Difference between the standard suspension and the adaptive suspension?
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Difference between the standard suspension and the adaptive suspension?
Was wondering if anyone did extensive test drives with both cars? Is the adaptive suspension on sport/sport+ significantly firmer and better handling than the standard suspension? or does the adaptive suspension just have the benefit of being more comfortable than the standard suspension?
#2
Burning Brakes
I didn't do extensive test drives but my experience with the adaptive suspension is a firm but compliant ride in comfort mode. Sport and sport+ progressively increase the firmness and control - firmness to the point of being uncomfortably jarring on some of the Michigan, quasi third world, roads.
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Drifting
I didn't cross-shop the other trims, but I'm very impressed with how well controlled body roll is for the Advance ( with adaptive suspension ), without being excessively harsh riding. It corners really flat, especially if you get on the gas in a curve and let the SH-AWD work its magic. I've had sporty little cars with tweaked suspensions that cornered about as flat, but at the cost of bone-jarring stiffness. Supple and well-controlled is a beautiful thing.
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I didn't cross-shop the other trims, but I'm very impressed with how well controlled body roll is for the Advance ( with adaptive suspension ), without being excessively harsh riding. It corners really flat, especially if you get on the gas in a curve and let the SH-AWD work its magic. I've had sporty little cars with tweaked suspensions that cornered about as flat, but at the cost of bone-jarring stiffness. Supple and well-controlled is a beautiful thing.
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This x100. I have a 97 BMW M3 which is firm but for me comfortable (also voted Car&Driver's best handling car for pretty much the entire run of the E36 M3). My friend had a c4 Corvette that pulled higher Gs on the skid pad but rode as stiff as a go kart, and had an obnoxiously loud whine in the rear-end due to straight cut gears (straight cut gears handle higher torque vs helical cut gears which are much quieter). The big V8 was fast but I couldn't live with that car. My friend on the other hand was hands down a Corvette nut.
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RDX10 (09-22-2018)
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Is the adaptive suspension optional on all trim levels or is it tied to a particular model trim only?
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This x100. I have a 97 BMW M3 which is firm but for me comfortable (also voted Car&Driver's best handling car for pretty much the entire run of the E36 M3). My friend had a c4 Corvette that pulled higher Gs on the skid pad but rode as stiff as a go kart, and had an obnoxiously loud whine in the rear-end due to straight cut gears (straight cut gears handle higher torque vs helical cut gears which are much quieter). The big V8 was fast but I couldn't live with that car. My friend on the other hand was hands down a Corvette nut.
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ednigma (09-22-2018)
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This x100. I have a 97 BMW M3 which is firm but for me comfortable (also voted Car&Driver's best handling car for pretty much the entire run of the E36 M3). My friend had a c4 Corvette that pulled higher Gs on the skid pad but rode as stiff as a go kart, and had an obnoxiously loud whine in the rear-end due to straight cut gears (straight cut gears handle higher torque vs helical cut gears which are much quieter). The big V8 was fast but I couldn't live with that car. My friend on the other hand was hands down a Corvette nut.
my friend had an Acura TL at the time, no one ever said anything about it
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ednigma (09-22-2018)
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I did not test drive the Advance, as I didn't want to spend an extra 5 grand. But maybe I should have; the only real complaint I have with the car (Tech trim) is the suspension. It is well controlled, and yet it is not. You can take a corner without plowing much, yet little bumps cause more "bounce" than I'd like. I kind of liken it to a firm pillow top mattress. Just maybe the pillow is a bit on the puffy side. I wish the non-adaptive suspension was just a bit firmer. Some roads that were fine in my CR-V can be a bit bouncy if you get a repeating pattern. On the other hand, some roads that were atrocious in my CR-V are quite fine now. Tradeoffs.
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I did not test drive the Advance, as I didn't want to spend an extra 5 grand. But maybe I should have; the only real complaint I have with the car (Tech trim) is the suspension. It is well controlled, and yet it is not. You can take a corner without plowing much, yet little bumps cause more "bounce" than I'd like. I kind of liken it to a firm pillow top mattress. Just maybe the pillow is a bit on the puffy side. I wish the non-adaptive suspension was just a bit firmer. Some roads that were fine in my CR-V can be a bit bouncy if you get a repeating pattern. On the other hand, some roads that were atrocious in my CR-V are quite fine now. Tradeoffs.
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I did not test drive the Advance, as I didn't want to spend an extra 5 grand. But maybe I should have; the only real complaint I have with the car (Tech trim) is the suspension. It is well controlled, and yet it is not. You can take a corner without plowing much, yet little bumps cause more "bounce" than I'd like. I kind of liken it to a firm pillow top mattress. Just maybe the pillow is a bit on the puffy side. I wish the non-adaptive suspension was just a bit firmer. Some roads that were fine in my CR-V can be a bit bouncy if you get a repeating pattern. On the other hand, some roads that were atrocious in my CR-V are quite fine now. Tradeoffs.
Maybe the aftermarket will develop a replacement shock/strut with slightly more aggressive valving.
#17
that’s so true. I ended up with a ‘97 528 instead of the m3, space vs speed. I still miss it. Every one who drove it complemented how smooth and stable the ride was at high speed and how it didn’t feel like a mid size sedan.
my friend had an Acura TL at the time, no one ever said anything about it
My friend traded his 95M3 for a 99 540, that was space AND speed. High speed cruiser that you felt comfortable and supremely confident driving fast.
Funny, I had an Acura Integra before my M3, I drive a 2001 LexusRX300 (smooth but disconnected road feel, but OK for the winter) and now patiently waiting for the 2020 RDX to see if some of the first year bugs get worked out.
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Maybe I'll try running a few pounds heavy on the air to help a bit. When the tires need replacing perhaps a move to a stiffer tire, or as you suggest a move to 20" rims.
It's not lost on me that all the YouTube reviewers drove A-Spec or Advance.
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[QUOTE=ednigma;16301772]By bounce, do you mean that it oscillates too much? In suspension terminology, the compression is called jounce and the rebound is called, er... rebound. [/QUOTE/
Yes, exactly as you described. I would prefer it to be more aggressive. Thanks for that better description!
FWIW I did compare the part numbers of the Tech and A-Spec dampers. They are the same.
Yes, exactly as you described. I would prefer it to be more aggressive. Thanks for that better description!
FWIW I did compare the part numbers of the Tech and A-Spec dampers. They are the same.
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All are 19". But that's still a good point. Some of the problem is the tires. If you bump the car from the side especially you can see the car oscillating on the tires.
Maybe I'll try running a few pounds heavy on the air to help a bit. When the tires need replacing perhaps a move to a stiffer tire, or as you suggest a move to 20" rims.
It's not lost on me that all the YouTube reviewers drove A-Spec or Advance.
On the flip side the 2G MDX used to have stiffer/thicker sway bars on the sport models and people were switching their base and tech model sway bars with those and noticing a marked handling increase, so I wonder if the sway bars are thicker on the A-Spec or Advanced models.
[QUOTE=BrianC778;16301779]
By bounce, do you mean that it oscillates too much? In suspension terminology, the compression is called jounce and the rebound is called, er... rebound. [/QUOTE/
Yes, exactly as you described. I would prefer it to be more aggressive. Thanks for that better description!
FWIW I did compare the part numbers of the Tech and A-Spec dampers. They are the same.
Yes, exactly as you described. I would prefer it to be more aggressive. Thanks for that better description!
FWIW I did compare the part numbers of the Tech and A-Spec dampers. They are the same.
If all else is equal, I'd be surprised if it was the small increase from 19's to 20's that improves A-Spec handling to that degree over base and tech.
#22
There should not be anything different in A-Spec suspension or shock vs Tech, It is confirmed A-Spec is mostly cosmetics and few comfort options move from Advance. Other than the 20" wheels, there is nothing about APEC that should change the way the car drives, not even in the software.
#23
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Yes, the is no difference on any suspension parts for the A-Spec.
Another minor difference with the tires is that the 19" tires are H rated while the 20s are a stiffer V rated. I definitely noticed a difference going from V back to H rated tires before trading in my old car.
For now I'll go with higher pressure and then next set of tires will have stiffer sidewalls if I don't just move to a 20" wheel, and keep the 19" rims for winter tires.
I should just go drive an A-Spec for comparison on known crummy roads.
Another minor difference with the tires is that the 19" tires are H rated while the 20s are a stiffer V rated. I definitely noticed a difference going from V back to H rated tires before trading in my old car.
For now I'll go with higher pressure and then next set of tires will have stiffer sidewalls if I don't just move to a 20" wheel, and keep the 19" rims for winter tires.
I should just go drive an A-Spec for comparison on known crummy roads.
#24
Drifting
Yes, the is no difference on any suspension parts for the A-Spec.
Another minor difference with the tires is that the 19" tires are H rated while the 20s are a stiffer V rated. I definitely noticed a difference going from V back to H rated tires before trading in my old car.
For now I'll go with higher pressure and then next set of tires will have stiffer sidewalls if I don't just move to a 20" wheel, and keep the 19" rims for winter tires.
I should just go drive an A-Spec for comparison on known crummy roads.
Another minor difference with the tires is that the 19" tires are H rated while the 20s are a stiffer V rated. I definitely noticed a difference going from V back to H rated tires before trading in my old car.
For now I'll go with higher pressure and then next set of tires will have stiffer sidewalls if I don't just move to a 20" wheel, and keep the 19" rims for winter tires.
I should just go drive an A-Spec for comparison on known crummy roads.
( These are for SH-AWD, maybe different for FWD )
Shocks are the same for Base, Tech, A-Spec. ADS shocks for Advance.
Sway bars are the same.
Last edited by Wander; 09-23-2018 at 12:47 AM.
#25
There is a difference for A-spec. The rear spring is a different part number than Base and Tech ( and Advance ). A-spec: 52441-TJB-A13 vs Tech/Base/Advance: 52441-TJB-A03
( These are for SH-AWD, maybe different for FWD )
Shocks are the same for Base, Tech, A-Spec. ADS shocks for Advance.
Sway bars are the same.
( These are for SH-AWD, maybe different for FWD )
Shocks are the same for Base, Tech, A-Spec. ADS shocks for Advance.
Sway bars are the same.
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I was aiming to get the A-Spec but I have a feeling that I will end up with Advance due to HuD and few other premium options.
May be I change the rear bumper and exhausts to A-Sepc
May be I change the rear bumper and exhausts to A-Sepc
#28
But I mean wrapping the chrome bits in gloss black vinyl gets me 90% there and the wheels are super easy. The interior I can leave alone, if anything the bumpers are probably easy to change as well though in some cars the mounting points differ vastly and this isn't possible. When I had my Sorento SX I almost bought an EX and wanted to change the bumpers to SX but found out the mounting is completely different even though same mode! l thankfully just bought the SX.
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Does anyone happen to have access to detailed part specs?
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