Colorado Guy AF Ret.

I agree with these "dislikes!" I am curious....and if anyone KNOWS for sure, but, I'm not sure about the stop/start feature on the '19 RDX. The 2.0 turbo Accord does not have it...I believe...so, I'm guessing the RDX won't????
If anyone knows...let us know.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Hear that folks! IF you don't like it....don't buy it! There you go, that's the answer. Then we won't need this site to talk about and discuss what we like, don't like...what we want, etc.

But, here's a big issue, and brought up by someone else here. So, I then have to look at other vehicles and....WHAT.....they have push button trans also!!! I'm surrounded.....the computers are taking over the world....AI will not let me
do anything on my own. THEY will do it all for me and I'm supposed to like it. We built you Mr. Computer and we can un-build you.....uhhhh....I hope!!!!! YIKES....get them off my lawn. Damn electrical contraptions! Where's my
Model T????

Don't like it...don't buy it. That's too simplistic....but, in this crazy changing world the designers and engineers aren't giving us many options to walk away. They are forcing us to "like it" and shoves them up our posteriors.
Life should be about choices and having them. MTD here "loves" push button trans. That's fine He should get what he wants. But, the majority don't....and should have what they want. But, many don't complain they just
"go along" with what is there and put up with it.

In time if enough complain and don't like how a product is made changes have happened. All convertibles were stopped being made due to Gov't concerns over safety, etc. Guess what....they came back didn't they? Why...'cause the
buying public wanted them. Will the "shifting arm" come back. Good question...I think they will in some similar form....but, maybe not in my lifetime...hey, I'm old...older!! LOL!

MrJames

The 2019 RDX has it. The on/off button for it directly to the left of the dynamic mode dial. I've never had a car that has it but I would consider this a positive since it can be turned off if the driver does not like it.

Here is the TLX talking point using the same logo
http://m.acura.com/pdf/owners/2016/T..._Idle_Stop.pdf

See the button to the left of the dial
https://i.imgur.com/8Mk9WCM.jpg

Madd Dog

GW208

I'll have to sit in one to be sure but I think the tall center console might be an issue also. I like to drive with my right knee leaned over to the right and it looks like that might not be possible with the new console. It was the first thing I noticed about the Mazda CX5 at the car show so I'll be anxious to hear what others think when they get a chance to sit in the new RDX.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Thanks. I'm surprised, but one never knows. My '18 TLX A-Spec has it and I automatically turn it off as soon as I start it up. Don't like it one little bit. There is some hesitation in how it works starting up....and I did NOT like that.
It does default to on each time it's started, or powered up. Just glad we can shut it down!

RDX10

Rocket_man

Every car I've ever bought has been some sort of compromise somewhere. There is no reason the push button shifter should give anyone a reason to not buy this car. When I bought the TLX it was certainly new and took a few days to adapt. But I like it better than the stick type shifter. It does make that area feel roomier, it is faster for me to manipulate the buttons than the stick, and I never have to look to see where the stick is, each button has a unique feel. I wouldn't stress over this shifter, if you buy the car you'll adapt and be fine.

FredS

Agree 100%. The shifter gets in the way and looks ugly. Hilarious when posters comment about pushing a button is cumbersome.

ZipSpeed

Yeah, never had an issue adapting to the buttons. I can make three point turns just as quickly as a conventional stick. But that's human nature for you, people complain for the sake of complaining. If manufacturers had introduced buttons rather than the stick 40 years ago (I actually have no idea when non-manual stick shifters were introduced), and it became the norm, and all of a sudden, a manufacturer decides to introduce a stick, I'd imagine we'd be having a similar conversation on these forums. Humans at the basic level, hate change.

It's like the CVT. If that was the norm 40 years ago, we would be complaining why these stepped transmissions is inefficiently going from one gear to the next.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Now ZipSpeed.....I know that often times during your life you have complained about something that you truly disliked. Did you complain "for the sake of complaining?" LOL!!!! I doubt it. So, I and some other's here have been outspoken car owners that have said...we don't like the push button
trans. Period. It's our right and to HONESTLY NOT LIKE THEM. Just as it's your right to now love them. So, don't speak for me as a "complainer for complaining sake." I don't like the damn things!! And, I don't have to just because "some people" are so jazzed about them and can do
3 point turns just as fast etc, etc, etc. I doubt you could take me on a 3 point turn contest....my '17 RDX against the '19 RDX. One big reason....and I have an '18 TLX A-Spec....when pushing the trans buttons there is a "delay" that I've discovered....and I KNOW my "shifter" in my '17 RDX is
quicker and more intuitive. Just the way it is. Pushing the trans button has to go through the computer...send signals, etc, etc. It IS slower than a direct mechanical shifting arm trans. Just the nature of the 2.

I've taught all major systems in the cockpit of a DC-10 jumbo jet. I've flown the aircraft in a full motion simulator that pilots use for refreshers. I know and understand the "feel and response of" mechanical and electrically controlled systems. I've flown a T-38 once used by the Thunderbirds for many
years as their demonstration plane. I've flown Piper Warriors. I have a "sense" of tactile controls and responses.

All that plus I've owned over 60 vehicles. So, I feel fairly well educated in the mechanical and tech world as well as directly being involved in their operations...whether aircraft or cars/trucks/SUV's.

Push button trans controllers are: slower, don't add operational value, are not as intuitive as an arm or stick shifter. YES, you can get used to where the buttons are..how they feel and what they do...we all can. Doesn't mean we MUST like it.
Different "strokes" for different folks. That simple. The KISS principle was NOT used when car company's put in electrical controlled shifting buttons, levers, etc.

And the CVT transmissions....Suck big time. Some are better than other's...but, terrible overall. I drove the new CRV with the turbo 4 and CVT. What a mess. And I've owned CRV's in the past with strong NA 4 cyl. engines and reg. trans. Great small SUV"S.

This is fun isn't it??? Let's all get along...and enjoy our cars. Whatever ones we pick. IF we have a complaint...it is legit. Not complaining to complain.

ZipSpeed

I don't doubt your knowledge when it comes to the mechanical ins and outs, but I am merely responding to the outpouring of complaints that is at most, trivial. In fact, after reading what I wrote, I don't seeing anywhere where I actually made a complaint. My statement of a three point turn wasn't made in jest. I'm sure no one is going to race to see who is going to make a three point faster. I am just pointing out that I can shift just as quickly as with a conventional lever. I may not have owned a plethora of vehicles like you have, but I have owned cars with a 4 speed, 8 speed ZF, 9 speed ZF and a CVT and honest to god, I personally never felt a delay when it came to shifting between P-R-N-D. I'm not saying the delay doesn't exist, but the fact of matter is, for the average car buyer, they probably wouldn't know the difference. Stick or buttons, it's all the same, especially in today's vehicles where there is no direct mechanical linkage to the transmission. The fancy BMW stick and Acura buttons do the same thing... translate ones and zeroes to the computer.

mattski

As long as they keep them physical buttons and don't put them on the touch screen, I should be able to adapt!
The vehicles's user interface is very important from a functional (and safety) perspective. I am very pleased to see that the RDX will retain physical controls for HVAC and most audio controls can be engaged from steering wheel. The less time your eyes are off the road, the better IMHO.

Rocket_man

The problem with your comparison and the logic is that the transmission in the TLX is far different than the transmission in the 17 RDX. That is the delay you are sensing. It has nothing to do with the way you make the input to the transmission. The 10-speed in the 19 RDX will not have a direct mechanical link even if there is a stick. The stick is just another form of a button. The amount of time it takes for the transmission to shift would be the same regardless. I hate the way my 15 TLX shifts. It is slower than most transmissions I've driven, but a stick wouldn't make it go any faster. I can manipulate the buttons faster, I still have to allow the transmission to shift. Too many moving parts in the 9ZF.

Madd Dog

RDX10

RDX10

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Hey Rocket man.....hope you are having a good day. And I seriously mean that. I appreciate the "basically respectful" back and forth of our opinions. You know, I'm sure, that truly getting across what we mean when we write is so very
hard. I know the trans in the TLX, 9 speed, is different than my RDX..6 speed. Geez, man haven't you read my background? I'm not "sensing a delay"....there IS a delay when pushing the TLX button from...let's say D to R, or P to D, etc,
etc. That "delay" is NOT the same in fractions of a second compared to moving the shifter arm in the RDX from R to D, or D to R, etc. That's why I can do a 3 point turn in the "shifter arm" 6 speed RDX vs a "push button trans like my 9
speed TLX. The response time with the arm shifted 6 speed is just quicker to make happen that pushing a button and waiting for the trans delay time. It's NOT forever...I get that...but, it IS slower and delayed.

I know the 10 speed will not have what you wrote. I KNOW these things. The 9 speed and the 10 speed are not all that different. Gear ratios, one more gear, etc. Operated how???....Push a damn button. Now the early 9 speed you
may have lots more experience in how screwed up it was/is...than I do. I KNOW this. My '18 TLX 9 speed is great!! Let it go in "Sport Mode" while in Drive and it's a great shifter and quick!

Here's a quick fun story. Happened today. I was driving the TLX and came behind a BMW 335. I guess he looked back, saw my car and wanted to "prove?" that his was better??....anyway, he took off very hot...and I immediately went
in to my "oh no you don't mode....LOL".....we happened to have a right hand turn that was a curved flow into traffic type turn. We had the green light. So, he takes off like a rocket. I'm in Sport Mode.....and nailed it. That Sh-Awd TLX
flew around that right hand curved turn and....remember he got the jump...but, I was right on his bumper in a flash. He probably then went..." hmmm...what IS that, and he pushed his Beemer even harder. And, so I put more throttle in
and was right on his butt. He just couldn't get away. Then we were both going to do another right turn...had the green light and he FLEW around that turn...had lots of room...and I nailed it...and let that trans and quick steering and
drive system take me on a wild ride....I flew up to him and.....AGAIN...right on his butt. LOL!!! Lucky I'm not in jail! DON"T try this at home kids!! LOL!!! But, it was fun....and my TLX is amazing on fast tight turns....it just stays flat and
flies around those curves. I must say it reminded me of my Saleen Mustang that cornered so flat and had tight steering.

Now, I know what quick, fast, etc, is. The TLX is NOT a super fast hot rod....but, that Beemer guy got shown that his 335 didn't have it to outrun me. I've owned Corvettes, Supra Turbos, Saleen Mustang, Cobra Mustangs....so I know
what hauling butt is like. Anyway.....I digress......

Curious3GTL

Yes, you can, but no it's not as easy. Tt's the same process if you can't get the car into "on" mode as the buttons don't work without power. Basically you have to pop the hood and release some switch on the transmission.

HotRodW

That was a serious problem when BMW introduced their joystick e-shifter. Many tow truck drivers hadn't a clue how to get the car in neutral if the car had no power. It's going back a few years, but I vaguely remember a story about one particular owner who had his/her disabled AWD BMW dragged onto the flatbed while in park with a dead battery. It was BMW's roadside assistance that did it, and as the story went, BMW replaced the entire car.

ZipSpeed

Okay, fair enough. But it's all semantics at the end. We are arguing about a transmission that doesn't have a direct mechanical link to the transmission whether you use buttons or a lever. All Acura models moving forward will be of this type. If that electronic lever dies, you have the same issue with being able to put the vehicle into neutral. As Curious3GTL mentioned, you can use a tool to put the vehicle into neutral. I remember reading this in my BMW and Acura owners manual. Most people in the end wouldn't bother with the tool anyway, and they'll end up just towing the vehicle to the dealer.

As for the debate of buttons vs lever, humans are inherently comfortable with familiarity. But in this day and age where manufacturers are looking to distance themselves from others, you'll see more and more design risks whether its buttons or dials. Some levers don't play by the rules either. BMW levers (at least on the 2011 X3 I had) pushed up for reverse, down for neutral and drive, and a button for park. Hardly intuitive (especially for my wife and probably the biggest reason she didn't like to drive it), but as with many things in life, you eventually adapt and no longer have to think twice. That's the same with my TLX, but at least its arranged in the P-R-N-D order that most people are familiar with. It took a bit of trial and error in the beginning, but now I do this kind of weird claw and like a traditional lever, I no longer have to look and can shift just as fast. People can be stubborn, but as a species, we also adapt when we have to. If we didn't, we wouldn't be at the top of the food chain in the evolutionary chain.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

No comment. Error in reading. My bad.

Rocket_man

I think we are somewhat in agreement... "fly by wire" is just not the same as a direct manipulation of the gears. I also expect the RDX has syncros in the gearbox that makes shifts the way we all remember for so many years, you were actually changing gears with the stick. I'm not sure how long those types of transmissions will stick around. De-mating the stick from the transmission lets the manufacturer put the tranny anyplace under the hood they want. I don't like the 9ZF. Your 18 model is better than my 15 model. I hate the way it shifts. But that is a 'feature' of the transmission, not the buttons.

I remember the crash of an Airbus A320 on a demo flight in 1988. I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about. The plane was one of the first fly by wire commercial aircraft. The pilot was making a low flight, he commanded the throttle forward to pick up speed and the flight computer decided 'nope, don't want to do that' and the plane flew right into the ground. People were killed. I kind of feel that way sometime, many times, when I'm driving my TLX. And those slow shifts are not even using the buttons, that is just the crappy design of the 9ZF.

Regardless of that, I'm pretty certain that this 10-speed tranny will be in many Acura cars. The RDX may be the first but not the last. That will be shift by wire as well. I hear it does much better than the 9ZF. Whether there are buttons or a stick won't matter if I want to buy the car. If it has buttons I'll be happy with it.

Peace.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

I distinctly remember when "fly by wire" fighter jets first came out....the F16. It was tested for a long time in the Nevada test range. MANY were crashed. Many pilots had a hell of a time trying to fly that thing....actually some still do.
Many F16's have been crashed due to pilot error. I spoke to guys that were there during the testing days. There are quite a few F16's in the lake there!!!

I remember something about that Airbus. I was thinking it was on auto pilot and the pilot forgot and tried to use the throttles....and never figured out he needed to disengage the auto pilot. Not sure if that is the same one, but, there
was one like that scenario.

Yep, now it's all solenoids causing a mechanical action. The Gen 2 RDX's have a traditional "Control Wire (cable) that controls the trans. The only "electrical thing" is the "Shift Lock Solenoid." That's activated when you put your foot
on the brake pedal and then you can take the trans out of Park and move the shifter where you want. But, I've had many of the Honda Motor Corp. 6 speed trannies and I like them. Always been great.

Yes, I know on the newer ones it's the "trans and not the buttons." But, my point is...after pushing the buttons there is more time delay before a gear is totally activated vs. the Gen 2 RDX trans. I have both now. I know, feel, see the
difference in the two. My '17 RDX and my '18 TLX. And yes, my 9 speed has been great so far.

By the way...that 10 speed tranny is not new to Honda Motor Corp. That's what the 2.0 turbo Accord uses. Acura is just using a trans it already has out there, just tweaked for the RDX. Motor Trend likes it a lot. Smooth, quick shifting,
and helps the new turbo 2.0 engine be more linear....little turbo lag at all....they say.

TxLady

dcmod

Drinking while driving is not advisable in any vehicles ... So holding a Starbucks should not count .. I am pretty sure the Acura engineers does not take into account holding your drink while operating the touchpad in their design ... Should be able to drive and operate the touchpad though

MrJames

The cup holders occupy the right half (little over half actually) of the center console. The left side holds your phone and includes a USB port so you may be able to keep your arm on the left half of the console.

windycitycy

Can someone post a photo showing the cup holders

windycitycy

I was able to screen capture this. Doesn't look like the cups will really be in the way.

windycitycy

windycitycy

I can't seem to post an image.

Andy123az

Here are my negative points for this car.

- No power tilt/telescope steering wheel linked with seat memory
- No power folding mirrors
- No mention of wireless charging
- No spare tire
- Wheels on the Advanced trim level
- Possibly a lack of an automatic parking brake feature that engages the parking brake when shifting to "park".

chickdr

Why would one want this?

Andy123az

chickdr

An automatic parking brake is "expected"??? I would much rather decide myself if I want the parking brake on, or not. Way too much automation in cars these days. I don't even like the electronic parking brakes we are seeing.

chickdr

Another negative to me is the lack of standard roof rails. At this price, the rails should at least be standard. I get the cross bars and other parts being optional as there are so many options but if the rails were there on all cars, even if one didn't know they needed them initially, they would be there to easily add the other options later. To add the rails and cross bars to our 16 was well over 1k. The CR-V at the time had the rails standard at a much lower MSRP.....

HotRodW

I disagree. I think Acura is doing the right thing with the roof rails. Nothing should be standard that only a small percentage of owners actually use, plus there's the potential wind noise factor and increased cd. I also disagree with the mandatory pano roof. Go ahead and make it optional for those that want it, but I don't like that it's standard equipment. I do, however, think standard spare tires are still a good idea on any car.

RDX10

idgystinks

Hey all, I drive a 2018 Accord Sport 2.0T with the buttons. Odd on day one but now second nature. Not as odd as the Dodge Ram dial knob in our work truck fleet.
Cupholders in Accord are quite deep as well. Just use the best cup to fit it. 2.0T is a nice engine.

Froid

For all the peeps lamenting the push-button shifter: am I the only one to occasionally press one of the climate control buttons while shifting into park?
Only about thirty times over my five years of ownership...but who's counting? lol And my hands are average size; makes me wonder about people with giant paws.
So, yes, that push-button feature looks like a winner to me.