Colorado Guy AF Ret.

I'm not a car buying idiot. I used to sell cars when times were hard and my vocation was not wanted for some time. I worked for my best friend, also, and he is a Dealer.
I quite well know the "extra moneys" available to dealers....but, I also know this. It's NOT what it used to be...the incentives for dealers. Now it's more on how many you sell...your overall ratings you receive from your
customers...etc. There is now a lot of "stuff" factored in for a dealer to get incentives. Not like it used to be. And, if you didn't know those facts then you need to brush up on your knowledge base. The better dealers out
there...meaning high volume sales, high ratings for Sales, Parts, and Service, will get those dealerships more incentive moneys. It's a tougher "car world' now for dealers than a few yrs ago. The money doesn't flow back
as easily as it used to.

At some point in time buying at or just below Invoice might be doable. But, not TWICE that amount of savings. Do you know the Invoice??? It's less than $2k off the MSRP. You can wait all you want....comparing BMW's to
Acura's is not apples to apples.

dcmod

Yeah, well I believe BMW has better reputation than Acura .. So its a better Apple for me

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

You are making a "broad brush comparison" and there is none here. 2019's TLX's ARE ON THE LOTS. That's why there are DEALS on the '18's. That why True Car can give those #'s. I've used True Car for years.

What is the competition at an Acura dealer for the 2019 RDX this fall???? No 2020's out on the ground. So, NO....not the same at all. I've got a 2018 TLX A-Spec....got a GREAT deal on it...why???...'cause the 19's were
unloading on the lot within about 2 weeks. Big, big difference.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Good for you. Go buy all the BMW's you want. I wasn't comparing quality or anything like that. VALUE...based on what MSRP is...what dealers have to pay....depreciation at the 3 and 5 yr points.

Some reputation. Market studies have shown that of the cars that most people sell or get rid of in the first year....BMW is on the list. Lots of things factor in, but, Acuras and Hondas are not on that list. Just sayin!

russianDude

dcmod

Sure,, I believe 110 % of what you are saying ... Even if your "Best Friend" dealer will give you all his cost pricing ,, so he can not afford to pay his mortgage .
LMAO

russianDude

dcmod

Spoken like a true SMART car buyer

dcmod

It's just you saying ..
Here is what Consumer Report says : https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...vehicles-2018/



Check where BMW position vs Acura or even Honda ranks ...

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

That's not easy to answer. Depends on so many things. Location of the dealer. Allocations of cars for that dealer. My dealer will be pretty much out of his allocations by late Fall for sure. He will have to go to Acura
and request more RDX's. He got more than anyone in his Region to start...and they are selling super fast. So, to come up with a "time to order" is not easy. I'm still waiting for my white/red A-Spec and it was on the
very first order he submitted. It is on the train...we know that....but, exactly when it arrives...they don't know. The R/R system is not very "time dependable" at all. They can look it up and track, but, that is often wrong.
It may say the car is in Illinois....and the next morning it's off loading from the car transport at the dealer. Mine might be in this week, but, we're pretty sure by next week.

I would go to the dealer you want to buy from...ask to speak to the Gen. Sales Mgr. and then discuss with him/her what you want and when. They will have the best answer...since they are involved with the ordering
process and know what their allocations are, etc, etc. A "floor sales person" will NOT know all that. Go directly to the person who knows. Or the New Car Mgr. Often he/she knows more details than the GM. Mine did, and
I'm friends with both of them. The New Car Mgr. ordered extra RDX's that the GM didn't know about...since the GM failed to order the color combos that are always hot sellers, like white/parchment.

Also, they may not be able to get what they want on their orders...as far as certain models and color combos. A-Specs got held up for awhile. Don't know why. They are getting them...but, more are coming. I've seen the
order list!!
I'd call ahead and make the appt. If you just walk in and ask to see one of the above...you will get hit with...."well I can help you"...or what car are you looking for?"......etc. To avoid that....look up the names of those 2 key
people on their web site. Most all have a place to see their personnel. So, then you'll have a name when you call to make the appt.

Hope that helps.

birdonamission

Thanks - HUGE help. As has been your other contributions on the forums. Appreciated...

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

I DID NOT buy at MSRP....never have in over 35 new cars bought. Never said that. You made that up. I never said what I paid. I guarantee you it was the best deal anyone could get at this time. Just below Invoice. You
would not get that price..guaranteed. Not now for certain. My 5th Acura in 5 yrs. Never have I paid MSRP. I'd walk away....but, I don't have to be concerned about that 'cause my GM would never insult me with an asking
price of MSRP. He asks me what I want to pay...we kick it around and we make a deal. Same for my trade. And, I always get what I want and expect for my trade. Laugh all you want....but, it's true. They don't even bother
to go out and look at my trade vehicle. Why is that? Because they know what my cars have been like in the past...they know I'm honest and I tell them about the exact condition etc. And the miles. They don't even look at
my miles. They know I don't lie...I tell them what it has. That's the luxury of making a great business relationship with any retail store.

Let's all wait and see what happens...later.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

TLX's don't sell like RDX's or MDX's. The SUV's are the hottest sellers for Acura....and for most all other manufacturers. Right now Ford is deciding whether to keep ANY cars...other than the Mustang. FACT. They
are even talking about dropping the Fusion and it's a pretty good car. The Taurus is on the way out....not selling. Where are the profits coming from at Ford...as they have for many years....F150's.....SUV's.

You can always get a better deal on a TLX than an RDX. Even other Dealers love having Used RDX's and CRV's on their lots....'cause they SELL.

Froid

russianDude

dcmod

I never paid for maintenance on BMW. It comes with the car , 5 years free maintenance ... Always sell the car after the maintenance expired ....

Hou-RL

The RDX was hot in 2014 when I purchased mine and easily obtained $5K just by saying that was what I wanted off the price. I could have gotten more but was happy with the $5K discount. Not sure if you know how to negotiate but I will be happy to make your deal for you over email with a dealer in NOV/DEC IF INTERESTED.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Very funny. Your full of it. No $5K off RDX's now or in the future. I've been buying cars longer than you've been on this earth. And sold Toyotas and Nissans....and others for awhile.
Not a damn thing you could teach me. I could teach you some respect, but, you wouldn't get it. How is it hiding behind a "device" and typing BS.....

Hou-RL

I am not hiding behind anything. I am using the same IO's you are to communicate my thoughts. I don't need you to teach me anything , especially respect. You type these words as if you are the authority on Acura and all that can or will occur with the pricing. Not sure why you think you are disrespected but don't take it personal, it is just a discussion.
I can say that I have purchased far too many cars to begin to count and have extensive experience on many auto brands. I fully understand when I purchase my cars what will need to be paid prior to making an offer. I buy some limited edition number models periodically that have no negotiation. I use the RDX as a daily drive car for myself and the time has come to obtain a newer model. Competition is different in many locations and I can tell you I have 5 dealers in my area alone. I know my market and will see the lots fill up again with far too many RDX's by the end of the year.
You may be able to predict in your smaller market but you cant know what will happen in other markets.

TxLady

Hou-RL

Sure contact me in NOV/DEC when the lots are full of them here in my city as I stated earlier.

Madd Dog

hondu

Prices always vary by region/local markets. If you have 5 dealers in your area, I imagine you could negotiate a much better deal. In my area, there is only one dealer, who never offers good prices. I had to drive two hours to get a decent deal on our Acura.

The VA/MD area sounds like the Houston area (and probably LA as well). I received much better, way below invoice price quotes from dealers there. I just chose not to drive 6 hours to get the car.

chickdr

I like your posts in general, but I have to say, this is a pretty arrogant statement. There are many folks in your position. You are not unique.....

And yes, RDX's do get discounted $5k, or more. There have been several posts about 18's being discounted this much, even though they have continued to sell pretty well with the new model on deck. The '19 will not be any different as time passes. It is only natural to think you got the best deal around, until you see another post about an even better deal .

russianDude

Froid

It comes with the car, but you do realize you actually paid for it. Moreover, after five years and expiration of your maintenance plan, it will likely reflect detrimentally in the selling price.
Trust me, I love driving BMWs. Brilliant cars. But costs and hit or miss reliability ain't for me.
For clarification, my Consumer Reports reference contradicts your own assertion.

Rob175

Since the "new" 2019 RDX came out this month (June of 2018) does anyone know when the 2020's will come out? (June of 2019??)........ just curious.

warrenj3139

I paid $39.4k for my 17 RDX Advance AWD in February, 2017. I don't remember what the MSRP was, but I'm fairly certain that was more than a $5k discount. There was no trade or other way the dealer was getting that money back. You are right, it can be done. I'll be looking for at the new RDX at the end of this year. It may not be a $5k discount by then, but hoping it will be pretty deep.

TLX17

I'm also anticipating a minimum of $3.5k off the Advanced trim come December. Too many strong contenders on the market. I'm glad Acura is now (hopefully) a genuine competitor to the Germans.. but I imagine that unless the RDX is priced at a minimum of $5k less than a comparatively equipped X3/Q5, Acura will lose its advantage, which has always been considered 'value'.

If there's one for-certain benefit of living in Socal, it's competitive pricing. Even though the RDX is hot and new, there's simply too many dealers (Acura and others) in Socal to not discount 8-10% when the 6 month mark hits of RDX's availability. It's a great model but that's still an "A" on the grill, which means there will have to be some compensation.

jcardona1

What an insufferable human being you are. Do you ever stop to read what you type? Can't you just post without stroking your own ego?

warrenj3139

There are about 6 Acura dealers within ~30 minutes or so of where I live in Maryland, just outside of D.C.. And there are as many BMW and Audi dealers as well, and they are currently offering pretty substantial discounts on X3s and Q5's to the point that there is slim to no difference in the market price for those vehicles vs the MSRP of the '19 RDX. The Advance is the same price as the going rate for an equally equipped X3. The X3 and Q5 both got new models in 2018. There is going to be a lot of competition by this winter and you would have to expect that the going rate for an RDX will adjust accordingly.

russianDude

chickdr

Interestingly I am discussing a lease on a '18 X3 M40i with a couple of Atlanta BMW dealers right now. The story I get is " The M40 is a very high demand vehicle with a very low supply" and I was quoted 864/mth (sign and drive) for 36mths 10k/yr for a 36mth lease on a very lightly optioned car (~$57k MSRP). Absolutely outrageous when the same dealer has a lease deal of $549/mth (sign and drive) on a $54k '18 530i. The funny thing is another Atlanta dealer has six M40i's in stock and all are discounted around $5k on the website, but they are giving me the same story about limited supply and high demand. If they are in such high demand, crank production up at the Greer, SC plant and cut the 2.0T production....

schen72

I have no skin in this dogfight between the folks here that are arguing about MSRP, who has bought more cars, or if deals will ever be had on RDXs. But it seems to be that people have very short memories. The RDX is not some special "halo" car that is produced in limited quantities. It's a high volume car for the (somewhat affluent) masses. When the new Civic came out, those were also selling at MSRP. In fact, I tried to buy one of those but the salesman would not budge one cent off MSRP. So I said, we're done, and left.

Why are you arguing over whether BMW or Acura is "better?" What does that even mean? They are both nice cars. They cater to somewhat different demographics. If you have a BMW it doesn't really reveal anything about you as a person. Anyone with a decent job can easily acquire a BMW by leasing it. Same goes for Acura and pretty much any car that's under $60k. Here in this country the car someone drives says NOTHING about how wealthy or smart someone is. In other countries where they don't do leases, it's a different story. If you see someone driving an S-Class in Singapore, you know they are super wealthy.

Side note: I'm amazed some of you have owned so many cars in your life. I've only owned 5 cars my whole life, as you can see in my sig.

cruiserchuck

The new RDXs do not appear to be in short supply in Southern California. There are over 80 currently listed on Autotrader within a 50 miles radius of my office. I plan to do another search in a month and see how many are listed then.

Out of curiosity, I also checked X3 and Q5 listings. There are 430 X3s listed, and 312 Q5s.

TxLady

Rob175

Does anyone know when the Acura model years end? Since the 2019's are out NOW when will the 2020's come out .....next June of 2019 or later? I ask because I want to wait until a full year passes so Acura can hopefully work out whatever bugs turn up in the 2019's.

Thanks

russianDude

schen72

I personally also wait until at least the 2nd model year for any new car. Look at the new Civic. Lots of bugs with the new infotainment system. I think the same will be true of the new RDX. Back when I got my 2006 RL, lots of the bugs from the 2005 were fixed. That RL had so much new & first time tech in an Acura (proximity key, AFS, CMBS).

dcmod

What he said ,,, spoken like a true wise man !!!