. There are literally millions of smart phones in the NY Metro area, virtually everyone has one. With each phone in each car that is either using a map program or has location services enabled (vitually every phone in a car) providing data to the massive computing power of Google and Apple, an in-car system starts at a huge disadvantage. And it looks like the in-car nav does little to make up that advantage.
The bright side is, few, if any, other cars can either. Even if they have prettier graphics.
07-12-2018, 04:27 PM
#68
Drifting
If they can do it in an Accord, why not an Acura?
And Apple maps is supposed to have a huge improvement when 12 comes out.
With the processing power and real time information available to Google, Apple, et. al., I don’t see how downloaded maps and an in-car CPU can keep up. There are literally millions of smart phones in the NY Metro area, virtually everyone has one. With each phone in each car that is either using a map program or has location services enabled (vitually every phone in a car) providing data to the massive computing power of Google and Apple, an in-car system starts at a huge disadvantage. And it looks like the in-car nav does little to make up that advantage.
The bright side is, few, if any, other cars can either. Even if they have prettier graphics.
And Apple maps is supposed to have a huge improvement when 12 comes out.
With the processing power and real time information available to Google, Apple, et. al., I don’t see how downloaded maps and an in-car CPU can keep up. There are literally millions of smart phones in the NY Metro area, virtually everyone has one. With each phone in each car that is either using a map program or has location services enabled (vitually every phone in a car) providing data to the massive computing power of Google and Apple, an in-car system starts at a huge disadvantage. And it looks like the in-car nav does little to make up that advantage.
The bright side is, few, if any, other cars can either. Even if they have prettier graphics.
Live traffic is a separate issue.
POIs are another issue. Locating a current Subway sandwich shop can be an exercise in search and rescue. Allegedly AcuraLink provides a mechanism for relatively up-to-date POI retrieval. When there is no cell service, the Nav defaults back to its stored database.
The big advantage of in-car Nav is that the screen can be placed in an optimal location. But sometimes I yearn for a nice little flat surface just below my field of view, where I can stick a stand-alone Garmin and be done with it.
Don't even get me started about people navigating with smartphone apps while they are handholding the damn thing. No different than texting in terms of driver distraction.
07-12-2018, 06:35 PM
#69
so the HUD will not display Apple maps directions? that sux.
07-12-2018, 07:03 PM
#71
Burning Brakes
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All cars with telemetrics have a cellphone built in. The manufacturers could easily supply all the data needed to everyone thru the build-in phone, be it traffic, weather, maps, or Twitter, etc. All that is needed is a display. All GPS info is provided from the US Government’s GPS system, albeit not as accurate as it could be. Traffic data is supplied from the GPS systems from vehicles with navigation, or your personal phone.. Big Brother knows where you are 24/7/365. RFIDs will also track your every movement. They are in your EZPass, SunPass, etc. It’s just a matter of application and need to know. The TPMS has a 7-8 year battery that could easily power a RFID, if implanted. BTW, the MagicBand system at WDW is a high powered RFID. Disney can track you whenever you are on their property. It’s not a secret and yes, it’s legal, but most people don’t know, or worse, don’t care.
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07-12-2018, 08:30 PM
#73
Drifting
All cars with telemetrics have a cellphone built in. The manufacturers could easily supply all the data needed to everyone thru the build-in phone, be it traffic, weather, maps, or Twitter, etc. All that is needed is a display. All GPS info is provided from the US Government’s GPS system, albeit not as accurate as it could be. Traffic data is supplied from the GPS systems from vehicles with navigation, or your personal phone.. Big Brother knows where you are 24/7/365. RFIDs will also track your every movement. They are in your EZPass, SunPass, etc. It’s just a matter of application and need to know. The TPMS has a 7-8 year battery that could easily power a RFID, if implanted. BTW, the MagicBand system at WDW is a high powered RFID. Disney can track you whenever you are on their property. It’s not a secret and yes, it’s legal, but most people don’t know, or worse, don’t care.
07-15-2018, 12:49 AM
#74
Drifting
In contrast, some conspiracy minded individuals believe that technology possessed by our government permits direct electromagnetic interception of thoughts. To protect themselves they may attempt to employ shielding such as aluminum foil ( tin-foil hat ) or a metal colander.
Although I do not, in fact, thus adorn myself, I do agree with the assessment that the tools for tracking our movements are well developed, especially if we carry active smartphones. And I question claims that such data are automatically and irretrievably "anonymized". This concern does not prevent me from carrying a smartphone and making extensive use of navigation applications. Convenience trumps privacy.
Back to previously scheduled programming.
07-15-2018, 08:11 AM
#77
Is a reasonable approach to wait a few months until the dealer service techs get up to speed on this vehicle, take the vehicle in for routine oil change/maintenance when it is time, have a 32 gb flash drive in hand, and ask the service adviser if they can update the maps for the first time while the other service is being done? Then ask for a report as to how it went. That way any issues can be tackled with the dealer service people that have a good path to dealer service field support at Acura. I don't know if doing these updates is within their service scope, but it is worth a try if you the owner don't want to fuss with this until a successful update has been accomplished on your vehicle.
07-15-2018, 10:11 PM
#78
Drifting
There's no obligation to apply the quarterly map updates. The incremental changes tend to be pretty modest. Waiting out the beta test phase is a perfectly sensible approach.
Keep in mind, these map updates DO NOT include updated software. That can of worms is yet to be opened.
Keep in mind, these map updates DO NOT include updated software. That can of worms is yet to be opened.
07-24-2018, 05:29 PM
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The 6/27/18 update was back yesterday.
I downloaded the HERE map uploader program but, every time I tried to upload the map update, the uploader couldn't find it.
Tried again today and it's gone again. RDX only lists <=2017; 2019 gone again.
What an awesome supplier HERE is.
I downloaded the HERE map uploader program but, every time I tried to upload the map update, the uploader couldn't find it.
Tried again today and it's gone again. RDX only lists <=2017; 2019 gone again.
What an awesome supplier HERE is.